Posted on 05/01/2018 11:33:47 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
Since the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2015 that same sex couples have a constitutional right to marry, support for same-sex marriage has increased substantially. Currently, more than six in ten (61%) Americans say gay and lesbian couples should be able to marry legally, while only about half as many (30%) are opposed.
Strength of support for same-sex marriage has increased dramatically over the past decade, while strength of opposition has fallen in nearly equal measure. Today, Americans who strongly favor same-sex marriage outnumber those who strongly oppose it by more than a two-to-one margin (30% vs. 14%). In 2007, only 13% of the public strongly favored same-sex marriage, while nearly one-quarter (24%) strongly opposed it.1 Much of this shift has occurred within the last five years. As recently as 2013, more than four in ten (42%) Americans opposed same-sex marriage, including about one in four (23%) who strongly opposed it.2 Over the last five years, strong supporters of same-sex marriage increased only modestly, from 25% to 30%.
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Today, polls aren't designed to find out what people believe.
Today, polls are designed to tell people what to believe.
Consoling but perhaps not accurate in this case. I think the LGBT-whatever onslaught has been remarkably successful. The propaganda for it is virtually nonstop, and punishment for dissenters is swift and certain. The Nazis were not so thorough.
God already spoke on the subject.
we don’t determine what is wrong and right by counting noses.
morals are determined by the truth of Scripture.
I think it’s the wrong question. The real question is: Why would the government be in the business of defining marriage in the first place? Without that hubris, this wouldn’t be an issue because everyone would be free to believe and do whatever they want.
Roger that. And God lumps those who support disgusting behaviors in with those who practice the disgusting behaviors.
Rom 1:32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Which is a shame for numerous reasons:
1) It lends credence to the notion that the Court is somehow the arbiter of morality, social acceptance, wisdom, etc. It's easy to see why militants and zealots on any issue will attempt to do an end-run around democracy knowing that they only have to convince 5 people rather than 50 million.
2) The Court's ruling was the product of one sad old man's meandering, meaningless candyfloss posing as legal opinion.
3) It encourages the next wave of lawbreakers to invalidate the law via the courts. Numerous lower judges have already all but erased the concept of borders, citizenship, etc. It's not a stretch to say that many want the court to declare that one can be an American merely by saying the words or thinking the thought.
I remember listening to an interview with a “gay leader” back in the 80’s, after GRID (now called AIDS) had hit hard. He said it set them back at least a decade or more in their effort to make homosexuality mainstream. He said they had been planning to push a strong “Gay 90’s” theme as a play on the first one, but thanks to GRID they had to lay low for a while.
Well, they’ve gotten over that setback and it’s back on course, but the “gay 90’s” opportunity has passed.
And how many think this is a moot point, so take path of least resistance, and tell a pollster they favor homosexual marriage? How many, knowing what the politically correct answer is, give that politically correct answer, especially considering that the courts have already decided we must allow homosexual marriage?
I think a lot of people just went with the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision. “Oh, the Supreme Court said they have a constitutional right to marry, so it must be true.” Nevermind the fact that the U.S. Constitution says nothing at all about marriage - it is not and never was intended to be a federal issue.
The idea of an "emerging consensus," as something significant for the future, will appeal only to those with an axe to grind, who have no legitimate argument for what they seek to promote.
It’s tricky under the best circumstances to get a scientifically accurate poll. Support may not be as much as it is cracked up to be. People can believe it’s weird, and yet long to live and let live as long as it doesn’t come knocking on their doors (which, unfortunately, this evil eventually will if something else doesn’t stop it — in fact it has already caused some knotty conundrums).
“Gay” as we know it isn’t love. It is hate. It had been known as perversion, and even yet it still is subversion. It is sad, very sad. When it gets bad enough, it brings historical doom. America may have an ace card yet to play, however, the faith card. Perhaps “Gay” will not cause America to fall after all, but will be one of the challenges by which God alerts America to stand by embracing Him, either by direct belief, or a pushback towards Christianization.
And I never will.
I think that ruling by the Supreme Court was a turning point for this country. Culturally speaking, from that point forward it’s been all downhill.
The USSC pulled the whole issue down into a purely secular humanistic sphere. If this is to be America’s norm, I could argue that one might as well bite the bullet, and say that we aren’t going to have any more government bestowed marriage (or divorce). We will have householding, with people looking to the church or other private organization of their choice to fill in the details. A badly incompetent master in things marital may be worse than no master.
Today, polls are designed to tell people what to believe.
Indeed. In fact, they are mislead much of the time.
The language of the polls has morphed into leading question: from a straighforward, "do you think that people of the same sex should be able to get married?" to "Do you think that married same-sex couples should get the recognition and benefits bestowed upon marriage?"
The aphrodisiac of male queers: fresh male feces preferably from a 12 year old.
The absolute coarseness of the discourse has proven your point, and not on the side of marriage defenders. Now it's "burn their f*****g churches to the ground and tax the charred timbers!" (actual comment on a sodomite website) and screaming for the arrest of noncompliant county clerks when others are available to do their dirty work.
Well, I think it and its fallout might have also unmasked a folly held by modern conservatives, not just modern liberals.
This folly is the idea that the government has to lead a society in everything. That wasn’t the founding idea — in fact, the technology didn’t exist to do it in founding days as it exists now.
It is a choice for the people of the land whether this has to “be all downhill” at all. I don’t believe it has to be. I believe that the solution will be in a PRIVATE re-acknowledgment of the good Lord. Perhaps conservatives are so used to thinking of the Lord in terms of this law, that law, the other law, that the closer and more heartfelt side of the Lord has gotten almost no attention. I could suggest one cure for this imbalance to conservatives, even conservative “Christians.” Go visit some Salvation Army church services, and I just pull that name out due to being familiar with them. There may be others just as good for the purpose. Look at the worship and theological viewpoint that drives their beneficence. You won’t hear them lamenting the loss of older laws, or howling for new laws. That’s not where they see the ultimate Power to be.
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