The death of the gas-powered car, in one chart (Liberal wet dream!)

MarketWatch ^ | 10/17/17 | Claudia Assis

[AngelesCrestHighway]

A global tipping point for electric cars could come as early as 2022, as battery costs decrease and concerns about range and infrastructure ease. That’s from analysts at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, who in a little over a year’s time have turned even more optimistic about the future dominance of electric cars over internal-combustion vehicles. In a Tuesday note, the analysts forecast that one in three cars will be purely electric by 2030; their July 2016 prediction was one in 10 by the same year. “There are several factors converging that have led us to revise our thinking — a combination of changing customer preferences, increasingly viable product, regulation, and infrastructure,” they said in the note.

[Mike-o-Matic]

>> Great to hear that you love your Volt!

Thanks. It’s actually my second one. I leased a 2012 for 3 years. It was so perfect for me that I bought a 2014 outright, once the 2012’s lease was up.

I’m curious about the Leaf as well. But unfortunately I don’t know anybody who owns one, and there aren’t any Nissan dealers near me. So I haven’t had a casual opportunity to drive one yet. It would be an interesting comparison.

[Impala64ssa]

< I know this is a dumb question, but where will the electricity come from for all these electric cars? >
Apparently the Dirt Worshippers (as Newt Gingrich once called the tree huggers) believe it'll come from clean all natrual organic unicorn fats.

[Boomer]

It’s not my place to say whether you are right or wrong but I do know time will tell and all this negative talk will do nothing to change how it unfolds.

[TexasGator]

“OK sport, just what high performance cars have you owned lately? What is your driving skill level?”

I am driving a 2016 Mustang GT w/performance package option and Roush supercharger.

The finest driving car was a 240Z with 327 corvette engine; engine and car both race prepared but street legal.

My family’s scariest car was my father’s 37 chopped top Ford coupe. He never got around to putting the doors or muffler back on or upgrading the brakes.

I grew up driving micro-midgets on dirt/mud tracks and speeding on wet red clay back roads.

When younger, I would race Porches on my bike in the mountains when I wasn’t on a dirt track or trails.

I’ve slowed down a little in my declining years.

[Impala64ssa]

< OMG when I was a kid, do you remember they told us phones would be like televisions? >
I remember my parents taking us to the NY World's Fair in 1964. The Bell Telephone Pavilion had rows of picture phones. They even had those "newfangled" touch tone buttons instead of the dialer. My Mom and I would talk to my Dad and sister while seeing each other on a black and white TV screen from another picture phone nearby. As a 7 yr old I was fascinated by this cutting edge technology. People thought by 1980 this would be a regular feature with phone service.

[TexasGator]

That’s a keeper!

[Impala64ssa]

< What landfill will take all those used batteries? >
Exactly. Batteries can only be recharged so many times. Right now the cost of replacing them is just about as much as rebuilding an engine, MAYBE battery replacement costs will come down a bit in time but how do we safely dispose or even recycle all those old batteries?

[Impala64ssa]

< It will be shortly after the day when electric cars become affordable and practical for the unwashed masses. The Agenda 21 journalists talk about electric now because working people can’t afford them. Once they can, then it will be time to lay on a new guilt trip. >
Ironically, at the turn of the 20th century cars, gas as well as electric were seen as an increasingly viable solution to the serious environmental and health problems, especially in larger towns and cities of horse droppings, as well as older or unhealthy horses dropping dead in the streets.

[TexasGator]

“The best solar panels have 23% or so efficiency”

Lab units are getting 46% efficiency.

[Boomer]

I must admit I do like it when we can agree on something.

Cheers.

[Impala64ssa]

< My car of choice, is a 1960s 500hp manual transmission car that gets about 16 mpg. it does not have ABS brakes or traction control or such. >
What's ironic is people like us who drive the old classics are the safest drivers on the road. My 64 Chevy originally had manual drum brakes, I did convert it to power discs and had upper tubular control arms and gas shocks put in when the ball joints needed replacing. It's an improvement but it still handles like a cement truck compared to my 2007 Cobalt(220k miles, still runs good. It's the closest thing to a Corvette I can afford :) ) But in spite of (or maybe BECAUSE of) today's cars being safer than ever with anti lock brakes, airbags, sensors out the whazoo there's more a**holes than ever on the roads. And it's not only drunks and texters. The most dangerous defect could be found in any car, the nut behind the wheel.

[ro_dreaming]

I spend about 200 bucks a month on gas.

[Bryanw92]

>>Ironically, at the turn of the 20th century cars, gas as well as electric were seen as an increasingly viable solution to the serious environmental and health problems,

Not really that ironic. At the turn of the 20th century, the ICE was very weak and trains were seen as the practical way to travel distances. Electric or ICE didn’t really matter when your typical trip was less than 5 miles at speeds not much faster than a horse-drawn wagon.

[Bryanw92]

>>You go to sleep and all that demand essentially goes away.

That depends. In the south where the heat pump cools our homes, the largest demands in the winter time are overnight. In fact, the electric grid gets overloaded on nights where the heat pumps can’t keep up.

[TexasGator]

I am in the south and my winter Bill is half my summer bill.

[Bryanw92]

do you get a daytime and nighttime power bill?

[TexasGator]

No. But Duke has a plan where it is free during certain night hours.

[Bryanw92]

Texas has its own isolated power grid. Maybe you have plenty of reserve power on a cold night.

[TexasGator]

Peak probably comes when people start getting taking showers, cooking, drying hair and setting thermostats warmer.

EV charging would over by that time.

[TexasGator]

In Texas ...

For Xcel all of winter is off-peak!

For Entergy theyes start on-peak at 1pm summer and 6 am winter which corresponds to my previous post.