I Never Knew That Abraham Lincoln Ordered The Largest MASS HANGING IN US HISTORY, Or Why He Did It

The Daily Check ^ | May 29, 2017

[plain talk]

People think that Abe Lincoln was such a benevolent President. He was actually a bit of a tyrant. He attacked the Confederate States of America, who seceded from the Union due to tax and tariffs. (If you think it was over slavery, you need to find a real American history book written before 1960.)

This picture is of 38 Santee Sioux Indian men that were ordered to be executed by Abraham Lincoln for treaty violations (IE: hunting off of their assigned reservation).

So, on December 26, 1862, the “Great Emancipator” ordered the largest mass execution in American History, where the guilt of those to be executed was entirely in doubt. Regardless of how Lincoln defenders seek to play this, it was nothing more than murder to obtain the land of the Santee Sioux and to appease his political cronies in Minnesota.

[TBP]

VanLandingham was arrested for a speech, nothing more.

http://www.fallsnewspress.com/opinion/2013/06/09/ohio-congressman-arrested-following-speech-he-gave-during-the-civil-war

[DoodleDawg]

VanLandingham was arrested for a speech, nothing more.

If you are going to champion someone you might at least get his name right: Clement Laird Valandigham and not Clarence VanLandingham.

Regardless, Valandigham specifically set out to challenge Ambrose Burnside's General Order making it illegal to speak in support of the Confederate cause. Now we can debate all day about the legality of the order, and probably agree that it was illegal, but Valandigham set out to become a martyr and Lincoln actually denied him the opportunity by immediately commuting his sentence and expelling him to the Confederacy. The Davis government was so thrilled at his support that they kept him under guard until such time as they could ship him to Canada.

[DoodleDawg]

IOW, it freed nobody, because it only applied where the Confederacy was in control, not the Union. As a practical matter, it did nada.

On the contrary, what it meant was that slaves who fled their owners and/or wound up in territory that had been liberated from the Confederate forces could not be returned to their masters as the law required because, wait for it, they weren't slaves anymore.

Had he intended to f4ree slaves, he could have easily applied it everywhere, not just in the areas he didn’t control.

He could not because of that pesky document called the Constitution of the United States of America. Slavery was not outlawed under the Constitution. Lincoln could free the slaves owned by the rebels because the Confiscation Acts gave him the power to seize private property used to further the rebellion. Ending slavery everywhere required an amendment to the Constitution. Look between the 12th Amendment and the 14th Amendment and there is will be.

[DoodleDawg]

I don’t believe it met the requirements of Article iV, Section 3, Paragraph 1.

My error, I meant Article IV and not the Fifth Amendment. Regardless, the Supreme Court disagrees with you. See Virgina v. West Virginia (220 US 1).

[DoodleDawg]

There can be no proper legislature of the state loyal to the Union if the state is not in the Union.

Whether the state was ever out of the Union is a matter of opinion, and not a position supported by the Supreme Court. See Texas v. White (74 US 700).

[DoodleDawg]

The southern states knew what the Republican plans were as soon as their nominating convention was over.

So in other words there was no "economic war" being waged when the Southern states began their rebellion. Nice to know.

[theBuckwheat]

>>Wouldn’t you agree that is strong evidence that no such threat existed? <<

The fact that many historians have omitted mention of this document of course is not proof that such document cannot exist. But I only say that this suggests that such a document exists. I have no proof. And that is but one piece of the puzzle for me that leads me to say that Lincoln is an enigma to me.

Now if this document is in the private collection of a certain university library, it cannot remain a secret forever, unless someone on staff is willing to destroy it.

[Bulwyf]

That’s what happens when you post and you’re really tired heh.

I’ve been a victim of propaganda meaning I used to fall for the garbage they’d teach me in school. By time I had graduated high school though, I was already a non conformist.

[DoodleDawg]

The fact that many historians have omitted mention of this document of course is not proof that such document cannot exist.

But strong evidence that it does not. Otherwise why wouldn't they have mentioned it? One would think that such a threat to the subject of their biography would be worth mentioning.

But I only say that this suggests that such a document exists. I have no proof. And that is but one piece of the puzzle for me that leads me to say that Lincoln is an enigma to me.

So your belief is that there is some kind of conspiracy on the part of all of Chief Justice Taney's biographers to suppress any and all evidence of Lincoln's arrest warrant? Sorry but that makes zero sense to me.

Now if this document is in the private collection of a certain university library, it cannot remain a secret forever, unless someone on staff is willing to destroy it.

