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Morning Joe: Syria was Obama's 'Defining Moment' and 'History Going to be Rough'
Legal Insurrection ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 04/10/2017 7:31:54 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

Surprising consensus on today's Morning Joe that Barack Obama blew it bigly in Syria by punting on his redline. Even Obama fan Mike Barnicle admitted, "Syria was a serious mistake that the Obama administration made." Foreign policy honcho Richard Haass said "history's going to be rough on this. This is going to be the defining moment for the Obama presidency."

It wasn't just the panel that trashed Obama's mishandling of Syria. Joe Scarborough noted that not only did leading Dems like John Kerry and Hillary quickly come out in support of Trump's strikes, but that Dems were saying things that were "almost disloyal to Barack Obama, saying we could have never moved this quickly."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Syria
KEYWORDS: barackobama; morningjoe; redline; syriastrikes
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To: GOPJ; ExTexasRedhead; Jane Long; MinuteGal; jsanders2001; V K Lee; HarleyLady27; ...
..... history will see Libya as an even more egregious betrayal by Obama. At the time Libya was a US ally in our nations fight against Islamo-fascism. Obama lead a coalition which destroyed the 8th wonder of world, the greening of the Southern Desert of Libya, by the Great Man Made River. The capitol of our Ally, Tripoli, a once vibrant Mediterranean trade center now lies in rubble, and now the Islamo-fascist breed in Libya, and travel down into the heart of Africa to spread their killing of innocents in the name of Allah. Just as Obama intended........(hat tip candor7)

And if that scenario is NOT in his 60 million Penguin book deal, demand to know why.

Contact consumerservices@penguinrandomhouse.com

21 posted on 04/10/2017 8:14:08 AM PDT by Liz
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To: HamiltonJay

OBAMA COMPLETELY FAILED

Nuff said.


22 posted on 04/10/2017 8:20:03 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Liz

Rice is right out of the mold of Joseph Goebbels.

I have learned to detest these liberal FASCISTS.

Good read:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


23 posted on 04/10/2017 8:29:02 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Mr. Lucky

I don’t dispute that. He is also a good person. But as President he suffered from the same malady as Obama: He thought he was smarter than everybody else and allowed a massive decline in the strength and preparedness of our military in addition to an unwillingness to use it . . . then came Reagan.


24 posted on 04/10/2017 8:33:38 AM PDT by t4texas
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Regime change in Libya was right up there...along with that Russian reset.


25 posted on 04/10/2017 8:41:44 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ('You can avoid reality, but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: Candor7

Thanks for the link........Rice’s cutie smile hides her horrific agenda.


26 posted on 04/10/2017 9:02:41 AM PDT by Liz
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To: treetopsandroofs

So- What category does he put BENGHAZI into???


27 posted on 04/10/2017 10:28:42 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

“So- What category does he put BENGHAZI into???”

A “disgusting” youtube video — “dude, like years ago” — will be all HE remembers....


28 posted on 04/10/2017 10:31:59 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: ridesthemiles; Liz

“we can say this now, they are all out of office...”

Just like these sobs. Not one word was leaked or spread of any staff dissension on Syria or Benghazi, because the group was so small. Not so small that Joe and Mika did not know about it, but did they say a word? No.

Now comes Trump, and every utterance is leaked and immediately shared, especially by Joe and Mika, who will not give Trump a break on anything, pummeling his staff night and day, pushing the Kerchner view against everything else, whether it’s truth or fiction.

Morning Joe want an implosion among Trump staff. They don’t care who survives and hope no one does. The show has the ear of the Beltway and poses a danger to Trump’s presidency.


29 posted on 04/10/2017 4:41:07 PM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Education/Acad emi are the farm team for more Marxists coming... infinitum.)
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To: Candor7

copied and pasted here the portion of the article now blacked out with images removed...

https://thesantosrepublic.com/2011/07/15/greed-over-libyan-secret-treasure-blue-gold/

The Great Man-Made River of Libya. The world’s biggest effort to reclaim deposits of fossil water is the Great Man-Made River in Libya, for which Gaddafi has spent $30 billion over the past three decades building for his people and given as a gift to the Third World without any financial or help from the USA, World Bank or IMF.

Libya‘s 95% desert land is habitable because of this 1,200 miles of high quality vast reservoirs of fossil water, with 1,500 wells pumping as much as 1.7 billion gallons (6.5 million cubic meters) of fresh water each day from the Sahara to cities on the Mediterranean coast— some of them 75,000 years old — which were discovered in the form of aquifers during the 1950s oil explorationsdeep in the southern Libyan desert.

