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Say Goodbye To X+Y: Should Community Colleges Abolish Algebra?
NPR ^ | July 19, 2017 | Kayla Lattimore and Julie Depenbrock

Posted on 07/21/2017 5:12:11 AM PDT by C19fan

Algebra is one of the biggest hurdles to getting a high school or college degree — particularly for students of color and first-generation undergrads.

It is also the single most failed course in community colleges across the country. So if you're not a STEM major (science, technology, engineering, math), why even study algebra?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: algebra; college; communitycollege; highereducation; immigrants; math; matheducation; race
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To: cyclotic
The kid is lousy at basic math but hammers through the hard stuff

Same here. Perpetually-high-grades son (civil engineer/transportation planner today) started flunking math in fifth grade, and when called on it admitted he was bored stiff. I convinced his Lutheran school teacher to let us "homeschool" him in algebra, and by the end of eighth grade he had finished Algebra I, Geometry, and Algebra II, and by the time he entered RHIT he was at Calc III (he left me behind at practical calc).

Daughter, OTOH, still struggles with algebra, though she got through it for her nursing prereqs, and if she can get past the TEAS and into the nursing school, will only have to do dosage math from then on. But I wouldn't have her going into nursing without at least demonstrating the ability to get through algebra, which she has.

161 posted on 07/21/2017 7:14:26 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: sportutegrl
I use algebra constantly: in the grocery store...

Yup. Me, too. That's why I said 99%.....

162 posted on 07/21/2017 7:15:04 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Bob

A = A + 1 is never a valid mathematical statement. Subtract A from both sides of the equation and you’re left with 0 = 1, which is never true. The single and double =’s used in certain programming languages are just syntactical operators, not mathematical statements.

The expression a = a + 1 simply instructs the microprocessor to increment some value a by 1. It does not mean that a actually equals one more than itself, which is a mathematical absurdity.


163 posted on 07/21/2017 7:15:20 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IrishBrigade

I’m in culinary school. You use algebra to figure out enlarging or downsizing quantities. Many talented chefs have failed culinary math over and over again.


164 posted on 07/21/2017 7:17:44 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
The students in my community college art program are essentially innumerate! They need calculators for most simple addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. They can not read a ruler! Fractions are a mystery.

Yes,...I have CONTEMPT for the teachers who passed these students from grade to grade.

I have CONTEMPT for the principals who awarded them MEANINGLESS high school diplomas.

I guess that makes me obnoxious and an egoist.

165 posted on 07/21/2017 7:18:14 AM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: C19fan

Oh come on. Teach the students algebra. Stop lowering the bar for people “of color.” Do a better job teaching it. And if you have good professors, good tutors, Khan academy online, etc, and they can’t do it, they don’t belong in college. And there is no shame there; intern somewhere and get work experience.


166 posted on 07/21/2017 7:22:01 AM PDT by Yaelle (We have a Crisis of Information in this country. Our enemies hold the megaphone.)
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To: miss marmelstein

... and most restaurants ( small businesses ) file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy before they finish a single year of business.


167 posted on 07/21/2017 7:26:38 AM PDT by lurked_for_a_decade (Imagination is more important than knowledge! ( e_uid == 0 ) != ( e_uid = 0 ). I Read kernel code.)
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To: C19fan

Exactly


168 posted on 07/21/2017 7:28:27 AM PDT by lincoln_consertive
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To: C19fan

The world needs ditch diggers, too.


169 posted on 07/21/2017 7:29:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NorthMountain
The ability to understand algebra is a rough IQ test.

That is only probable for left-brained, linear thinkers. In my many years of working with artists, architects, designers, writers, photographers, etc., several of whom had near-genius or genius IQ, very few could "do" higher abstract math, even algebra. Yet they had excelled in visual math like plane geometry.

"All God's children got a place in the choir/ some sing low, some sing higher..."

170 posted on 07/21/2017 7:30:42 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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To: CatoRenasci

Prior to the unionization of teachers the Washington DC Public School system had a track system starting with 7th grade. Structured to allow the brightest to be challenged without the drag of lazy or disruptive students on the majority of the class. The track system allowed for advancement to a higher tier, either for all honors classes or just those in which a student showed particular aptitude and willingness to apply oneself. By the same token, honors tier students could be dropped to a lower tier because of poor performance. Elective classes were usually open to all.

