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ATF Agents, Officer Show Up ‘Warrantless’ To Demand Info On Man’s Guns
The Daily Caller ^ | 7/20/2022 | Brianna Lyman

Posted on 07/21/2022 5:46:18 AM PDT by Shane

Two Delaware ATF agents and a Delaware state trooper showed up seemingly warrantless, in tactical gear, to a man’s home and demanded he prove he did not make a straw purchase, a video posted Wednesday appears to show.

Frankie Stockes of the National File shared the video, and reported that the agents were “warrantless.” The agents were trying to ensure no straw purchases were made. A straw purchase is when an individual buys a gun for someone else.

“All I’m doing is verifying that you have it, you got two different purchases,” an unidentified agent can be heard saying in the video, which was captured by a Ring camera. “If you have them, I’m out of here. That’s how quick it is. Yeah. Do you have them with you by any chance?”

“They’re in my safe,” the homeowner said.

“If you can unload them and bring them out, we can go out to your foyer here, check them out, write the serial numbers and we’re out of here,” the agent responded.

“That’s it?” the homeowner asked.

“Yep,” the agent said before a second unidentified agent jumped in and said, “It will take five seconds.”

A third individual, who appears to be a state trooper, said “the reason we’re out here is obviously gun violence is at an uptick. We want to make sure – we’ve been having a lot of issues with straw purchases. One of the things, indicators we get is someone making a large gun purchase, and then a lot of times, we’ve been there and ‘oh, those guns got taken.'”

“The idea is that when you purchase more than two guns at a time it generates a multiple sales report and it comes to us and we have to check them out,” the first agent then added. “That’s all that is. You did nothing wrong – absolutely zero. I noticed you were stopped in Philly though with one of your guns?”

ATF agents and a #Delaware state cop show up warrantless at a man’s home demanding to see his firearms. #2A pic.twitter.com/NBGGrufeRD

— Frankie Stockes – Reporter (@stockes76) July 20, 2022

“We’ll wait if you feel more comfortable,” the trooper then said.

“I’m okay. I just – I didn’t expect,” the homeowner began before the first agent interjected.

“Oh no. It just came up. We came here, look, I’m telling you. There’s an email from the federal side saying can you make sure this guy’s got his guns. If you recently purchased a whole bunch of guns, if we can look at them and just scratch them off,” the agent said before the homeowner said he does have all his guns.

“We can look at them and write which ones you just bought, so we can save a trip from coming back,” the second agent said. “We’ll confirm that you have them.”

The homeowner retreated inside, while outside the trooper, seemingly unaware he’s on camera, said, “He doesn’t believe we’re cops.”

“I don’t blame him,” the first agent said.

pic.twitter.com/elWf8e5LSr

— Frankie Stockes – Reporter (@stockes76) July 20, 2022

The homeowner brought out one rifle and one of the agents checked the serial number before saying it wasn’t necessary for the homeowner to retrieve any more guns, according to The Truth About Guns. (RELATED: ‘I Will Go Down With The Ship If Need Be’: Sheriff Says He Will Not Give FBI Info On Legal Gun Owners)

The homeowner, who has chosen to remain anonymous, said the situation was embarrassing, according to the report.

“I was embarrassed,” the homeowner reportedly said. “My neighbors saw the whole thing – guys in these police vests standing in my yard. I was really uncomfortable. I felt really confused, like I was in some way being accused of something even though I didn’t commit a crime. It was quite embarrassing. I knew they couldn’t come in, but I didn’t know what to do. I didn’t want to get put on some watch list.”

“I felt like they were invading my privacy.”

A spokesperson for the ATF said they “are unable to comment on the details of any ongoing investigations; however, interviews are an entirely appropriate part of the investigative process for any law enforcement agency.”

The agency would neither confirm nor deny the incident, and would not provide details as to whether the agents had warrants and if not, whether that is protocol.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: atf; atfindelaware; banglist; batfe; biden; rkba; wheresthewarrant
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Try this:
https://dailycaller.com/2022/07/20/delaware-atf-agents-trooper-guns-home/


21 posted on 07/21/2022 6:08:19 AM PDT by Shane (When Injustice Becomes Law, RESISTANCE Becomes DUTY.----T.Jefferson )
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To: Shane

I would tell them they have all the information available they need on me in their computers. I’m clean, and purchased my firearms legally. If you think differently, get a warrant, then expect a lawsuit. Now please leave my property.


22 posted on 07/21/2022 6:09:02 AM PDT by USAF1985 (Joe McCarthy is a hero...he was absolutely, 100% correct! (Let’s go Brandon!))
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To: Shane

3 questions and one statement:
1) Am I under arrest?
2) Am I being detained?
3) Do you have a warrant?

If the answer to these 3 questions is no, state for the record:
Have a nice day.
Close door


23 posted on 07/21/2022 6:09:34 AM PDT by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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> Cops can ask you pretty much anything they want <

Permit me to add something to my post #10. And when asking, cops are generally allowed to lie. As in, “Someone saw you holding a rifle with a silencer. We just want to check to see that your rifle doesn’t have a silencer.”

Your response of course should be, “Please show me a search warrant.”


24 posted on 07/21/2022 6:10:11 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: joe fonebone

4) You are free to go and get the heck off my doorstep.


