Posted on 08/17/2019 12:06:03 PM PDT by L.A.Justice
RIVERSIDE, Calif. — The firearm used in the deadly Riverside, California, shootout was an untraceable AR-15-type weapon assembled from separately acquired parts, commonly known as a “ghost gun,” a law enforcement source told CNN on Thursday.
“Ghost guns” are firearms manufactured without serial numbers, making them difficult for law enforcement authorities to trace, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Gun parts can be ordered online and assembled at home, the ATF said.
Riverside Police only describe the firearm as “a possible semi-automatic rifle,” spokesman Ryan Railsback told CNN. “It has not been sent out to the crime lab yet for evidence collection or ballistics testing, and has not been evaluated by the California Department of Justice or ATF for retracing (its) history.”
Authorities say Aaron Luther killed California Highway Patrol Officer Andre Moye and wounded two others in Monday’s shootout in Riverside. Luther, an ex-convict, was shot during the exchange of fire and was pronounced dead at a hospital.
Moye was shot after pulling over a vehicle near I-215 and Eastridge Avenue. He managed to put out a call for help, which brought officers from CHP, Riverside Police and the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department to the scene, who exchanged gunfire with the suspect.
Moye served as a CHP officer for nearly three years and was assigned to Riverside after graduating from the CHP Academy in 2017, a release from California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s office said. Moye is survived by his wife, parents, and siblings, the release said.
It is not known whether any parts of Luther’s gun had specific manufacturer markings, according to CNN’s source.
Los Angeles has seen an increase in the number of ghost guns, the LAPD said in a statement released in 2018. Detectives often recover ghost guns, particularly in the form of semi-automatic 9mm pistols, at various scenes of criminal activity, according to the LAPD.
Ghost guns are “particularly useful to individuals who are banned by police from owning traditionally purchased guns,” allowing owners to sidestep the legal system requiring gun registration, according to a Utah State University paper published earlier this year.
It’s not known how many ghost guns are in the US today, though one regional ATF office in California obtained 250 ghost guns in 2017 alone, the paper noted.
For informational purposes. 80 percent lowers:
https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=80+percent+lowers&cat=web&pl=ext-chrome&language=english
Way beyond a problem here a whole industry in the Philippines and elsewhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCRfX_Z0P0c
There's a big market in 80% receivers. They have not been finished to the extent that ATFE considers them a firearm and are therefore exempt from SN requirements. They are sold primarily to private individuals that want to make their own firearm, which is a completely legal activity (unless the individual is already a prohibited person, barred from owning a firearm).
*** requires that all AR-15 lower receivers have a serial number, the manufacturer’s name and so forth. ***
Beat me to it. Thx for posting for those who might not know.
That’s only if you are going to sell it.
They have no jurisdiction over a firearm you manufacture yourself.
You can purchase an AR lower receiver that is incomplete and finish machining it yourself. All you need is a jig and a drill press.
"Ghost guns are “particularly useful to individuals who are banned by police from owning traditionally purchased guns,” allowing owners to sidestep the legal system requiring gun registration, according to a Utah State University paper published earlier this year."
"Ghost guns" don't "allow" anything of the sort. If one is prohibited from possessing a firearm, no manner of acquisition or manufacture makes it "allowable." It's no more legal than stealing a gun from a lawful gun owner.
Sorry. I didn’t know that they registered their ghost guns.
““Ghost guns” are firearms manufactured without serial numbers, making them difficult for law enforcement authorities to trace,...”
EXACTLY!
I’m not an expert, but I have been reading up on this and it’s a special “right from God, protected by the constitution, to be able to manufacture your own guns.
Ar-15s, Glock hand guns, all types of revolvers, are able to be legally made and possessed. As long as you can get the all the parts to finish them, many types are readily available online.
They come with instructions and jigs (templates) for completing the 20% of the manufacture. No serial numbers, no registration. The “gubmit” doesn’t know that you have them.
Yes, you don't need any gun pieces anyway. You will be ordering those parts things that are attached to the top of the gun that go up!!!
80% lowers
Are the Exception.
The lower receiver is serial numbered and requires an FFL (Feral Firearms license) to purchase.
Thus the birth of the 80% finished receiver.They’re not required to have a serial number,but a few machining steps complete the receiver for use in a complete firearm.
“gubmit” doesn’t know that you have them.
Don’t use a credit card to purchase.
Could be one of Obama and Eric Holders guns.
I have an old article, from fifty years ago, on guns made by inmates in the California penal system. One looks just like a sub machine gun. The magazine and the cases for bullets were also handmade behind prison walls.
Except for 80%
Lowers.
There’s a lot more to all of these laws, but there’s no way the MSM would ever put anyone that knows them, can explain them in a clear & simple manner and provide proof
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In Calif, the laws are changing so fast, and the Dept of ‘Justice’ is so inept and slow, that I would say No one knows the law on a particular matter.
Sometimes an issue has to go to court for a legal and judicial ruling (depends on your lawyer’s skill and the judges bias/ignorance).
It will change depending on which DOJ employee you talk to.
LEOs know lots less than the average gun enthusiast, but they are in control.
Internet opinions and mistakes abound.
FFL gun dealers have different opinions on application of the laws and regulations, and they conduct their transactions accordingly.
These are all people who are trying to obey the law; there are severe consequences (for the normal citizen).
Everything changes when someone violates the law, games the system, lies on the 4473, etc.
So shooters, the trying to be legal, normal ones, stay below the radar, keep to their own kind, etc. just to survive (for the short present time).
Fun fact: felons and other prohibited persons cannot be compelled to “register” firearms in their possession, given the Constitutional protection against self-incrimination.
“....Thus the birth of the 80% finished receiver.They’re not required to have a serial number, but a few machining steps complete the receiver for use in a complete firearm....”
My understanding is that the machining and assembly is to be done only the intended owner and for that owner’s personal use only. I cannot make one for you, nor can you make one for me. Neither of us can make one to sell...it’s limited to an unprohibited individual’s personal use only. So if this jackass used one to commit a crime and he didn’t actually make it, he’s in even deeper shite...like a criminal ever really cares. IF he didn’t make it, it was stolen or whoever made it for him is also in deep shite.
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