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1 posted on 02/06/2018 5:26:15 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Words escape me.....
Yeah, I’m a “critical thinker” alright.
That’s why I know libs are insane...this one is no exception.
He can take his “climate change” and shove it straight up his azz....sideways.


2 posted on 02/06/2018 5:29:24 AM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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“Humans”? Shouldn’t that be Hupeople?


3 posted on 02/06/2018 5:29:32 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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Humans need to be smart enough to buy air conditioners and skimpy bathing suits. We’ll survive just fine, thanks.


4 posted on 02/06/2018 5:30:52 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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“Cook has previously published research on using...”

Cook is a nutcase who has dressed up like a NAZI and published pictures of himself as such on his blog.


5 posted on 02/06/2018 5:32:24 AM PST by JPJones (More tariffs, less income tax.)
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I’m glad the Guardian’s writers are smarter thinkers.

I guess my undergrad and grad (to doctorate) degrees in math, physics, and EE were not sufficient for me to deduce that the poor data gathering, poor data analysis, documented lying, and collusion about climate change were due to the fact that I could see for myself that the “science” was pretty much not science at all.

Justly mortified, I shall return to university and obtain the most intellectual degree of all, one which will allow me to overcome the shortcomings of years of real math, physics and engineering.

I shall pursue a journalism degree.

/s


6 posted on 02/06/2018 5:33:09 AM PST by Da Coyote
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Science uses the scientific method.

Climate “science” does not use the scientific method.

Any questions?


7 posted on 02/06/2018 5:33:19 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=400>)
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So believers are stupid?


10 posted on 02/06/2018 5:39:09 AM PST by Leep (The dims better watch it..Trump is CRAZY!!)
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The Emperor’s New Weather.


11 posted on 02/06/2018 5:41:59 AM PST by dead
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Gotta keep those grants coming! At all costs! Gibsmedat!


12 posted on 02/06/2018 5:44:38 AM PST by polymuser (Its terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterton)
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The scary thing is that people who think they can control the climate by alter human economic/social behavior are capable of any atrocity you can think of.


15 posted on 02/06/2018 5:49:28 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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Even if man made climate change exist (and I don’t believe it does) so what?

The one feature that makes humans the top dog in this world is the fact humans can adapt. While there are various animals that survive in certain ecological ranges, humans can and have survived on virtually every inch of earth. No other species can make that claim.

If it gets too warm we adjust, if it gets too cold, we adjust, if the water level rises we move, if the water level lowers we move.

The idea that governments must steal the wealth of their citizens in order to save them is just so wrong that in the end, people will need to rise up and remove those in the the government that advocate such theft


17 posted on 02/06/2018 5:51:13 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (US out of the UN, UN out of the US)
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Actually teaching people to think critically would lead to the collapse of your movement in 30 days.


19 posted on 02/06/2018 5:53:12 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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The Know-It-Alls don’t know when we’re pulling their leg.
So easily trolled and triggered.


20 posted on 02/06/2018 6:00:22 AM PST by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal)
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In other words...

“Vee have to figure out better vays to FORCE the unwashed masses to think as VEE do!”


21 posted on 02/06/2018 6:01:32 AM PST by joethedrummer
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I can think critically. I accept that the climate changes, has changed, and will change. The only constant in the Earth’s climate since the dawn of time has been change. What I don’t agree with is calling plant food a “pollutant” or that we puny humans can do a damned thing about the Sun’s cycles, our angle to the Sun, the Earth’s wobbly rotation on its axis, or our wavering distance from the Sun, all of which have been scientifically shown to have an impact on climate. Human activity has not been conclusively shown to have an impact.


22 posted on 02/06/2018 6:03:01 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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So the GW crowd isn't really interested or planning on fixing what they claim to be the most serious issue facing humans today.

They simply want EVERYONE to agree with them and think like they do.

23 posted on 02/06/2018 6:03:36 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Perhaps we should care less about who we may offend and care more about who we may inspire.)
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Intelligent humans do need to continue to reason logically and without falling for classic fallacies as we address hypotheses regarding climate change. In order that we might continue to meet our high standard of logical reasoning on FR, it is entirely appropriate that we review logical fallacies:

Ad hominem – attacking those who are not convinced by questionable mathematical models, for example by calling us “deniers” rather than attacking our argument.

