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Mother of OSU attacker: Son killed for 'no reason'
Columbus Dispatch ^ | 12/4/16 | Beth Burger

Posted on 12/04/2016 4:38:00 PM PST by 198ml

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To: HartleyMBaldwin; 198ml
And another thing...why isn't she wall to wall coverage on interviews since she's so sure her son did nothing wrong?
I'm sure the networks can find a translator for an interview.
41 posted on 12/04/2016 5:36:21 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
It’s posted, by 198ml, right above all these comments.

Really? Doesn't the article state that somebody else said something she is supposed to have said?

Are those words her words? NO, it's the words of somebody else saying "she said this".

HEARSAY!

42 posted on 12/04/2016 5:41:29 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: 198ml; All

People, you need to understand that under Sharia a Muslim who kills non-believers is considered differently than anyone who kills a Muslim.

A Muslim may only be killed for a specific number of causes under Sharia ... and defending the lives of non-believers, or even your own life, is NOT one of them (unless, of course, you are Muslim).

This is not a trivial matter with Islam. Major Hasan, the Fort Hood shooter, was deathly concerned that he might be inadvertently involved in the death of another Muslim (apart from the specific circumstances that Sharia permits) if he deployed and he tried to alert his superiors to the conflict. Why? Because for a Muslim to kill another without right is a one way ticket to Hell.

He “became militant”, which is really a misnomer because all he was doing all along was taking his faith and Sharia Law seriously, because of this.

Which is to say that he was a ticking time bomb should he ever be pushed into circumstances that would set him off.

You may note that he was actually far more ethical a Muslim than the Muslims running amuck in Iraq who were going around killing all sorts of Muslims without right. He was not a morally bad man as he understood morally bad men to be. He was trying to be a morally upright Muslim and THAT is the problem.

This momma is making a statement in line with what Islam teaches her, in line with the way that the OIC defines many terms (which when people ignore or are ignorant of those definitions that they use are misled to think that they mean one thing when they may mean something entirely different) and THAT is the problem.

Islam cannot be reformed. It is law, government and religious commandment inseparably. Anyone who thinks it’s only the last is just fooling themselves.


43 posted on 12/04/2016 5:44:43 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne
This momma is making a statement...

What statement? In this article the words are from someone else! The woman herself isn't quoted, someone else is saying "these are her words".

That's hearsay, not a statement!

44 posted on 12/04/2016 5:51:19 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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Fine, it is a statement that she is claimed to have made that is in line with Sharia law.

So SOMEONE is making a statement in line with Sharia no matter what hairs you wish to split.


45 posted on 12/04/2016 5:54:00 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: 198ml

All the islamists need to be deported. The ideology is not compatible with the US Constitution.


46 posted on 12/04/2016 5:56:53 PM PST by Lopeover (The 2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States!)
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To: Rurudyne
So SOMEONE is making a statement in line with Sharia...

So that makes the son's actions okay since he followed Sharia law?
You didn't say anything outright so I thought I would ask.

47 posted on 12/04/2016 5:58:40 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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Sure, whatever you say. You’re obviously trying to pick a quarrel, and I’m not going to play along. I know how to read quotation marks, even when it’s a quote-within-a-quote situation, and I don’t accuse people of misquoting other people without a reason.

And I don’t care the tiniest bit if it’s hearsay. This is not a court of law.


48 posted on 12/04/2016 6:04:25 PM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
This is not a court of law.

The same rules apply.

49 posted on 12/04/2016 6:07:29 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: 198ml

Deport the entire extended family. Now. And thoroughly investigate all their friends and associates.


50 posted on 12/04/2016 6:20:39 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: philman_36

If you read my first post I would hope you’d see my position on his actions.

But since you want me to spell it out: under Sharia Law he may well have imagined that he had moral and ethical justification for his actions.

THAT is the problem.

It stems from Islam itself.

Militant Muslims are frequently not trying to be bad people, they are often trying to be the best Muslims that they can be. So at a minimum their insanity and evil comes from what they seek to obey.

THAT is the problem.

Ultimately you cannot live with Islam.

You either defeat it or it will defeat you. That is 14 centuries worth of wisdom that waaaaay too many in the West cannot seem to admit or want to admit.

Now, I’ll grant you that you were right to say I should be more precise in what I write.

