Posted on 05/05/2018 6:04:02 AM PDT by Twotone
Two nights ago with Tucker Carlson, I discussed the decision of the Boy Scouts of America to drop the "Boy" bit. The ruination of a great civilizing institution has been accomplished in a mere two decades. As I wrote three years ago:
In the late Nineties, the BSA said no to gay scoutmasters. I was on the floor of the Democratic Convention in Los Angeles in 2000 when they had some Eagle scouts as an honor guard - and in my section of the crowd everyone booed. And I remember thinking, "Man, these Dems are nuts. Booing boy scouts?"
But the booers won. Over the next decade, gay-friendly churches (Episcopalian, Congregational, and the other post-Christian ones) booted the scouts from church halls where they'd met for decades; Disney cut them off the list of approved charities to which their employees were permitted to donate their "Ears To You" fundraising proceeds; other corporate benefactors from the US soccer league to Lockheed Martin severed their ties ...and the number of new recruits to scouting dwindled remorselessly, and so did their finances. And in the end the boy scouts' leader caved - but too late. In the blink of an eye, the boy scouts had been, as my friend Ezra Levant likes to say, "de-normalized", and banished to the fringe, and nice soccer mommies don't want l'il Jimmy playing on the extremist fringe.
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“You are absolutely full of crap”
No, you child molesters are full of crap. You know that homosexuals pedophile have power and influence have over children, that’s why you work so hard to have that access through the BSA.
Homosexuals need access to children to recruit them. We’re on to you homosexuals.
Your claim that children can act as adults and protect themselves from homosexuals is nothing but homosexual propaganda. “Don’t be afraid of queers, boys can protect themselves!”
Trying to be dismissive of the dangers of homosexuals by claiming homosexuals are no more harmful than a spider is typical homosexual propaganda.
Adults need to protect children from homosexuals, and I could less what sly reasoning you faggots claim otherwise!
“I understand that as a conservative it is in your nature to be distressed at change.”
There is nothing progressive about the regressive sexual exploitation of children. We’ve evolved past the primal urges of sodomy you faggots practice.
“The BSA is not only alive but well.”
No, it is not well. It is shrinking fast.
No one wants to participate in a homosexual organization where children are placed in danger.
“The fact is that there are essentially no queers.”
Then ban them altogether since it wouldn’t make any real difference.
Oh, wait, you were lying. There are far too many homosexuals in the BSA.
Once again you are wrong and ignorant
Every BSA Leader is vetted by the unit sponsoring institution and then by National BSA . Further every two years, every registered leader is required as a condition of being registered to take a rigorous course of training designed to establish policy of adult s and boys and was called Youth Protection training. (I don’t know what the formal name is).
The program is designed such that a unit properly led with adequate leadership will not permit a man on boy condition. A unit that does is marginal and should lose it’s charter
Name one
You are merely blowing smoke and are just plain ignorant
As a Canadian, Lord Baden-Powell was the founder of ‘Scouting’. Being then, a colony of GB in most everything but name, we followed the lead of GB. America? Not so much. Of course at that time, the US was very much isolationist. The ‘American empire’ (economic and otherwise) was limited to former Spanish possessions and South and Central America.
Unfortunately, Kanaduh is becoming a colony of Africa or mohamedan lands. Than you Dustbin Turd-owe.
They were not booing the Scouts. They were booing the flag that the Scout Honor Guard was honoring. Just like the booed God at another convention.
My twenty-something nephew was an Eagle Scout, but now wears girly clothes and calls himself Tara. I often wonder if it was a homosexual scout leader who turned him out.
“You are merely blowing smoke and are just plain ignorant”
Says the homosexual promoter that makes wild conclusions and provides no proof, yet, we’re not stupid and know better.
Liberals like you are always childishly naïve and believe the rest of us are too. We’re not.
Last year they raised the money and took a group to Philmont. This year they went to Sea Base and next year they'll go up north to canoe on rivers and lakes (can't remember the name but it's one of the triple crown of scouting). In between the major trips they go on shorter scouting adventures and do community service projects. They graduated three Eagle Scouts this year. My two Eagle Scout grandsons were in a troop in a much larger town and their scouting experience was almost identical.
As far as I know there have been no girls trying to join the boys and no homosexual boys joining the boys.
The key seems to be dedicated leadership as it takes a tremendous amount of time and commitment.
“no homosexual boys joining the boys”
So, then banning homosexuals would have zero effect.
Then why are you guys so hot and bothered to ensure homosexuals are allowed in??
Who says I'm for letting homosexual boys join. Why do you make that assumption? Take the burr out from under your saddle and quit attacking.
