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Cop accidentally kills security guard at bar in Chicago suburbs
Fox News ^ | 11/12/18 | Bradford Betz

Posted on 11/12/2018 11:00:22 AM PST by Drew68

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To: carriage_hill

That seems like a traumatic incident.

I still don’t see what would be wrong with the police simply not shooting hell out of everyone they see with a gun, as an alternative.


21 posted on 11/12/2018 12:35:36 PM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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To: Drew68
How not to get mistaken for the bad guy when the cops show up and see a gun in your hand.

Not being black would probably help.

22 posted on 11/12/2018 12:36:16 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: The Toad

Ex brother in law was a cop. He quit, and I asked why. He said he was getting the “cop attitude” hanging around only cops, drinking with them, etc. I asked him what he meant. He said there are two types of people, cops and their families and perps. He explained a perp was someone who committed a crime or would commit a crime. I asked if I was a perp and he said yes. He said that type of thinking eventually made him sick, to see his fellow cops treating everyone they dealt with as a perp.


23 posted on 11/12/2018 12:38:32 PM PST by TStro (Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6)
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To: Hugh the Scot

I’d agree with that, unless the gun gets purposely/accidentally points at the cops.


24 posted on 11/12/2018 12:39:14 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Leaning Right

I’d agree with that, too.


25 posted on 11/12/2018 12:40:06 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Drew68

511 murders YTD in Chicago and cops shoot a security guard.


26 posted on 11/12/2018 12:43:02 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Drew68

511 murders YTD in Chicago and cops shoot a security guard.


27 posted on 11/12/2018 12:43:03 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Malsua
I’m guessing this security guard looked pretty much like the patrons. Not that it should matter, but when you call the cops, you have to expect they will assume everyone is a bad guy.

Yeah, we can't actually expect cops to use any actual judgement before they open fire.

28 posted on 11/12/2018 12:44:33 PM PST by zeugma (Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
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To: carriage_hill

Nevertheless, the Founders would likely be appalled at our insouciant handing-over of our personal security to government agents, as well as the mindset that says “here are the actions that you, as an armed citizen must take in order for law-enforcement not to kill you.”

Leaving exceptions for which direction the weapon my “accidentally” be pointed (for the police only) is a glaring capitulation to the state.

Would you support armed citizens opening fire on law-enforcement officers who inadvertently or otherwise, point a weapon in their direction?... Of course you wouldn’t, and neither do I.

But it bears keeping in mind that a police officer is just another citizen, (except that he or she is in the employ of the state.) No more moral, or righteous, or valuable to their families and those who love them than you or I.

I may be out of the mainstream, but I abhor the very idea of contracting out my, or my family’s security to the state or it’s agents; especially if the cost of that contract is to place those state agents above and beyond the rest of the citizenry; and to imbue them with the power to take a man’s life based on poor or incomplete information, and then be held blameless for that action.


29 posted on 11/12/2018 12:54:22 PM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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To: Drew68

Nothing in the story about any dogs.

Why is this in breaking news? /S


30 posted on 11/12/2018 12:56:44 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: carriage_hill

Whoa.

I have a friend who was a Brinks Guard.

Some dummy tried to rob him and he turned the guy into worm food.


31 posted on 11/12/2018 12:59:24 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: Hugh the Scot

No argument with most of that.

But today’s reality is what it is, and we do what we have to do to try not to get killed.

With BLM/intifa etc etc etc ambushing and killing so many cops, I can’t blame them, to a degree. But I’ve seem some videos of cops’ blatant murder of citizens. I’ve also had some LEO friends and first-time LEO meets, who I tell I’m carrying concealed, and they have no problem with it.


32 posted on 11/12/2018 1:08:04 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Vendome

+1 for your friend. That’s his job. I hate robbers, thieves, murderers and rapists; just as soon see all of them dead.


33 posted on 11/12/2018 1:09:31 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: carriage_hill

I bet You’re careful about
scratching your Back.


34 posted on 11/12/2018 1:37:22 PM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: Zeneta

not true.


35 posted on 11/12/2018 1:41:31 PM PST by Chickensoup (Never count on anyone, ever.)
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To: Chickensoup

Actually true.

Sorry.

There’s a huge difference between Armed and unarmed security.

Unarmed are mostly former felons that just need a job.


36 posted on 11/12/2018 1:48:36 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta

Well, perhaps where you are, but here, it is mostly college football players, wrestlers, and construction guys moonlighting.

Heck my son bounced for a while because he doesn’t partcularly like to drink but enjoyed the scene.


37 posted on 11/12/2018 1:51:22 PM PST by Chickensoup (Never count on anyone, ever.)
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To: carriage_hill

No, just holster and state clearly who you are “”security”” etc. All that extraneous motion will be mistaken for threatening actions.


38 posted on 11/12/2018 1:51:58 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: carriage_hill
"But today’s reality is what it is, and we are a British colony, so we do what we have to do to try not to get killed." -Patrick Henry
39 posted on 11/12/2018 1:58:55 PM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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To: Zeneta

Bouncers maybe

Felons can not get jobs as armed security

Most of the armed security are cops


40 posted on 11/12/2018 2:53:07 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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