Posted on 06/19/2018 8:11:17 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
Pauline Kael, NY Times movie critic for decades, said after Nixon won in a landslide "I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don’t know. They’re outside my ken." In her NYC liberal intelligentsia circles it was unthinkable and inexplicable that Nixon was even in the race in the first place even though it was a huge landslide.
All I'm saying is that while we and our associates may see through their BS, recall how the relentless unceasing drumbeat against Bush (in addition to his decision to abandon his base with an amnesty program) drove his numbers steadily into the toilet. They've doubled down with Trump. It seeps into the subconscious of people who don't pay attention. We still have to consider them a true threat to democracy and be on guard against their lies and propaganda.
I respect Gen.Kelly but if he is not on the wagon for The President the honorable thing to do is resign!!!
Tell me all about my main point of his never commanding a platoon or company in combat? Tell me where he served in COMBAT at company level. That is why Infantry officers in the advanced course around 2003 and later laughed at Gen’s.
The CG of Southern Command is politically chosen just like every major command from SAC to EUCOM.
How did you know him? What was your job there?
Kelly was a company CO in 1984. We had NO war then. His so called combat was as a CG. What a joke.
Kelly is doing ther job Trump wants him to do. Any personal rancor is irrelevant except to MSM which may well have invented it. Were K not performing according his contract he would have been fired.
I believe that the American Public is already educated on the media. What it took to move from education of the Media to downright discrediting was a leader like DJT. The Rovian GOPe mantra was that “it did no good to argue with or blame the media and/or it was good to try and get them to like you.”
Trump said, “screw that!!!” He called them out and in doing so showed the leadership to his base and those on the fence to treat the media for who and what they are.
Did you actually work with him, and if so, in what capacity?
So he went to run the Corps Infantry Officer’s Course. His Army IOAC course was 9 months of tactics. The Marines used to send their best to the IOAC at Fort Benning. We has Clovis “Buck” Coffman in my IOAC in 72-73. All of us had been in Vietnam, had a CIB, plus at least one valor award.
Buck Coffman was a Force Recon legend as a Top NCO. He was given a direct commission. Buck had every award except the CMH. He had the Navy Cross and 25 more ribbons. You might look him up. I served with men like Col Robert Howard who was put in for the CMH three times. Those guys, Howard and Coffman were real warriors.
“We still have to consider them a true threat to democracy and be on guard against their lies and propaganda.”
You’re right, of course. And for the record, I was being a little facetious with the “nobody I know” comment....
I’m not saying let down our guard - I’m really saying the opposite - our vigilance must extend beyond keeping abreast of the literal content of their fake stories, to include an awareness of the hidden motivations behind fake news and how it is being subtly used to manipulate and deceive.
Reprinting the fake news and discussing whether it is fake should not be the end of our vigilance. We should also thoroughly discredit it and treat it like the garbage it is.
Sometimes, if something stinks it should be flushed down the toilet rather than being shown the undeserved respect of our serious consideration and debate.
Buck Coffman was a Force Recon legend as a Top NCO. He was given a direct commission. Buck had every award except the CMH. He had the Navy Cross and 25 more ribbons. You might look him up. I served with men like Col Robert Howard who was put in for the CMH three times. Those guys, Howard and Coffman were real warriors.
"Thanks" for the irrelevant history lesson, but I asked specifically where you actually served with General Kelly, or how well you actually knew him. Apparently, you didn't, and don't know the man personally at all. That's why you gave the irrelevant history lesson -- to duck the question.
General Kelly enlisted in 1970, and served continuously for 46 years as a grunt, then as an infantry officer, taking whatever assignments the Corps gave him. If he didn't see combat as a grunt or platoon commander, it is because the Corps chose not to send him to Vietnam in the 70's. That doesn't make him any less of a Marine than you.
While he didn't see combat as a platoon commander in the 70's, he spent years in the sandbox, driving over IED-infested roads and being exposed to fire on numerous occasions. He lost a Marine son, who died in combat in Afghanistan. He's got his CAR.
You called him a "PC Politician Punk", and unless you're going to accuse every Marine who served since 1970 but didn't see combat of being a "PC Punk", then you may want to think twice. As I pointed out -- he publicly criticized numerous Obama Administration policies, which led to him being pushed into retirement.
