Juan de Oñate statue to be removed following shooting during protest (NM) (Albuquerque)

KOB 4, (NBC affiliate in Albuquerque) ^ | Updated: June 15, 2020 10:43 PM | Justine Lopez & Megan Abundis

[LegendHasIt]

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - A protester was shot at Tiguex Park Monday evening during a demonstration that called for the removal of a Juan de Oñate statue, "La Jornada", outside the Albuquerque Museum.

The injured man has been transported to the hospital for treatment. He is listed in critical but stable condition.

Someone’s been shot. Multiple people calling 911. Chaos. pic.twitter.com/jxNjIvYJuf

— Megan Abundis (@meganrabundis) June 16, 2020

Moments before protesters were about to remove the statue with a chain, a struggle broke out among the crowd.

Video footage shows the protesters directing their attention toward a man brandishing a gun.

"Get his license plate," screamed one protester in the video. "Follow him."

A group of protesters pulled the subject to the ground. After a few seconds of struggle, the subject shot his gun four times.

Police officers in riot gear arrived shortly afterwards.

A number of members with the New Mexico Civil Guard, a self-described militia, were seen being arrested along with the subject who fired at the protesters.

Law enforcement deployed tear gas and non-lethal projectiles to try to push back the group of protesters.

Protesters continued to try to pull down the statue of Oñate while others attempted to let air out of the tires of police transport vans.

At around 9:20 p.m., the crowd began to disperse—leaving the statue intact.

An investigation is currently underway.

Tear gas. Very loud Flash bang. Non lethal projectiles in a matter of seconds. pic.twitter.com/d5hgKwEZjS — Megan Abundis (@meganrabundis) June 16, 2020

Mayor Tim Keller sent the following statement after Monday's shooting:

“The shooting tonight was a tragic, outrageous and unacceptable act of violence and it has no place in our city. Our diverse community will not be deterred by acts meant to divide or silence us. Our hearts go out the victim, his family and witnesses whose lives were needlessly threatened tonight. This sculpture has now become an urgent matter of public safety. In order to contain the public safety risk, the City will be removing the statue until the appropriate civic institutions can determine next steps.”

The governor's office also sent a statement about the incident:

“Although we are still learning more about the situation, I am horrified and disgusted beyond words by the reports of violence at a protest Monday night in Albuquerque. The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a “civil guard,” were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force. To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry – with an implicit threat of violence – is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.

“I am monitoring the situation; my administration is in touch with local officials; the individual who was injured is in my prayers, and I am thinking of their family and friends.

“Let me clear: There is absolutely no space in New Mexico for any violent would-be ‘militia’ seeking to terrorize New Mexicans; and there is no space for violence of any kind on our streets and in our communities, or for any sort of escalation of reckless, violent rhetoric, no matter who strikes first. The instigators this evening will be rooted out, they will be investigated, and they will be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.”

[dp0622]

the subject shot his gun four times...

i hope the gun lived

and the mayor was sickened and disgusted and outraged and the usual crap about the gunshots but a statue being torn down...no biggie.

we are letting open rebellion go unpunished. sanctuary cities? no biggie says the supreme court.

ripping down statues..which we decried when muzzies did it in the middle east...no biggie

taking over part of a city...no biggie.

generals shamelessly going against the POTUS...no biggie

So what exactly is a biggie these days?

[oldbrowser]

Truth be known, almost all of the old families of New Mexico are going to be related to the conquistadors of the 16th century. and probably many of the indian cultures of the time.
I don't recall the name of the investigator that did extensive ancestry tracking but the name of his book was called "somos primos", We are all cousins.

[no-s]

"After his last expedition, he was tried for his brutal treatment of the Ácoma; which banished him from the New Mexico territory. "

And so they put up a statue in his honor in NM?

I don’t get it either.

The revisionists have been at the history and garbled it all up in the name of political correctness. Juan de Oñate founded Santa Fe and El Paso, and other Spanish cities in New Mexico, so he's really a historic figure (he married the granddaughter of Montezuma too).

The Spanish of that era were pretty brutal. Juan de Oñate did order harsh treatment and reprisals for the Acoma after they massacred of squad of his troops. However the trial 10 years later was probably political, because the Spanish of early New Mexico were not particularly moved by the plight of the natives and kept on with similar treatment until the Pueblo Revolts in 1680, when all the Spaniards were thrown out of New Mexico after a massacre at the hands of a Pueblo-Apache alliance.

Interestingly Internet history on the Pueblo Revolt now reports the Pueblos were re-conquered by the Spanish; An earlier history from first person accounts (including the Pueblo Indians) reported the Pueblo Indians suffered worse from the Apache and sent an envoy asking the Spanish to return and protect them from the suffering. Considering the devious nature of Spanish rule it might be reasonable to question this but of course, Señor, there is no evidence to say otherwise...

