Senate Republican says US needs to accept Ukraine will ‘cede some territory’ to Russia

The Hill via Yahoo ^ | December 10th, 2023 | Lauren Sforza

[Mariner]

Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio) said Sunday that the United States needs to accept that Ukraine will likely need to “cede some territory” to Russia to end the fighting.

Vance told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” that he is opposed to sending more aid to Ukraine because he does not believe the country will ever be able to overpower Russia. He questioned why sending billions in aid to Ukraine is going to help the country at this point in its war against Russia since previous aid has yet to end the war.

“What’s in America’s best interest is to accept Ukraine is going to have to cede some territory to the Russians and we need to bring this war to a close,” Vance said. “But when I think about the great human tragedy here, hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans innocent have been killed in this conflict, the thing that’s in our interest and in theirs is to stop the killing.”

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“The idea that Ukraine was going to throw Russia back to the 1991 border was preposterous, nobody actually believed it.”

“So what we’re saying to the president and really to the entire world is you need to articulate what the ambition is, what is $61 billion going to accomplish that $100 billion hasn’t,” he added.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

I have been in Japan, Hong Kong, Macao, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, but not Russia. I have very nice Russian friends here in the US. I worked in Cupertino for a year and have no desire to return to California.

At one time the US was hitching Russian rides in outer space, after Obama screwed up NASA. Now we have SpaceX, which may not be satisfied with CA forever.

[Stingray51]

Being an American, I have no position on the right or wrong of any of this. But I respect your acknowledgement of US meddling in Ukrainian politics.

It’s funny that in America, those most invested in Ukrainian victory are mostly those who also think that the J6 protests were a terrible thing because they (allegedly) threatened the US constitutional order (which of course, they did not, and the the real attack on the Constitution was the theft of the election…). It seems a bit ironic that the same people celebrate an actual revolution and overthrow of government in one country and call those events a peaceful protest, whereas in the other country they decry actual peaceful protests that presented zero prospect of extra-constitutional change as “insurrection” and other such nonsense. Interesting to think about the contrast, but the Left is not known for logical consistency.

[Mariner]

I told you to not post to me again.

Don’t do it.

[Firehath]

hubris vs hebrews

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4190149/posts?q=1&;page=1

* warning *

[Redmen4ever]

You started this thread, and it’s a discussion thread. This means people discuss matters.

My first post on this thread was not directed to you personally. It was one of several posts on what appeasement would communicate to Putin. Such is the nature of Free Republic.

As it wouldn’t be constructive to go into any more detail, let me simply repeat, thank you for your service.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

It doesn't say exactly which categories these 101 Laureates are in. There are only six categories, but multiple people can share a Nobel prize. John Clauser won the physics Nobel and then became a "climate change denier." I doubt they would have awarded a prize to him if they knew he would leave the plantation.

101 Nobel laureates call for global fossil fuel non-proliferation treaty