The Gaddafi Vision. Muammar Gaddafi and his Great Man-Made River Project was launched in the 1980s – an epic system of pipes, reservoirs, and engineering infrastructure is still being built. When finished, it will pump from circa 1,300 paleowater wells and move 230 million cubic feet (6.5 million cubic meters) of H2O every day. Construction of the first phase started in 1984,

False-color image of the Grand Omar Mukhtar reservoir project. Water (dark blue) residing in reservoirs appears twice in this image, in the upper right and at the bottom. Vegetation appears red, cityscape structures such as pavement and buildings appear in grey, bare ground appears tan or beige.

and cost about $5 billion. Gaddafi spent $30 billion (USD) – all of which solely paid for by the Libyan sovereign wealth fund.

Gaddafi and the Libyan Arab people’s aim and vision for this project: To make Libya a source of agricultural abundance, capable of producing adequate food and water to supply its own needs and to share with neighboring countries. In short, self-sufficiency for Libya.

The Great Man-Made River, is the largest water transport project ever undertaken in the world, and has been described as the “eighth wonder of the world”. There are four major underground basins: The Kufra basin, the Sirt basin, the Morzuk basin and the Hamada basin. The first three contains combined reserves of 35,000 cubic kilometers of water. It carries more than five million cubic meters of water per day across the desert to coastal areas, vastly increasing the amount of arable land. The estimate amount of water in the Nile River? 200 years. Thus, the vast reserves offer almost unlimited amounts of water for the Libyan people, which also can be shared to the Middle East and Africa.

The Western Business Multi-Agendas. Virtually unknown to the world, this incredibly huge and impressive Gaddafi and Libya water project rivals and surpasses all the greatest development projects by so-called “advanced” countries, particularly the West.

London and Washington circles were extremely indignant about the Libyan water project. The London Financial Times ran criticisms of the project from Angus Henley of the London-based Middle East Economic Digest, “Qaddafi’s pet project. He wants to be seen as something other than the scourge of the West.” The Financial Times called the project Qaddafi’s “pipedream,” stating that critics may be awed by the engineering involved, “But they regard the dream as a monument to vanity that makes little economic sense in a country where the U.N. Development Program says 94.6% of territory is desert wasteland.”

That is the official global mass media cosmetic mask version of the naysayers.

The real truth for the apoplectic attack? The West simply refuses to recognize that a small country, with a population no more than six million, can construct anything such awe-inspiring and mind-blowing large project without borrowing a single cent from the international banks. The Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya has liquid cash and owes no debt to any nation nor institution. All due to Gaddafi’s leadership and stewardship of Libyan oil earned assets.

The Great Man-Made River project and its objectives fly in the face of the water-control schemes sanctioned by the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). World Bank, IMF and the U.S. State Department only backs and promotes their politically favored projects like that “Middle East Water Summit” in Turkey, desalination plants in Saudi Arabia and water shortages elsewhere.

A prime example of “great projects” that these institutions have blocked work on is the Jonglei Canal–the huge ditch that was designed as a straight channel on the upper White Nile in southern Sudan. The Jonglei Canal, which stands half-finished and abandoned at present, would have drained swamplands, aided agriculture, transportation, power resources, and health, and provided expanded flow to the Nile River all the way down to Egypt.

Over the last 20 years, the water improvement projects envisioned for Egypt, which could provide more water and more hectares of agricultural and residential land, have been repeatedly sabotaged by the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, and the Anglo-American financial interests behind them.

U.S. also invested $600 million to Jordan in order to tap Jordan’s last primary water reserve, the Disi aquifer, on the border with Saudi Arabia.?Jordan hopes that the country’s large fossil-water resources can help stem its chronic water shortage.?The project envisions a system that can move 3.5 billion cubic feet (99 million cubic meters) of water each year over a mostly uphill, 200-mile-long (320 kilometer-long) stretch from the remote southern desert to the capital city of Amman.

Gaddafi and Libya build their Dream. Libyans are a proud people and no one, who is not a Libyan, tells them what to do. Thus, Gaddafi and the Libyan Arab people went ahead with their dream of self-sufficiency with no care for anyone’s approval, and especially, not the West.

Under the guidance of their “Father” Gaddafi, the people of Libya Arab Jamahiriya, initiated a series of scientific studies on the possibility of accessing this vast ocean of fresh water, i.e. fossil water. Considerations on new agricultural projects close to the sources of the water, in the desert were also simultaneously being developed. However, they realized that the project a very large infrastructure organization and necessitates a major redistribution of the population from the coastal belt. The alternative was to ‘bring the water to the people’.