You be sure to let me know when you find it.

[DoodleDawg]

They both have beards?

Sometimes I just don't understand the true Lost Causers.

[DoodleDawg]

They both have beards?

Sometimes I just don't understand the true Lost Causers.

[rockrr]

An interesting opinion piece. What does it have to do with what I wrote?

[rockrr]

“No time to understand ‘em, just ride, and rope, and brand ‘em....”

Some people see things the way they want them to be, instead of the way they are.

[BunnySlippers]

Is there any link?

[T-Bone Texan]

Lincoln fought the South to maintain the flow of tax revenue, as 2 thirds of all revenue to the US gov’t came from the South.

I believe this was in the form of tariffs.

It was all about the money.

I will never forgive Abe for what he did to my beloved South. I spit on his name.

[rockrr]

I forgive Abe for what he did to the south - because it was necessary. I’ll never forgive the treasonous bass turd davis for what he did to America.

[jeffersondem]

“There were fifteen slave states. If all had opposed the amendment it would have taken 46 states to ratify it. Do the math.”

Doing the math, as you suggest, reveals that President Lincoln simply did not have the votes necessary to abolish slavery peacefully through the U.S. constitution's amendment process.

If Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery, he would have to do it through force of arms - in other words, use violence to overthrow the pro-slavery U.S. constitution and to kill or imprison anyone who opposed.

For that he would need a pretext for war which he found in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. I meant to say the Fort Sumter incident.

[jeffersondem]

“Hey snarky one try reading the founding documents of the confederacy....they don’t list those issues”

When I referred to the IX and X amendments, I was referring to rights that states had IN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

And they still have them - except in the synthetic constitution handed to us after the disaster at Appomattox.

[jeffersondem]

“The desire to own other human beings as property—not to mention actually codifying slavery as a Right(!) in the founding documents which were establishing a new government—cannot be construed as anything other than a “malicious motive”.

You probably know this but, just for the tally book, the states that voted to enshrine human slavery into the U.S. constitution were: New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Delaware, and Maryland.

Oh yes, and Virginia, North and South Carolina, and Georgia.

[higgmeister]

Actually they did. Most of the troops came from southern state militias.

Excuse me, but back then all troops were mustered state by state.

You may remember all the battles listing military units as 29th Alabama, 22nd Massachusetts, 7th New York Regiment, 8th Texas Cavalry, etc.

On May 26, 1830, Congress passed the Indian Removal Act, which Jackson signed into law. The Act authorized the President to negotiate treaties to buy tribal lands in the east in exchange for lands farther west, outside of existing U.S. state borders.[85] The passage of the bill was Jackson's first legislative triumph and marked the Democratic party's emergence into American political society.[85] The passage of the act was especially popular in the South where population growth and the discovery of gold on Cherokee land had increased pressure on tribal lands.

The state of Georgia became involved in a contentious jurisdictional dispute with the Cherokees, culminating in the 1832 U.S. Supreme Court decision Worcester v. Georgia. In that decision, U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall, writing for the court, ruled that Georgia could not impose its laws upon Cherokee tribal lands.[87][88] [e]

Jackson used the Georgia crisis to broker an agreement whereby the Cherokee leaders agreed to a removal treaty. A group of Cherokees led by John Ridge negotiated the Treaty of New Echota with Jackson's representatives. Ridge was not a widely recognized leader of the Cherokee Nation, and this document was rejected by some as illegitimate.[89] A group of Cherokees petitioned to protest the proposed removal, though this wasn't taken up by the Supreme Court or the U.S. Congress, due to delays and timing.[90]

The treaty was enforced by Jackson's successor, President Martin Van Buren, who sent 7,000 troops to carry out the relocation policy. Due to the infighting between political factions, many Cherokees thought their appeals were still being considered when the relocation began.;[91] subsequently, as many as 4,000 Cherokees died on the "Trail of Tears" in 1838.[92]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson

None of it would have happened without Jackson. The very stately home of Major Ridge, the father of John Ridge, still exists in Rome, GA where I grew up.

Yes, a Cherokee Chief built and owned this house.

In 1839, after removal to Indian Territory, opponents assassinated the Ridges, Boudinot, and other Treaty Party members for their roles in the land cession and to eliminate them as political rivals. Stand Watie survived an attack.

Stand Watie later became a Confederate States Army General of the 1st Cherokee Mounted Rifle brigade and was the last Confederate General to surrender to Union troops on June 23, 1865, two and a half months after General Lee surrendered on April 9, 1865.