I'm just pointing out what the reality is in our small town and in the larger town with the scouting programs I'm familiar with.
I don't believe a non-traditional troop would survive very long in actuality as it wouldn't be able to attract and keep the dedicated leadership and certainly wouldn't receive the community support that's necessary FOR it to survive.
Do I believe that nationwide the scouting program is healthy? Not really. Membership numbers have dropped tremendously over the years due to the changing culture. Scouting is not longer considered "cool" in lots of places and attacks from the anti-male, anti-American leftist have taken their toll. Plus there are fewer leaders who are willing to put in the time and effort required.
America is poorer in spirit for it.
Well, if they’re so interested in protecting the boys there, then why let the predators in, in the first place?
I am not going down your rabbit hole. The dynamics of the gang is that which is at stake. Ignore that for some sensibility of equality is asinine. If you believe that men and women are the same, then you are right. However; men and women are different on so many levels. We are wired differently. This is not opinion. This is backed by scientific data. Our brain function differently; males have less nerve sensitive; dealing with emotions are different; we learn differently; ETC. It is bad enough that boys are getting shortchanged in our wonderful educational system. One of the few places where proper male development can occur, is being adulterated by progressive claptrap of universal inclusivity.
Ask yourself why has the Scouting program been so successful. How did it start? What was the original Scout handbook? Was it developed from a co-ed classroom or the field? When you remove a pillar, then the hall is weakened.
You sure are quick to call everyone who disagrees with your opinions “ignorant”.
Were you a Cub Scout? I was.
Were you a Boy Scout? I was.
Were you inducted into The Order of The Arrow? I was.
I was a Scout for almost a decade in the 60s and early 70s.
I supported the Scouts throughout the 80s and most of the 90s. At first the changes came subtly. The infiltration was almost imperceptible and leadership resisted many of the changes. Eventually, they collapsed and BSA is unrecognizable.
I will relate an antidote that you can respond to, or not, but if you call me ignorant, you had best have something to back it up (besides, “I don’t know what the formal name is”, because that alone illustrates your ignorance).
I was a counselor at church camp a few years ago. I was in charge of a cabin of boys who spent the week under my supervision. One of the boys missed the first days of camp because he was going camping with the Boy Scouts. It wasn’t just any trip, it was so he could earn his final merit badge in fish & game. I’ve been there, done that, have you?
Chances are you haven’t - at least recently. When this lad showed up in church camp he was traumatized. I had no clue why he was in tears until we broke off from the group and had a heart-to-heart. He had spent the previous year looking forward to that camping trip and earning that merit badge which required he not only catch a fish, but clean it and cook it. He caught his fish, and then his scout-master made him release it with all the whiny Eco-friendly baggage attached. No merit-badge, a traumatic guilt-trip about “murdering” a fish and he missed two-days of church camp. His tears were heart-breaking and he felt betrayed and confused.
I tried to intervene with the troop on the kid’s behalf and was told to, “mind my own business”. I later played a role in leading that kid to Christ and helped Baptize him. He eventually quit the Scouts that he had loved for years. As you said, the oath remains, but it’s just a matter of time before they drop God altogether as part of that oath. Just as they now define being “morally straight,” as being “ethical” and adding that a “scout’s sexuality is irrelevant.”
You sir, are misinformed in your defense of this organization that I was a part of and a long-time supporter. You’re name-calling is an over-reaction to personal opinions, and not in keeping with the rules of this forum.
Good post ‘berta.
I especially liked
> Get together with a few like-minded adult men, start your own local organization, and call it whatever the hell you want. Come up with your own uniforms, or use military surplus gear to establish your “brand.” If you can’t find a church or other group to let you use their buildings, then f#%& them, too. Hold your meetings in the woods around a massive bonfire.<
There is such an organization. It’s called Trail Life and is a national Christian group that bans queers and females.
Look them up, give them a try, and work with them if you still have hope in raising a generation of masculine men.
There is more danger from predators that are teachers or coaches or priests or choir directors than in BSA
Your fears are unfounded
I’d agree with you if those potential predators went on MULTI-NIGHT CAMPING TRIPS with young boys, but they don’t.
Sad that millions of future kids (the ones with parents protecting them) won’t get to enjoy the Boy Scouts...not much different than most of us trying to enjoy the NFL - it’s over for both.
“There is more danger from predators that are teachers or coaches or priests or choir directors than in BSA. Your fears are unfounded”
In other words, you’re saying, “We queers love little boys, and we exist in other aspects of their lives, so why ban us from having OUR way with little boys in the scouts?! We deserve sodomy with 12 year olds too!”
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