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B-17 bomber and a smaller plane collide at Dallas airshow
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Posted on 11/12/2022 12:11:57 PM PST by janetjanet998

B-17 bomber and a smaller plane collide at Dallas airshow


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KEYWORDS: airshow; aviation; texas; traed; tragedy
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To: null and void

You are correct... The Bell P-63 King Cobra (it was NOT a P-51 Mustang), suffered poor visibility, and was in a left banking maneuver (in this case, aka turning final, to be aligned for a pass down the runway) that caused the pilot to be unable to see the B-17 until the last second when the tip of the bomber’s left wing tip became visible through the front windshield of the P-63. By the time the P-63 pilot was able to see that wingtip, there no time to react. Very sad situation, and I doubt very seriously that is was intentional or a suicide. Prayers go up for the families of the 5 crewmembers of the B-17, as well as the family of the pilot of the P-63...


141 posted on 11/12/2022 4:08:08 PM PST by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3 YH TV)
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To: aklurker

It is my understanding that this B-17 was indeed the Texas Raider, but was not carrying any passengers at the time. There were 5 crewmembers on board at the time of the incident.


142 posted on 11/12/2022 4:11:58 PM PST by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3 YH TV)
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To: GingisK

Except this wasn’t a P-51... It was a Bell P-63 King Cobra.


143 posted on 11/12/2022 4:17:07 PM PST by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3 YH TV)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I see that now. Thank you for pointing that out. I was under the impression that the fighter didn’t rise above the bombed until it got close.


144 posted on 11/12/2022 4:18:34 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Raven6
Except this wasn’t a P-51... It was a Bell P-63 King Cobra.

Yes, I noticed that way back in the early two-digit numbered posts in this thread, and that came before many others caught on.

145 posted on 11/12/2022 4:20:25 PM PST by GingisK
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To: golux

Bell p63 from what I read.


146 posted on 11/12/2022 4:21:19 PM PST by SueRae (An administration like no other.)
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To: allblues

Bell P63 from what I read.


147 posted on 11/12/2022 4:22:16 PM PST by SueRae (An administration like no other.)
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To: janetjanet998

6 feared dead


148 posted on 11/12/2022 4:25:13 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: Mr Rogers
Exactly... Thank you. No power plant or fuselage is transparent. I had instructor pilots try to talk me into using their services by saying their Pipers had better visibility when turning base and final. I replied with "if you know how to use your watch and bank indicator correctly, you can do it just as cleanly in a Cessna... and have a better view in level flight. If I'm flying VFR, I like a view!" I feel sad for all involved, but those talking about "intentional", or "suicide", or talking about visibility from the pilot seat, just don't understand the average pilot mindset, or actual visibility involved when you drop your butt into that seat. I've sat in a F-86, P-47, P-51D, and yes, even a P-63. And the video linked in this thread from the P-51 pilot's POV were shot with a wide angle lens on a camera mounted on top of the pilot's helmet - the real view looks nowhere close to what is shown.
149 posted on 11/12/2022 4:50:16 PM PST by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3 YH TV)
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To: Robe

They were able to restore another?
When Fifi was at Midland’s CAF, I was able to walk through her.. was amazing. (That was almost 3 decades ago though)


150 posted on 11/12/2022 4:53:59 PM PST by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: pfflier

I wasn’t aware that they were able to reassemble another. I do remember that Fifi was the only one flying when I saw her. Maybe remember something about them cannibalizing other 29s to build another (which I thought that is what they did to build Fifi). (Like I mentioned in the previous post, it has been almost 3 decades since I walked through Fifi.)


151 posted on 11/12/2022 4:57:31 PM PST by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: GingisK

I was a flight instructor in the Navy and we practiced breakups and rendezvous all the time - day, night and using NVDs

Losing sight of the lead happens - especially when coming in at too acute an angle and the pilot has to increase angle of bank to get into position - not a good feeling.


152 posted on 11/12/2022 5:00:42 PM PST by Francis McClobber
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To: Bikkuri

There is an almost airworthy B29 in a wonderful museum in Pueblo Colorado.


153 posted on 11/12/2022 5:11:31 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Francis McClobber

Yeah. I guess we non-flyers need to consider how easy it is to lose sight of another car behind a windshield pillar. Then consider fast movers.


154 posted on 11/12/2022 5:13:19 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Bikkuri

Doc was restored in Wichita, certified as airworthy in time for the 2018 air show season. It’s nice to finally see FiFi fly in formation with another B-29.


155 posted on 11/12/2022 5:30:58 PM PST by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Francis McClobber; Mr Rogers

May interest

Bell P39Q-15BE 44-2911 Airacobra recovered from Russian lake in 2004

https://lend-lease.net/articles-en/bell-p39q-15be-44-2911-airacobra/


156 posted on 11/12/2022 5:31:09 PM PST by linMcHlp
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To: Charles Martel

I wish I could have seen that..


157 posted on 11/12/2022 5:40:45 PM PST by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: linMcHlp

Aussie P-39 Airacobra – Emergency Defender

https://acesflyinghigh.wordpress.com/2014/02/12/aussie-p-39-airacobra-emergency-defender/


158 posted on 11/12/2022 5:46:25 PM PST by linMcHlp
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To: GingisK
Which ones in particular?

Maybe the one where a Freeper posted a friggin model of the wrong type of plane to argue that there is plenty of visibility under the aircraft.

159 posted on 11/12/2022 5:50:29 PM PST by Mr.Unique (My boss wants me to sign up for a 401K. No way I'm running that far! )
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To: janetjanet998

Photos of aircraft involved and tracking during show appears available on flightaware

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KRBD

N6763
N7227C


160 posted on 11/12/2022 6:28:41 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (Please Pray For My Brother Ken.)
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