So here I’ll lay it down: we live in a society that has come to hold that tolerance and inclusiveness are virtuous in and of themselves and the result, when combined with things like the fact that same society has essentially lost its itty bitty mind over sex and come to confuse the whole of the pursuit of happiness with its libertine and licentious excesses (not just sex, but that’s a big part of it), is a society given over to evils of all sorts that nevertheless still goes about patting itself on the back, that it’s soooooo nice and understanding and not at all mean (though it routinely murders its own posterity).

And against this popular culture that is insane and morally bankrupt to an ever greater degree is another culture where people are trying to be good Muslims the way their prophet was.

We are in a war between civilizations wedged between the too wicked and stupid to live and those trying to be good in light of a law sourced from Satan’s kingdom.


51 posted on 12/04/2016 6:21:37 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: 198ml

Clear example of why the only way to get rid of cockroaches is total mass extermination...


52 posted on 12/04/2016 6:26:41 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: philman_36

Fine, same rules apply, and I just can’t remember taking an oath before being allowed to post a comment.

Sleep it off.


53 posted on 12/04/2016 6:35:52 PM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: 198ml

She should feel shame for having a son do such dispicable acts. She should also feel shame for her own culpability in raising him that way. There’s always good reason to kill a murderer of innocents.


54 posted on 12/04/2016 7:06:55 PM PST by Crucial
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A simple yes or no will suffice...

So that makes the son's actions okay since he followed Sharia law?

And against this popular culture that is insane and morally bankrupt to an ever greater degree is another culture where people are trying to be good Muslims the way their prophet was.

Their prophet, a murderous pedophile, is a good Muslim?

55 posted on 12/04/2016 7:56:00 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
...I just can’t remember taking an oath before being allowed to post a comment.

How trite.

"Did you eat the cookies?"

"NO!"

Does your child take an oath before answering you?

56 posted on 12/04/2016 8:02:49 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: Rurudyne

Excellent points. As someone who has lived in the Muslim world, I can attest to the madness that grips their minds, which is incomprehensible to the Western mindset.


57 posted on 12/04/2016 9:58:52 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: philman_36

If you do not understand my opinion of Islam and those who try to be a “good Muslim” under Sharia Law with respect to jihad from those posts it’s likely not a matter of “cannot” but “won’t”.

Christ told Pilate that His Kingdom was not of this world in order to explain why His disciples weren’t fighting. Earlier He’d rebuked some of His disciples who asked if they should bring fire down from heaven on a town that had not received them. You just don’t find either Christ or the Apostles ever indicating to us that we have personal license to take it upon ourselves to do something bad to those whom we figure displease Him.

If we follow His example we are only doing as we ought to, and have nothing to brag about before Him.

By contrast Mohammad’s spiritual daddy’s kingdom is only in this world, and it is soon to be utterly destroyed at Christ’s return; but, it being of this world explains why his “prophet” went out killing, thieving, and looting from the moment he had enough troops to put the hurt on his relatively innocent (in human terms) neighbors. The war they are called to is both between groups (ultimately nations) and personal (for unlike the actual Scriptures, Islam gives some license to those who want to personally wage war in its name).

Yeah, Mohammad was utter scum ... and his example is what constitutes being a good Muslim.

But don’t think I’m gonna say those who follow Mohammad are necessarily madmen, insane or devoid of intelligence and reason. If they were all that they would be less dangerous to us, not more. Indeed, many of those defining the terms that inform jihad are Islam’s best and brightest, coming from the most important educational centers with the best degrees. This is not just those in the OIC but even extends to many of the leadership among those actually doing the fighting. These are sober people who frequently have a fair estimation of our capabilities.

There’s this concept of a “threat doctrine”, where you build an accurate understanding of an opponent in order to be able to anticipate what they may do. Rather than proverbially flap my gums about building this threat doctrine let me point you to video series by a guy who actually has credentials ... it’s very interesting stuff and here’s the first in the series:

https://youtu.be/nhZe7eZK4dw


58 posted on 12/04/2016 10:11:53 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: 198ml

This mother is an ass.


59 posted on 12/04/2016 10:30:41 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?.)
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To: 198ml

He was a good little Muslim and learned all the verses in the Koran about killing infidels and hating Jews. He became very pius after listening to those sermons about waging jihad and getting 72 virgins in heaven if he committed mass murder in Allah’s name. I am sure he is enjoying that heavenly reward dying as soldier of Allah too bad he didn’t succeed in killing those dirty kafirs.


60 posted on 12/05/2016 2:18:42 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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