Posted on 01/01/2024 2:06:12 PM PST by nickcarraway
In a recent installment of the 'Club Random' podcast, talk show host Bill Maher and 'Family Guy' mastermind Seth MacFarlane engaged in a contentious debate regarding the efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccine, as reported by RadarOnline.com.
Maher expressed his apprehensions about the US medical establishment's neglect of the concept of natural immunity, a sentiment challenged by MacFarlane during their debate.
Debate over natural immunity and vaccination requirements Maher criticized the US's inadequate consideration of natural immunity in determining vaccination requirements, particularly questioning the necessity of vaccinating individuals who have previously contracted the disease, contrasting this approach with Europe's practices, and stating, "That's powerful stupid."
In contrast, MacFarlane challenged the validity of natural immunity, citing personal acquaintances who, he claimed, contracted COVID-19 multiple times, positing this as evidence of a lack of immunity. He contended, "You've had Covid five times. That's not natural immunity. There's no immunity there."
Tensions escalated when Maher referenced athletes such as tennis icon Novak Djokovic and NFL quarterback Aaron Rodgers, implying they may not require the vaccine.
MacFarlane queried the drawbacks of vaccination, eliciting a fervent response from Maher.
He passionately emphasized the inherent risks associated with medical interventions, including vaccines, highlighting the existence of a vaccine court due to reported injuries.
Maher clarified his stance, affirming that while he does not oppose vaccines in general, he opposes receiving vaccines he deems unnecessary for himself.
Criticism and disappointment over the debate The aftermath of the debate between Bill Maher and Seth MacFarlane sparked criticism and disappointment among viewers
One user wrote, "As a condition of remaining in good standing among their class, these elite liberals have completely abdicated their responsibility to make sense of the world and adhere to an orthodoxy that they never question."
Another user wrote, "Still waiting to see proof of just one person having a more positive outcome from Covid as a direct result of the jab, let alone it saving their life. By the time the first jab was rolled out the vast majority of the population had already had Covid and acquired some natural…"
"Sheesh, hard to believe Seth gave us family guy," one commented.
"Pretentious and condescending despite complete ignorance of the subject being discussed. How unexpected," another added,
One commented, "Seth MacFarlane is a total disappointment."
Goodness, the goal of vaccines is to try to mimic a case of the actual virus as much as possible. One does not have a lot of synapsis’ firing to think a natural infection will not produce the most robust immune response.
Hmm... I didn’t realize Seth MacFarlane was that stupid. Oh well Family Guy is still a pretty funny show.
So Seth isn’t cognizant of the fact that millions of ppl have contracted CoVID even after the vaccine? The vaccine also requires multiple boosters to remain “effective.” Neither one of those statements of fact is true of any other childhood immunization in our history. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. Seth is a buffoon.
In contrast, MacFarlane challenged the validity of natural immunity, citing personal acquaintances who, he claimed, contracted COVID-19 multiple times, positing this as evidence of a lack of immunity. He contended, “You’ve had Covid five times. That’s not natural immunity. There’s no immunity there.”
How do you like to live with that amount of stupid floating about in your head?
Seth McFarland has been a complete libtard prick since forever. Loves making fun of Christians too
I was shocked. McFarlane I would have figured would be more independent minded. But he was all onboard with govt propaganda....which of course means he’s ultimately a hard lefty.
As a rule, I never drink and debate. Ol Mr. Maher likes his whiskey a bit too much methinks.
He is Hollywood and has a cartoon ridiculing the white guy.
This is leftist dream material-they went fr Beaver, Brady Bunch to Al Bundy, Homer Simpson and Peter Griffin-and they garnered an expectation of independence.
The science tells us about the efficacy of the vaccine versus catching Covid for prevention of future disease.
First, I must point out that the antivax narrative seems to be that getting immunity is an important stand-alone health goal. It is not. Immunity functions to prevent or greatly reduce the severity of disease. If you believe that a disease is so dangerous that you need to be immune from it, but your method of becoming immune is to catch the disease, there is something seriously wrong with your logic circuits (to say the least).
