Posted on 05/01/2017 1:52:30 PM PDT by detective
Twitter went wild on Monday morning over President Trump’s comments in praise of slave owner Andrew Jackson, and his declaration that the seventh president of the United States would have prevented the Civil War. “Why was there the Civil War?” Trump even asked. Jackson died 16 years before the Civil War started. His term as president ended 24 years before the war kicked off.
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Jefferson Davis was not the brightest on the block. His army in Kentucky was split three ways with 3 generals independently in charge; reporting to no one. They did not have an objective.
Heaven help us had the south won. And, I am a southerner.
my great grandfather was surrendered at Vicksburg
he then walked home
Through compromise, the country was able to stave off war for 40 years.”
I think the whole idea that the Civil War was inevitable because of slavery is wrong.
Slavery was legal in the Northern states and very gradually discontinued. It was still legal in several Northern states in 1860 but not for new slaves.
There was almost no desire to end slavery in the deep south.
The Kansas Nebraska Act which meant to create a slave based economy in the Midwest and the west caused the establishment of the Republican Party in Wisconsin 1854. Its base was primarily Midwestern farmers and tradesmen who did not want a slave based economy in the Midwest or the west.
The secession was planned and organized before the election of Lincoln. Groups like the Knights of the Golden Circle and others planned for secession in the early 1850s.
“It was forced through the confederate states by a small group of Democrat Party activists.”
A “small group” can’t get that many state legislatures to vote in the majority for their proposals.
Best summation of those events I have ever seen. Thank you!
Only in cyber land.
You are correct. Media attacks come no matter what. Trump continues to rule these people’s minds.
You might be surprised by what's possible with enough propaganda and panic. Some state conventions rejected secession, then voted for it. At least one state was supposed to have a referendum on secession and didn't.
I suppose support for secession in most of the Confederate states was stronger than support for remaining with the union, but tactics and timing had a lot to do with shaping the public mood and making events happen.
Great history info!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3549191/posts?page=1#1
Gotta ping this one out!!!
This is an excellent book (posthumous Pulitzer Prize) on the long run up to the Civil War:
The Impending Crisis, 1848-1861 by David M. Potter
The book is available at Amazon for as little as $9.00 used:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061319295/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
A lot of reviews on the Amazon website, so I won’t repeat them here.
Instead of 1832, Professor Potter begins with the US victory over Mexico in 1848 because of the effect that adding so much new territory to the southwestern United States had on fanning the already smoldering Free State/Slave State political powder keg into full flame. But, be warned, this is a book about events leading up to the Civil War. The war itself is only briefly mentioned in a scant few paragraphs on the last two pages of the book.
I have yet to see a decent treatment of the state militia movement in the years prior to the war. It was critical - especially for the South - in getting forces into the field quickly and was the mechanism by which many units were raised, trained, and equipped in the 1861-1863 time period.
Well that’s a distinction without any real difference in the case of 1776.
Insurrections are a revolt against the civil authority, usually with the intent of seizing control of the gov’t. The Colonials weren’t interested in seizing control of King George’s gov’t, they just intended to separate from it. And separation is the definition of secession.
“A “small group” can’t get that many state legislatures to vote in the majority for their proposals.”
The states that made up the confederacy had one party Democrat controlled legislatures that were actually run by a very small group of people.
The votes were all very quick. The secessionists were organized. There were no public debate or popular vote.
Virginia originally refused to join the secessionists.
Many southerners were not in favor of secession but went along due to the threat of war.
By early 1865, the secessionist politicians were extremely unpopular in the confederate states.
“A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.”
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery— the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.
The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.
The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.
The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.
It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.
It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.
It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.
It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.
It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.
It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.
It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.
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http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html
“This is an excellent book (posthumous Pulitzer Prize) on the long run up to the Civil War:
The Impending Crisis, 1848-1861 by David M. Potter”
I have read it. It is a very good book.
Read about the Knights of the Golden Circle. It provides a great deal of insight into the cause of the Civil War.
Also read The Road to Disunion: Volume II: Secessionists Triumphant, 1854-1861 by William Freehling.
The rebels of 1861 lost.
"I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the Civil War."
The King George side finally won one.
The good guys won both.
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines” to quote one eminent Yankee scribbler.
Very nice, but you left out the name of the one person most responsible for the civil war. Hint: who was the Al Gore of 1860?
Hint2: Who was President Buchanan’s Vice President?
How is John C. Breckinridge the single person most responsible for the Civil War?
1: Breckinridge split the democrat party into two parties.
- Instead of going into the 1860 election united, and thereby easily improving their performance in the election and maintaining their National dominance, the democrats split into 2 parties. Douglas leading the Northern faction and the original party. Breckinridge leading the Southern faction and splitting States. A good leader here would have United the party knowing that a split party spelt electoral doom.
2: Breckenridge won the southern states. Every one of Breckenridges strong states would soon secede. A strong leader would have convinced his followers to remain in the Union and engaged in a more measured method of secession.
3: Breckenridge next got appointed to the US Senate. He did not use his leadership position in the Senate to preserve the Union. Eventually, he gets expelled for treason and becomes a general with the Confederates.
Side point: Breckenridge did not make a good general. He loses his attack on Baton Rouge.
4: Eventually Breckenridge becomes Secretary of War for the Confederates. He tried to help the Confederate government escape, but loses them to Union troops. However, he escapes and flees the country.
This one man, had he not been a traitor, was in the best, most influential, position of any in the Democrat party.
He was the Al Gore of his day, but instead of a legal challenge, he instigated a civil war while pretending to be otherwise.
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