Appeal to authority (argumentum ad verecundiam) – Global Warming is deemed true because of the position or authority of the scientists who advocate for that assertion and whose funding depends on us believing their assertion.

Appeal to consequences (argumentum ad consequentiam) – advocates assert negative consequences from failure to believe in an attempt to distract from the scientific weaknesses of the Global Warming hypothesis.

Appeal to emotion – an argument is based on the manipulation of emotions (women and minorities hardest hit, skeptics are anti-science, the seas will rise 20 feet, etc.) rather than the use of valid reasoning.

Argumentum ad baculum (appeal to the stick, appeal to force, appeal to threat) – an argument made through coercion or threats of force, as when Global Warming advocates argue that the skeptics whom they label as “deniers” should be prosecuted for genocide.

Argumentum ad populum (appeal to widespread belief, bandwagon argument, appeal to the majority, appeal to the people) – a proposition is claimed to be true or good solely because 90%, 95%, 98% or some other high percentage of scientists are reported to believe in that hypothesis.

Judgmental language – insulting or pejorative language to influence the recipient’s judgment, as when those who follow the scientific method are referred to as “deniers” or “anti-science” for rejecting a hypothesis that has been constructed so that it cannot be refuted with evidence.

Cherry picking (suppressed evidence, incomplete evidence) – act of pointing at individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. Correcting some temperature measurements and selectively excluding other observations may be the largest scale example of cherry picking in the history of science.

Hasty generalization (fallacy of insufficient statistics, fallacy of insufficient sample, fallacy of the lonely fact, hasty induction, secundum quid, converse accident, jumping to conclusions) – basing a broad conclusion on a small sample or the making of a determination without all of the information required to do so.

Given the pattern in the last 80 years of research and journalism, I find it hard to panic, whether it is journalists hawking their papers or scientists boosting their funding who are promoting fear:


1934 - COLD - 1934 - COLD - 1934 - COLD - 1934 - COLD
Nation Is Held on Verge of Climate Shift; Experts See Old-Fashioned Winters Back
http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?srchst=p&query=%22Nation+Is+Held+on+Verge+of+Climate+Shift%22&bylquery=&hdlquery =
December 16, 1934, Sunday

America is believed by Weather Bureau scientists to be on the verge of a change of climate, with a return to increasing rains and deeper snows and the colder Winters . . .

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1956 . . . warm . . . 1956 . . . warm . . . 1956 . . . warm . . . 1956 . . . warm
SCIENCE IN REVIEW; Warmer Climate on the Earth May Be Due To More Carbon Dioxide in the Air
http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=s&daterange=period&query=%22Warmer+Climate+on+the+Earth+May+Be+Due+To+More+Carbon+Dioxide+in+the+Air%22&srchst=p&hdlquery=&bylquery=&mon1=09&day1=18&year1=1851&mon2=12&day2=31&year2=1980&submit.x=30&submit.y=5
October 28, 1956, Sunday
By WALDEMAR KAEMPFFERT

The general warming of the climate that has occurred in the last sixty years has been variously explained. Among the explanations are . . .

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1958 - COLD - 1958 - COLD - 1958 - COLD - 1958 - COLD
Frozen Key To Our Climate; The world’s ice masses may be ushering in a fifth Ice Age. Frozen Key To Our Climate http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=s&daterange=period&query=%22The+world%27s+ice+masses+may+be+ushering+in+a+fifth+Ice+Age%22&srchst=p&hdlquery=&bylquery=&mon1=09&day1=18&year1=1851&mon2=12&day2=31&year2=1980&submit.x=27&submit.y=8

December 7, 1958, Sunday
By LEONARD ENGEL

SEVERAL thousand scientists of many nations have recently been climbing mountains, digging tunnels in glaciers, journeying to the Antarctic, camping on floating Arctic ice. Their object has been to solve a fascinating riddle: what is happening to the world’s ice . . .