DC system circa 1965

Honors - top tier college bound students with great potential

College Prep - provided those desiring to advance to college the necessary skill sets to acquire a degree. Counseling suggested specific study courses for students with clear goals.

General - core general knowledge to function as an autonomous adult with awareness of American history, civics, culture and exposure to business classes.

Basic - geared towards remedial work and introduction to trade skills, woodworking, metal shop, print shop, mechanical drawing, home economics, cooking, which were available as elective course to all if space was available.

Vocational schools with with heavy emphasis on manual trades. At one time there was a technical curriculum at several high schools which included aviation classes with link trainers and radial aircraft engines, etc. Dropped in the eary 50’s.

In addition there were reform schools for those with severe behavioral problems. Last chance to straighten out before

Before teachers unions Washington DC had the highest nationwide rate of black HS gradutes and those going on to college.

The liberal left destroyed opportunities across the board with their purported concerns for the emotional well being of certain classes of students with the Procrustian egalitarian scythes. Critical mention must be made of the post union concern for teacher to student ratios, a ploy to increase union membership at the expense ofvthe students. As one teachers union president famously stated, “I’m here to represent the union members not the students.”

IMO, it is highly unlikely that the public school systems can be turned around as a whole.


171 posted on 07/21/2017 7:31:08 AM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: wintertime

I love the kids in my classes! But in between learning the mother sauces, we do nothing but take quizzes. 4 or 5 quizzes a week. Nuts. I’m thinking of transferring to a pastry school in Manhattan.


172 posted on 07/21/2017 7:35:02 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Albion Wilde

True! And the left brain thinkers should be required to take classes in the arts and humanities as well. Bring back music, shop classes, home economics, theatre, classic literature, history, etc.

The purpose of a well rounded education is to expose a person to as much as possible and to develop an appreciation for the varying god given talents around them. Passing is not success and failure is not fatal. Both are essential.


173 posted on 07/21/2017 7:40:13 AM PDT by lurked_for_a_decade (Imagination is more important than knowledge! ( e_uid == 0 ) != ( e_uid = 0 ). I Read kernel code.)
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To: C19fan
Maf is hard!

As many have said before, these students should not be in college in the first place.

Of course, much of the problem originates from the government and judges, who decided that using an IQ test for employment was illegal, but a college degree was OK. This created the academic industry. Problem is that in order to graduate low IQ students they have to dumb it down for everyone.

174 posted on 07/21/2017 7:40:57 AM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: lurked_for_a_decade

I don’t think a person has learned anything until they’ve failed at least once at something. We learn more from our failures. It’s what you do after you’ve failed that truly measures a persons metal.


175 posted on 07/21/2017 7:43:29 AM PDT by lurked_for_a_decade (Imagination is more important than knowledge! ( e_uid == 0 ) != ( e_uid = 0 ). I Read kernel code.)
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To: Enlightened1

I think there has been college algebra for a very long time, what is new is college classes preparing students for college algebra.


176 posted on 07/21/2017 7:43:37 AM PDT by dangerdoc (disgruntled)
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To: Lou L; proxy_user

“I had a big, burly Russian professor, with a thick accent that taught my linear algebra class, too. I eked out of there with a C+. I thought calculus was significantly easier.”


I had a similar problem in college, except my Calculus class was a self-paced course with TAs administering the exams and providing the tutoring. Unfortunately, my TA was Chinese and didn’t speak English worth a damn. Just trying to learn calculus on your own is a challenge. Trying to have a Chinese grad student who “no speaky good Engawish” explain it to you was a nightmare.

I seem to remember getting a “B-” in the course.


177 posted on 07/21/2017 7:46:23 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Imagine an America where Sen. John McCain had instead "failed to eject" over North Vietnam.)
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To: C19fan

X + Y could be construed as “cisgenderist”/s


178 posted on 07/21/2017 7:47:21 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: left that other site

X + Y could be construed as “cisgenderist”/s


Good one!


179 posted on 07/21/2017 7:48:22 AM PDT by samtheman (As an oil exporter, why would the Russians prefer Trump to Hillary? (Get it or be stupid.))
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To: DuncanWaring

Lazarus Long did not tolerate fools and neither should we.


180 posted on 07/21/2017 7:50:25 AM PDT by JimSEA
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