The vaccine is designed to induce the production of antibodies that knock out the function of the spike protein while it is on the surface of the virus.
When a person gets sick with Covid, they might not have an immune response at all. Autopsies have shown that lymph nodes in fatal cases of Covid were destroyed by infecting viruses. Or, if they have an immune response, it isn’t to the spike protein as it exists on the surface of the virus. The spike protein both is cut and changes shape when the virus uses it to get inside a cell. The immune response during infection can target any of the 29 proteins of the virus. And even if it does target the spike, it is targeting the used spike fragments left over after the virus enters the cell. Antibodies against used spike protein aren’t as effective as antibodies against the unused spikes covering the virus.
It’s quite true that someone who keeps catching Covid over and over (and still refuses to get vaccinated) is not exactly a ringing endorsement of disease-induced immunity. Because SARS-CoV-2 viruses infect several organs and many of those organs (like the heart) do not heal rapidly, the damage caused by repeated Covid infections is cumulative. It’s much better to just get vaccinated.
Maybe, but Maher will sober up, McFarland on the other hand…
“It’s quite true that someone who keeps catching Covid over and over (and still refuses to get vaccinated) is not exactly a ringing endorsement of disease-induced immunity.”
“ It’s much better to just get vaccinated.”
Just Wow! The only people I know who have experienced COVID more than once are the vaccinated. No, it’s not BEST just to get jabbed. Nope. But you go ahead and do you.
During a natural infection, the virus proteins are chopped up and presented on the surface of infected cells. So any antibodies produced as a result of natural infection are to chopped up proteins.
The vaccine only presents an intact spike protein to the immune system. Thus, the antibodies produced only recognize intact spike, not chopped up pieces. Those chopped up pieces do not have the same shape as the intact protein. In order to prevent infection, you need to have antibodies that recognize intact spike, not chopped up pieces. This is one reason why vaccine-induced immunity is superior to disease-induced immunity.
The other reason vaccine induced immunity is superior to disease-induced immunity is this: if the disease is so harmful and even deadly that you want to protect yourself from ever catching it, then why are you trying to protect yourself by catching the disease? Do you protect yourself from burns by grabbing hot pan handles? Or protect yourself from mosquitoes by standing outdoors at dusk wearing only shorts and a tee?
You are hilarious. Artificially vaccinating someone with one modified protein from several variants ago is superior to making antibodies to highly conserved N-protein, envelop proteins and several glycoproteins from natural infection?
One hundred years of immunology out the window.
The scientist you apparently follow like straight to your face. “If you get the vaccine, you are not going to get covid. Since you don’t know, we have never made a successful vaccine against a corona virus. They are highly mutable.
Don’t go and say “it was not meant to prevent infection”. They lied and you know it and still believe them.
On a friendly note - have a happy new year.
What people don’t like is this: they don’t know where the spike protein generated by the vaccines are going, and sticking to, in the body. The furan unit is ‘humanized’, meaning that it matches up with human cells. It can attach in capillaries and in lymph nodes. This can lead to clotting upon the body’s natural response. The clots can break loose and do damage, sometimes fatal damage.
Plenty of people don’t want to risk it.
That’s pretty good satire!
Some people are susceptible to acquiring Covid regardless of how many times they’ve been vaccinated. I’ve never had Covid... Didn’t acquire it before being vaccinated, have been vaccinated 3 times and I have never acquired it since.
Does that mean that getting vaccinated 3 times is the key?
I know people who have never been vaccinated and never got it... I know people who’ve never been vaccinated and got it... There doesn’t appear to be a rhyme or reason to the transmission of this virus. It’s affects are seemingly mild for most people... That should’ve been established from the very start and the nonsense of locking down and destroying our economy for the sake of the immune compromised could’ve been avoided.
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