He is a plain-spoken, honest man who reeks of integrity. The last thing he'd do is play politics rather than telling the truth. But you'd have no way of knowing that, because you know nothing of the man, and never served with him.
You tell me the man had years in the sandbox, drove/rode over IEDS etc. The man has ZERO VALOR AWARDS. Hell Gen Emerson got his 2nd DSC as an O-6 Brigade CO. I had Gen Singlaub as a boss when he was Chief SOG. Yes, he was OSS WWII and Korean War before RVN. I would not serve with a man like him. The end.
More bullshit.
You know nothing of the man. Nothing. Every single time I've asked where you served with him, or how you know him, you've ducked the question. You just smear him because he doesn't have a Navy Cross or MOH.
Maybe you're just a doggie who doesn't like Marines. Whatever the reason...complete garbage.
It’s the Hill reporting on a Politico farce story.
Fake news about fake news.
One reason why I doubt the accuracy of the story is that if the relationship between the President and Kelly is as bad as they say then Kelly wouldn’t still be there. He’s not the kind of guy who would put up with the situation that was described.
I have reviewed your Free Republic posts and anyone can see you are a self professed know it all on every subject. From women to explosives to engineering and on and on. YOUR SICK.
The damn Gen has not been in real combat. He has been in a war zone.
The legion of merit is NOT a valor award period. You know why marines wear a V.
I actually served with (then) Major Kelly for nearly a year, within a comparatively small group of instructors who worked with each other on a daily basis. You could not have found a single officer in that group who didn't have the utmost respect for his integrity and dedication to his job. And without a hint of the ego that sometimes comes after a guy gets his gold oak leaf.
You know nothing of the man. You've never served with him, or even met him. You're not even from the same branch of the service. Yet, you call him a "PC Punk".
You're speaking out of a part of your body from which usually only vile sounds emanate. That isn't a good look for anyone.
When you serve in peacetime for a year with a man regardless of how well you think you know him-you have no idea how he will react under fire. You think you know how good he will be -but you do not. Five men I had for classmates in Infantry OCS volunteered for Special Forces. We went through the same airborne course, the same SF officers course and flew over to Vietnam on the same plane from Travis AFB. To a man we all wanted to get to the 5th Group and 4 of us talked about volunteering for C&C Detachment (code for MACVSOG), I was the only one to volunteer for it. Yes, two went to A teams for 5-6 months and then went to SOG units. My point is I thought I knew these men.
You think the General is great. I do not. I refer you to your “doggie” jargon and men like me get along with Force Recon and real Marine combat types-not REMF jarheads,
The Army had Generals like Eldon Bargewell in Iraq. He had a DSC as an EM in Vietnam with two tours in MACVSOG. Also, LTG William Tangney was at SOCOM and he was the last man to have a job I had as CCS northern launch site CO.
Your ignorance suggests you never saw combat as a company CO. It is you who blows smoke from the wrong hole. I worry about men who post that they served in their bio and brag about a Gen who has never been with his EM/NCO’s when the damn bullets zing.
Great post. What a lesson in duty, service, integrity, bravery. And temperment as well.
Thanks for it, and for your service.
He's basically been the exact opposite. Rather than kissing Obama's butt, he butted heads continuously with the Obama Administration. On Gitmo, on women in combat, about the porous borders, and about the conduct of U.S. troops. Here's a couple of articles -- you can certainly find more on your own:
http://digg.com/2016/john-kelly-trump-homeland-security
https://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/12/john-kelly-department-of-homeland-security-trump-232210
Your ignorance suggests you never saw combat as a company CO.
You're right -- I didn't. That's because I was in artillery. I did earn as a captain my CAR, and got my Navy Comm. with V. Probably makes me deserving of a BCD in your eyes because it's not some inflated DSC, but that's all irrelevant anyway.
Bottom line is that you've been smearing a guy with whom you've never served, and never even met, without even offering a single bit of evidence that he's PC, much less a punk. It is as though you have a built-in bias against anyone not old enough to have served in combat in Vietnam, which makes you a thoroughly unpleasant, narrow-minded individual.
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