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To: DoughtyOne
I'm not standing up for Putin, but...

Russia was promised that NATO would not expand eastward. So now Poland, and the Baltic states, all former Russian "allies" are full NATO members. NATO troops and aircraft are now stationed in these countries.

The US has spent eight years manipulating events in the Ukraine, formerly a province of Russia. What if California leaves the union and Russia starts to interfere directly politically? What would the US response be? I don't like communists, but ask yourself, if you were Putin how would you have reacted to eight years of Obama/Hillary/Kerry et al?

As for this incursion, it happens all the time. His air force is training and they want to gather information on RAF responses. Standard cold war stuff.

10 posted on 02/09/2017 12:52:24 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (We live in interesting times)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I view those nations as former occupied territory. They were part of the U.S.S.R., and hardly by choice. The moment a choice was available, they chose their own destiny and asserted their independence.

Poland, Czechoslovakia... these weren’t what I would call allies in the conventional sense. Look at the uprisings in them and how the U.S.S.R. reacted.

I think there’s obviously some truth in what you say there about NATO and these countries, viewing it from the Russian perspective. What Russia forgets is that these nations spent decades under submission to soviet rule and iron handed domination. Certainly Russia can’t claim not to understand them being somewhat leery of another strong man dictator type.

Putin is reaping the byproduct of his braggadocio. It’s part of the reason why I am glad Trump hasn’t displayed his own brand toward Putin.

I’m hoping they’ll get together, Trump will assure him the U.S. would not be part of an offensive move against Russia, and Putin could relax a little.

These long rang bomber runs were part of the cold war. We’ll they are back. There’s no need for it. Putin is supposed to be a brillaint man.

For a brilliant guy he’s sure missing the forest for the trees.

He knows damn sell we’re not going to invade. On the other hand, he has.

Your note about California is correct. How will we like it if Russia sets up a base there?

It’s a realistic question. Some of the mindless folks on this forum are able to plan only one move on the chess-board at a time. That is evident. Sadly.


15 posted on 02/09/2017 1:13:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (NeverTrump, a movement that was revealed to be a movement. Thank heaven we flushed!)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

And if you were standing up for Putin, you couldn’t be a better quisling apologist. Let Ukraine be free. And keep in mind the USA doesn’t send it’s jets to intrude into Canada’s airspace unless we’re on joint exercises.


18 posted on 02/09/2017 1:26:46 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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