[CedarDave]

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Vanity - Raw Footage - NsFW: New Mexico National guardsman [civilian militia] Apparently Arrested After Altercation and Shooting

Antifa Tries To Hit A Man Over The Head With Skateboard Gets Shot

Video: Antifa Punk Smashes Man In Face With Skateboard, Victim Shoots Attacker In Self Defense – MSM Airs Another Video To Push Gun Control Propaganda

Juan de Oñate statue to be removed following shooting during protest (NM) (Albuquerque)

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[The Toll]

They are free to destroy history. Try to stop them and you go to jail.

[laplata]

Thank you CedarDave.

[CedarDave]

Most recent ABQ Journal story:

Former council candidate charged in protest shooting (ABQ NM statue removal protest)

[piasa]

The author changed what happened- there was no “struggle” in the crowd with someone brandishing a weapon, there was instead someone getting clobbered by a guy with a skateboard as a weapon...

[piasa]

He drew his weapon after being attacked with a skateboard and being pursued while trying to leave.

[LegendHasIt]

Cedar Dave has a thread going here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3856206/posts?
with much updated information

[ETCM]

No, he drew it while he was still over by the statue, and then began to retreat. He was followed and attacked about 50-100 yards away from where he initially drew the gun. In one video, it appeared he was involved in or caught up in some kind of scuffle by the statue that resulted in a woman being knocked to the ground. Really hard to tell just how it started, but by the time he fired his weapon, it was definitely self defense.

[jonrick46]

I imagine you have to do a lot of digging to get the true story of Juan de Oñate. This of course, is ignored and Google is not helpful; making it easy to get out the Cultural Marxist twist.

Thanks for your good information. The problem is, now that this thread has suffered the death of time, few will get your post.

[no-s]

I imagine you have to do a lot of digging to get the true story of Juan de Oñate.

Yes, but it was interesting. There's no doubt about it - by our standards, it was hideous. By the standards of the time? Pretty normal.

Actually I did some more digging and found that Oñate was descended matrilineally from Conversos - Jews forced to convert to Christianity. Making him Jewish by some standards. He was also Basque. I imagine he was subjected to quite a bit of discrimination and became a Conquistador to improve his station out of the box. And his wife was the great-granddaughter of Montezuma and the granddaughter of Cortés, so he married up. His son became Governor and left office when Oñate lost his case and returned to Spain, Thus I speculate there was some political element to it. Certainly cutting off feet in reprisal and massacre of Pueblo Indians was popular long after Oñate as it was cited in the Pueblo Revolt.

[SunkenCiv]

• Video: Antifa Punk Smashes Man In Face With Skateboard, Victim Shoots Attacker In Self Defense – MSM Airs Another Video To Push Gun Control Propaganda

[Scottar]

You missed that part that set the crowd off. Steven Baca violently pushed some women protester for what is not clear. That is when the crowd went after him.

Still they should have just let the police handle it in stead of going vigilante. Baca was forced to defend himself when they chased after him and threatened his life..

What further confounds the incident is the Governor has a mandatory distancing mandate and a mandatory mask mandate, and not one word from Grisham about the violation the protesters did against that mandate, instead she praised them.

If it was conservatives protesting she probably would have them all arrested and fined if not jailed. Such if the hypocrisy of the governor and Mayor Keller. But Baca got himself kicked out of the National Guard for some infringement so he had some issues also.

[Scottar]

That’s about what I heard on the local talk show KKOB.

[Scottar]

That’s why the Acoma hate him. Perhaps if they had a statue showing him cutting the feet of those warriors with a sardonic grin on his face the Acoma would be more appeased as to the accuracy of history. Those who forget their history, good and bad, will have no future.

Wasn’t it Andrew Jackson that also did an atrocity against the Cherokee known as the “Trail of Tears”

[jonrick46]

Andrew Jackson was responsible for removing Indians from their ancestral lands. It was brutal and when the Cherokee Nation took this action against them to the Supreme Court, they won their case that Georgia had no jurisdiction over the Cherokees and no claim to their lands. DemonRAT President Jackson ignored this ruling and ordered federal troops to Georgia to remove the tribes forcibly. 20,000 Cherokees were marched westward at gunpoint on the infamous Trail of Tears.

Shall we remove this image of Jackson off our money?

[marktwain]

No mention the shooter was attacked with a skateboard, pursued, and brought down to the ground before he shot one of his attackers. There is video of the shooting. Watch for the green skateboard.

[Tunehead54]

Thanks for the background info,

Your point that “Juan de Oñate founded Santa Fe and El Paso” by itself explains the reason for the statue. History will continue to be revised but at least we have a few experts on our side.

Without any evidence to present without writing a book I do wonder to what extent yanking all the confederate memorials isn’t meant to erase the Dem links to the basis of slavery and its support throughout history including support for slavery, the civil war, the Klan, Jim Crowe laws, segregation, the fight against the Civil Rights laws, Robert Byrd, etc.

Thanks again.