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1959 . . . warm . . . 1959 . . . warm . . . 1959 . . . warm . . . 1959 . . . warm
A WARMER EARTH EVIDENT AT POLES; Arctic Findings in Particular Support Theory of Rising Global Temperatures http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=s&daterange=period&query=%22Arctic+Findings+in+Particular+Support+Theory+of+Rising+Global+Temperatures%22&srchst=p&hdlquery=&bylquery=&mon1=09&day1=18&year1=1851&mon2=12&day2=31&year2=1980&submit.x=17&submit.y=5
February 15, 1959, Sunday

WASHINGTON, Feb. 14 — The theory that the world is growing slightly warmer is receiving added confirmation . . .

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1961 - COLD - 1961 - COLD - 1961 - COLD - 1961 - COLD
SCIENTISTS AGREE WORLD IS COLDER; But Climate Experts Meeting Here Fail to Agree on Reasons for Change http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=s&daterange=period&query=%22But+Climate+Experts+Meeting+Here+Fail+to+Agree+on+Reasons+for+Change%22&srchst=p&hdlquery=&bylquery=&mon1=09&day1=18&year1=1851&mon2=12&day2=31&year2=1980&submit.x=23&submit.y=5
January 30, 1961, Monday
By WALTER SULLIVAN

After a week of discussions on the causes of climate change, an assembly of specialists from several continents seems to have reached unanimous agreement on only one point: it is getting colder . . .

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1969 . . . warm . . . 1969 . . . warm . . . 1969 . . . warm . . . 1969 . . . warm
Expert Says Arctic Ocean Will Soon Be an Open Sea; Catastrophic Shifts in Climate Feared if Change Occurs Other Specialists See No Thinning of Polar Ice Cap
http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=s&daterange=period&query=%22Expert+Says+Arctic+Ocean+Will+Soon+Be+an+Open+Sea%22&srchst=p&hdlquery=&bylquery=&mon1=09&day1=18&year1=1851&mon2=12&day2=31&year2=1980&submit.x=16&submit.y=3
February 20, 1969, Thursday
By WALTER SULLIVAN

Col. Bernt Balchen, polar explorer and flier, is circulating a paper among polar specialists proposing that the Arctic pack ice is thinning and that the ocean at the North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two . . .

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1970 - COLD - 1970 - COLD - 1970 - COLD - 1970 - COLD
U.S. and Soviet Press Studies of a Colder Arctic; U.S. and Soviet Press Arctic Studies
http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=s&daterange=period&query=%22U.S.+and+Soviet+Press+Studies+of+a+Colder+Arctic%22&srchst=p&hdlquery=&bylquery=&mon1=09&day1=18&year1=1851&mon2=12&day2=31&year2=1980&submit.x=17&submit.y=10
July 18, 1970, Saturday
By WALTER SULLIVAN

The United States and the Soviet Union are mounting large-scale investigations to determine why the Arctic climate is becoming more frigid, why parts of the Arctic sea ice have recently become ominously thicker and whether the extent of that ice cover contributes to the onset of ice ages . . .

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1972 - COLD - 1972 - COLD - 1972 - COLD - 1972 - COLD
Climate Experts Assay Ice Age Clues
http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=s&daterange=period&query=%22Climate+Experts+Assay+Ice+Age+Clues+%22&srchst=p&hdlquery=&bylquery=&mon1=09&day1=18&year1=1851&mon2=12&day2=31&year2=1980&submit.x=14&submit.y=7
January 27, 1972, Thursday
Special to The New York Times

After invading Nebraska and Colorado, the armadillos, faced with increasingly frigid weather, are in retreat from those states toward their ancestral home south of the Mexican border. The winter snow accumulation on Baffin Island has increased . . .

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1972 - COLD - 1972 - COLD - 1972 - COLD - 1972 - COLD
Scientist Fears Equable Climate Around World Could Be Ending
http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=s&daterange=period&query=%22Scientist+Fears+Equable+Climate+Around+World+Could+Be+Ending+%22&srchst=p&hdlquery=&bylquery=&mon1=09&day1=18&year1=1851&mon2=12&day2=31&year2=1980&submit.x=22&submit.y=9
October 31, 1972, Tuesday
By BOYCE RENSBERGER

The current 12,000-year-old era of comfortable climates around the world may be coming to an end . . .