In October 1983, the Great Man-made River Authority was created and invested with the responsibility of taking water from the aquifers in the south, and conveying it by the most economical and practical means for use, predominantly for irrigation, in the Libyan coastal belt.

South Korean construction experts built the huge pipes in Libya by some of the most modern techniques. The engineering feat involves collecting water from 270 wells in east central Libya, and transporting it through about 2,000 kilometers of pipeline to Benghazi and Sirte. The new “river” brings 2 million cubic meters of water a day. At completion, the system will involve 4,000 kilometers of pipepines, and two aqueducts of some 1,000 kilometers.

By 1996 the Great Man-Made River Project had reached one of its final stages, the gushing forth of sweet unpolluted water to the homes and gardens of the citizens of Libya’s capital Tripoli. A gala inauguration ceremony, marked the end of Phase I of the project, was held in Libya at the end of August, at which Libyan leaders “turned on the tap” of the Great Man-Made River, the water pipeline/viaduct project designed to bring millions of liters of water from beneath the Sahara Desert, northward to the Benghazi region on the Mediterranean coast.

The Great Man-Made River (GMR) is a network of pipes that supplies water to the Sahara Desert in Libya, from the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System fossil aquifer. It is the world’s largest irrigation project. It is the largest underground network of pipes and aqueducts in the world. It consists of more than 1,300 wells, most more than 500 m deep, and supplies 6,500,000 m3 of fresh water per day to the cities of Tripoli, Benghazi, Sirt and elsewhere.

Dozens of Arab and African heads of state and hundreds of other foreign diplomats and delegations joined in celebrating the inauguration of the artificial river, like Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, King Hassan of Morocco, the head of Sudan, Gen. Omar El Beshir, and Djibouti’s President Hassan Julied. Louis Farrakhan, who took part in the opening ceremony, described the Great Man-Made River as “another miracle in the desert.”

Gaddafi presented the project to the cheering crowd as a “gift to the Third World”. Speaking at the inaugural ceremony, addressing an audience that included Libyans and many foreign guests, Col. Gaddafi said, the project “was the biggest answer to America… who accuse us of being concerned with terrorism. After this achievement, American threats against Libya will double…. The United States will make excuses, [but] the real reason is to stop this achievement, to keep the people of Libya oppressed.”

The Miracle’s viable projectiles. Over 95% of Libya is desert, and the new water sources can open up thousands of hectares of irrigated farmland. At present over 80% of the country’s agriculture production comes from the coastal regions, where local aquifers have been overpumped, and salt water intrusion is taking place. The Great Man-Made River will relieve this. The water now flowing will immediately supplement supplies for domestic and industrial needs in Benghazi and Sirte. In this giant scheme, water is pumped from aquifers under the Sahara in the southern part of the country, where underground water resources extend into Egypt and Sudan. Then the water is transported by reinforced concrete pipeline to northern destinations.

Consisting of a network of pipes buried underground to eliminate evaporation, four meters in diameter, the project extends for four thousand kilometres far deep into the desert. All material is locally engineered and manufactured. Underground water is pumped from 270 wells hundreds of meters deep into reservoirs that feed the network. The cost of one cubic meter of water equals 35 cents. The cubic meter of desalinized water is $3.75.

Libyan officials plan for 80% of the overall project’s flow to eventually be used for irrigating old farms, and reclaiming some desert lands. Since 20% of Libya’s imports are foodstuffs, expanded water supplies are a means to greater self-sufficiency.

Gaddafi and the Neighborly issues. Mubarak spoke at the 1996 Great Man-Made River Inaugural ceremony and stressed the regional importance of the project. Gaddafi called on Egyptian farmers to come and work in Libya, where there are only 4 million inhabitants at the time. Egypt’s population of 55 million is crowded in narrow bands along the Nile River and delta region.

In the 1970s, Qaddafi expelled many Egyptian families from Libya, but over the recent years the two countries have become close once again. There were plans to build a railway line to facilitate the two nations travel back and forth. There was also a standing commission plans between Sudan and Libya for integrating economic activity.

But even with that 1,800 miles of giant hydrological enterprise in operation, Libya still depends on foreign markets for three-quarters of its grain. To make his desert nation self-sufficient in food, Gaddafi made some long-term deals with nearby countries to grow food for Libya.

The Western African state of Mali has become dependent on Libya for aid and investment, funding its government buildings, hotels, and other high-profile infrastructure. Thus, a secret deal was struck between Mali’s president, Amadou Toumani Toure, and Libya’s Colonel Gaddafi became the solution to enhance Libyan food security by receiving 50 years worth of undisclosed rights, paid by the Libya Africa Portfolio Fund for Investment. Libyan-controlled organization called Malibya oversees the Libyan enterprise: A canal stretching 25 miles north from the River Niger to 250,000 acres of proposed irrigated land at the edge of the marshes, to divert large amounts of Niger River water for extensive irrigation upstream. It was dug in 2010 by Chinese contractors, who are now preparing the first 15,000 acres of fields.

