Posted on 12/10/2023 10:42:38 AM PST by Mariner
Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio) said Sunday that the United States needs to accept that Ukraine will likely need to “cede some territory” to Russia to end the fighting.
Vance told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” that he is opposed to sending more aid to Ukraine because he does not believe the country will ever be able to overpower Russia. He questioned why sending billions in aid to Ukraine is going to help the country at this point in its war against Russia since previous aid has yet to end the war.
“What’s in America’s best interest is to accept Ukraine is going to have to cede some territory to the Russians and we need to bring this war to a close,” Vance said. “But when I think about the great human tragedy here, hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans innocent have been killed in this conflict, the thing that’s in our interest and in theirs is to stop the killing.”
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“The idea that Ukraine was going to throw Russia back to the 1991 border was preposterous, nobody actually believed it.”
“So what we’re saying to the president and really to the entire world is you need to articulate what the ambition is, what is $61 billion going to accomplish that $100 billion hasn’t,” he added.
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In some of the areas, the population is predominately Russian.
One could make the case we need to cede parts of California to Mexico.
We have the power to keep what we have.
And did that treaty allow the USA to foster a coup that in 2014 toppled the democratically-elected government of Ukraine?
We may have the power, but we are not protecting our border. Would we be better off now if parts of CA were Mexico?
Believe me I live in Southern CA. AND this part of CA. is Mexico BELIEVE ME!!!
No elections....close Russian churches, no Russian speaking allowed...
It would be foolish to cede all that wealth.
Intrinsic wealth.
Russia needs to accept that it invaded a peaceful neighbor and stop hostilities immediately and pull back all troops into its own territory and give up Putins dream of reassembling the old soviet union.
Reagan made an agreement with Russia not to arm countries on Russia’s border in order for Russia to leave the European countries it was occupying. This worked great until Obama started arming Ukraine in 2014 and literally having the CIA topple another elected government that was semi friendly with Russia. (Imagine Russia arming Mexico not to mention Cuba). Not only that, Russian speaking areas of Ukraine was being bombed by third parties and not protected.
Obama/Biden stirred this pot (manipulated by the CIA?)and the result is tens of thousands of dead Ukrainian and Russian young men and civilians.
Plus, there is no way Russia will ever give up their only southern port.
Frankly, we should have been bringing Russia into the world economy and let them be to financially invested in peace to be doing something stupid..
I can't say anything will for certain, but the fact that they didn't succeed this time will have a discouraging effect. Also, time will give Ukraine a chance to rebuilt its economy and its defenses.
There's also the question of whether Russia really wants to try to digest unruly and anti-Russian Western Ukraine. When they decided they wanted part of Eastern Ukraine Russian leaders may have been captivated by the idea of conquering the whole country, but by now they many have recognized that it's a pipe dream.
Neither Putin, nor the current American regime will last forever, so there will be an opportunity to get beyond the current mess. Russia, the US, and Europe may come to realize that Ukraine is a useful bridge between East and West, one that doesn't have to be and shouldn't be wholly Eastern or wholly Western.
You are spewing Kremlin talking points. Russia made and ratified a treaty, and they should keep it, just like the rest of the world.
“From the Uke friendly, no territorial loss, Zelensky negotiated and Uniparty DC quashed March of ‘22 settlement to unconditional surrender.”
Do you have a link to that effect; that in March ‘22 Russia offered Ukraine a deal that Ukraine would NOT LOSE any of its territory? Also, that “the Uniparty” quashed it?
Post that link here.
“...appeasement is taken as a sign of weakness, and results in more war.”
It was ever thus.
I support troops on the border.
See I’m a real conservative, I’d deport the illegals AND defend Europe from Putin.
“Russia already agreed by treaty to borders with Ukraine, and shouldn’t be allowed to overcome the treaty by aggression. Or they will do it again with the new treaty as soon as they find it convenient.”
The pro-Russia FReepers will insist, “But this time it will be different!”
“What treaty?”
The Russian-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty of 1997.
Did you get your COVID shot when you ‘had no choice’?
Common knowledge. Go ahead and ride that ship completely under the waves. We are very quickly coming upon total Uke collapse and Team Uke Corruption is still in total denial. The full disclosure of the ineptitude of the Globohomo/Uniparty alliance that you neocons have hitched your credibility to is about to come cascading out. The brutally screwed (by DC) Ukes will soon be singing loud enough that even you might actually hear.
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