25 posted on 07/21/2022 6:10:39 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Lurker

... then add: “You may go now” (delivered as Val Kilmer did to Billy Bob Thornton in “Tombstone”)


26 posted on 07/21/2022 6:14:30 AM PDT by glennaro (Live life unbullied and unafraid. Choose to ignore or fight the irrationality that surrounds you.)
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To: Leaning Right

Yes. But Joe Shmoe American can easily get rattled. That’s why expect this for any gun owner, esp. here on FR. It’s easy to play internet lawyer but I’m sure some Freepers, scared of being on the gubmint’ sh*t list, will comply..


27 posted on 07/21/2022 6:19:30 AM PDT by max americana (Fired leftards at work since 2008 at every election just to see them cry. I hate them all.)
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To: Shane
"A third individual, who appears to be a state trooper, said “the reason we’re out here is obviously gun violence is at an uptick. We want to make sure – we’ve been having a lot of issues with straw purchases. One of the things, indicators we get is someone making a large gun purchase..."

Then find a judge who believes that making a large purchase amounts to probable cause and get him to sign off on a warrant. Otherwise...get off my lawn.

28 posted on 07/21/2022 6:20:52 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Magnum44
"Trying to track down straw purchasers may not be intimidation, ..."

What do you think will be going through this guy's mind when he goes to make his next gun purchase? This IS intimidation, and it's intentional.

29 posted on 07/21/2022 6:21:15 AM PDT by LIConFem (Read up on Russia's Oct, 1917 Revolution... And prepare.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Already covered here, https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4079860/posts, thanks.
30 posted on 07/21/2022 6:25:38 AM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
They sound like Nazis to me.

That, or somebody's whores sent out to do their bidding. And, to whomever sent them out, control crime. Not guns. Bring back the gallows. Bring back the guillotine. Execute these animals in public. The real criminals who are causing the trouble. Get tough on criminals and the (imaginary, inflated) gun issue takes care of itself.

Oh. Wait. 3/57 and 13/95. Got it. Too much racial disparity in enforcing laws and that demographic is currently (white liberal) America's pet dog.

And dogs are somehow sacred in today's liberal America. Got it.

31 posted on 07/21/2022 6:25:46 AM PDT by LouAvul (Complacency is the enemy of courage.)
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To: Shane
Two things can be true at once:

1) Cops can come to your door without a warrant and ask you anything they'd like.

2) You can tell them to go scratch.

32 posted on 07/21/2022 6:27:45 AM PDT by thefactor
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To: Shane

https://dailycaller.com/2022/07/20/delaware-atf-agents-trooper-guns-home/


33 posted on 07/21/2022 6:28:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Contempt for pre-born human life breeds contempt for post-born human life.)
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To: Shane
My first suspicion would be that the Feds lost a few handguns and are looking at individuals who purchased several of the same make and model to see if they traded some out for the ones the Feds lost.

It's not like Feds keep guns issued to them from falling into the hands of homeless illegal aliens who murder innocent women...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kate-steinle-trial-features-testimony-from-agent-whose-stolen-gun-was-used-in-shooting

"Agent John Woychowski Jr. took the stand Thursday in the trial of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, who's charged with killing Steinle on July 1, 2015 on Pier 14 in San Francisco. Woychowski works for the Bureau of Land Management and was issued a company weapon."

34 posted on 07/21/2022 6:28:55 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: unixfox

Precisely,we are in for the fight of our lives.


35 posted on 07/21/2022 6:30:09 AM PDT by Shane (When Injustice Becomes Law, RESISTANCE Becomes DUTY.----T.Jefferson )
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To: LIConFem

Again, it depends on whether the officers believed he was a straw purchaser. If he wasnt, then its intimidation. If he was or was genuinely suspected, then the ATF was out of line to pursue without asking a judge for a warrant and justification for the request of a warrant.

As to this guys next purchase, if the ATF came to me with the same scenario, it would have no effect on my next purchase decision.

I am not necessarily disagreeing with you. I am just not assuming the facts.


36 posted on 07/21/2022 6:31:56 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: max americana

> Yes. But Joe Shmoe American can easily get rattled. <

Fair point. To which I’d add, most folks don’t understand exactly what their rights are, and how to exercise them. So it’s often a case of, “I guess I’m supposed to comply.”

At one time, I certainly was one of those folks. What really got me thinking was this excellent video, “Do not talk to the police.” It’s an awesome presentation given by a law professor.

https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

I also think politeness or civility should play a part when exercising your rights. I guess you could yell, “Get off my property, now!” But I’d prefer to say something like, “You don’t have a warrant. Come back when you have a warrant. Have a nice day, officers.” Then I’d go back inside.


37 posted on 07/21/2022 6:32:53 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Leaning Right

“What really got me thinking was this excellent video, “Do not talk to the police.”

Yup. We at FR already knew of that video for a decade before the left also started watching it, for their own lefty purposes.


38 posted on 07/21/2022 6:35:29 AM PDT by max americana (Fired leftards at work since 2008 at every election just to see them cry. I hate them all.)
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To: Leaning Right
What if they show up without displaying law enforcement badging or providing credentials?

This whole thing stinks from top to bottom and the intimidation the homeowner felt with allegedly federal/state law enforcement in front of his home and on his lawn for all his neighbors to see probably cannot be overstated here...

My own opinion of course.

39 posted on 07/21/2022 6:38:32 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: PROCON

Cool, and thank you.

Also, check out the vids in #19.


40 posted on 07/21/2022 6:43:23 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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