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1975 - COLD - 1975 - COLD - 1975 - COLD - 1975 - COLD
Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead; Scientists Ponder Why World’s Climate Is Changing; a Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable
http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=s&daterange=period&query=%22Scientists+Ask+Why+World+Climate+Is+Changing%22&srchst=p&hdlquery=&bylquery=&mon1=09&day1=18&year1=1851&mon2=12&day2=31&year2=1980&submit.x=17&submit.y=8
May 21, 1975, Wednesday
By WALTER SULLIVAN

The world’s climate is changing. Of that scientists are firmly convinced. But in what direction and why are subjects of deepening debate . . .

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1975 . . . warm . . . 1975 . . . warm . . . 1975 . . . warm . . . 1975 . . . warm . . .
WARMING TREND SEEN IN CLIMATE; Two Articles Counter View That Cold Period Is Due
http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=s&daterange=period&query=%22WARMING+TREND+SEEN+IN+CLIMATE%3B+Two+Articles+Counter+View+That+Cold+Period+Is+Due%22&srchst=p&hdlquery=&bylquery=&mon1=09&day1=18&year1=1851&mon2=12&day2=31&year2=1980&submit.x=25&submit.y=6
August 14, 1975, Thursday
By WALTER SULLIVAN

Articles in two scientific journals have questioned widely publicized predictions that, in coming decades, the world climate will deteriorate severely affecting food production and, perhaps, initiating a new ice age . . .

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1978 /// no change /// 1978 /// no change /// 1978 /// no change /// 1978
Climate Specialists, in Poll, Foresee No Catastrophic Weather Changes in Rest of Century; Warning About Carbon Dioxide
http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=s&daterange=period&query=%22Climate+Specialists%2C+in+Poll%2C+Foresee+No+Catastrophic+Weather+Changes+in+Rest+of+Century%22&srchst=p&hdlquery=&bylquery=&mon1=09&day1=18&year1=1851&mon2=12&day2=31&year2=1980&submit.x=18&submit.y=9
February 18, 1978, Saturday
By WALTER SULLIVAN

WASHINGTON, Feb. 17—A poll of climate specialists in seven countries has found a consensus that there will be no catastrophic changes in the climate by the end of the century. But the specialists were almost equally divided on whether there would be a warming, a cooling or no change at all . . .

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2007 . . . warm . . . 2007 . . . warm . . . 2007 . . . warm . . . 2007 . . . warm
Science Panel Calls Global Warming ‘Unequivocal’
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/science/earth/03climate.html
Published: February 3, 2007
By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL and ANDREW C. REVKIN

In a grim and powerful assessment of the future of the planet, the leading international network of climate scientists has concluded for the first time that global warming is “unequivocal” and that human activity is the main driver, “very likely” causing most of the rise in temperatures since 1950 . . .

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2009 ??? Fraud ??? 2009 ??? Fraud ??? 2009 ??? Fraud ??? 2009 ??? Fraud
Hacked Email is New Fodder for Climate Dispute
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html
Published: November 20, 2009

By ANDREW C. REVKIN
Hundreds of private e-mail messages and documents hacked from a computer server at a British university are causing a stir among global warming skeptics, who say they show that climate scientists conspired to overstate the case for a human influence on climate change . . .


26 posted on 02/06/2018 6:16:13 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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The earths magnetic fields are fluctuating. The government knows this but does not mention this as a possible cause of earth climate change. Some fear the poles will shift in the near future. Then we will see REAL CLIMATE CHANGE.


27 posted on 02/06/2018 6:21:18 AM PST by jetson
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dana1981
Dana Nuccitelli is an environmental scientist at a private environmental consulting firm in the Sacramento, California area. He has a Bachelor’s Degree in astrophysics from the University of California at Berkeley, and a Master’s Degree in physics from the University of California at Davis.

Dana has been researching climate science, economics, and solutions since 2006, and has contributed to Skeptical Science since September, 2010. He also blogs at The Guardian, and is the author of Climatology versus Pseudoscience. He has published climate-related papers on various subjects, from the build-up of heat in the Earth’s climate system to the expert consensus on human-caused global warming.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/team.php

And he’s a Trump-hating liberal.


28 posted on 02/06/2018 6:22:25 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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“Misinformation needs short, sharp, immediate inoculation. Our paper provides a blueprint into how to write these inoculations.”

The fact that they use the word inoculate is scary. Even more scary is that they utilize the methods of the Ministry of Truth. (Or is this the goal?)


29 posted on 02/06/2018 6:25:43 AM PST by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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