The scale of the project is astounding. The director general of Malibya, Abdalilah Youssef, boasted in 2008 that the canal could supply up to 4 cubic kilometers of water a year to the enterprise’s fields of rice, tomatoes, and fodder crops for cattle. The current take for all other existing irrigation projects is 2.7 cubic kilometers a year, it grabs as much as 210 cubic meters a second, potentially more than doubling the amount of water taken from the river for irrigation.

Larger than Belgium, it is Africa’s second-largest floodplain and one of its most unique wetlands. Seen from space, it is an immense smudge of green and blue on the edge of the Sahara.

It will dry the Niger river that feeds the inland delta, diminishing the seasonal floods that support rich biodiversity — and thriving agriculture and fisheries vital to a million of Mali’s poorest citizens. The inland Niger delta of Mali is a unique wetland ecosystem that supports a million farmers, fishermen, and herders and a rich diversity of wildlife. It nurtures abundant fish for the Bozo people, who lay their nets in every waterway and across the lakes. As the waters recede, they leave wet soils in which the Bambara people plant millet and rice, and they expose vast aquatic pastures of bourgou (or hippo grass) that sustain cattle and goats brought by nomadic Fulani herders from as far away as Mauritania and Burkina Faso. The rights to harvest the delta’s fish and graze pastures are based on long-standing custom neither known nor recognized beyond its borders.

“More people will lose than win from most irrigation projects in Mali. These projects will decrease food security by damaging the livelihoods of those most vulnerable. What they are trying to do at the moment makes no sense because there is simply not enough water.”

Jane Madgwick, CEO of Netherlands-based Wetlands International

engineers at the Office du Niger — an agency created by presidential fiat to develop land upstream of the inner Niger delta — admit they are struggling to maintain the minimum flow of 40 cubic meters a second down the Niger to the delta during the dry season, when an estimated 70 percent of river flow goes to farms rather than the wetland. The effects of taking more could be catastrophic on the floating forests and bourgou pastures at the heart of the delta’s ecosystems and human livelihoods.

A vital green resource for both humans and wildlife on the edge of the Sahara, the delta is a wintering ground for millions of migrating European birds and is vital to the flow of the Niger River and its fisheries. All this is threatened by the Libyan project. For example, planned dams and diversions will reduce the growth of the important bourgou grasses by almost two-thirds, according to a study by Leo Zwarts, a water management expert...

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30 posted on 04/10/2017 6:17:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

Great Post Fred. Obama’s greatest crime was the destruction of this Great Man Made River, a wonder of humanity and growth moptivated by the highest of human ideals.

The killing of Gadaffi , a US ally, and the destruction of the aquifer project are Obama’s greatest sins. I believe it is a war crime.Obama destroyed Africa’s ability to feed itself, the act of one who is demon spawn, hardly what a genuine Nobel Peace Prize winner would do. The Nobel Committee should make the ba$tard give it back.


31 posted on 04/10/2017 7:17:46 PM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: HamiltonJay

Yes, but you got to stop calling him a moron. Everything he did was calculated to undermine America’s strength and to lift up Muslim dominance across the globe...and he did with a complicit libtard electorate and media.

NOTHING he did was moronic, once you accept the fact that his actions were calculated and almost completely successful. And to paint him as a moron is to provide cover that his actions were anything other than treason.


32 posted on 04/11/2017 4:35:19 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost ("Just look at the flowers, Lizzie. Just look at the flowers.")
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To: t4texas

As breathtakingly incompetent as Jimmy Carter was, he didn’t hate his country. That distinguishes him from Barack Obama.


33 posted on 04/11/2017 5:59:12 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

Who and what a president is as a person is one thing. How effective AS president quite another. The main difference between the presidencies of Carter and Obama is that Carter served for one term and Obama was two terms.

Also there is this:

Jimmy Carter’s 2016 New Years Resolution Comes True
12/30/2016, 11:07:51 AM · by EQAndyBuzz · 12 replies
Self | 12/30/2016 | EQAndyBuzz
On January 1, 2016, Jimmy Carter sat at his kitchen table and made his New Years resolution. His resolution was, “2016 will be the year I am no longer listed as the worst President in American history”


34 posted on 04/11/2017 6:22:58 AM PDT by t4texas
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