Posted on 04/08/2024 1:09:35 PM PDT by aquila48
Well, go ahead and institute ‘caning’, thinking that will change the mess we’re in.
But if you keep putting the cart before the horse, everyone on this board will be in danger of being caned for ‘wrong think’.
You’re the one who isn’t using your head and common sense.
I’m done with you.
“I’m done with you.”
That is so hurtful! Just when we were having some fun!
The record speaks for itself.
And Singapore is not calling for reparations from the U.K. for past colonialism.
Says a friend of Singapore law enforcement . . .
"Hand surgery"
Because, the bad guys use machette's in order to lop off your hand - when you wear a watch or jewels.
The bad guys race by on a bike, and "just like that," you are off to the surgeon.
You are ill informed. No point in debating someone who knows nothing about the subject of which he/she has an ill informed opinion.
“No, no DEI! Strictly a merit based society. It’s an EI culture - there you have to Earn It (EI).”
BTTT
Well, I guess you think it would be all fine and good, as long as you and your values were in charge.
I wonder what you’d say when the governmental wind shifted.
Good grief! What brought that on? Did I disrespect you? Nope.
All I’m saying is, if you’d re-read my post, that it’s all-pervasive, perpetual government overreach, the way Singapore’s strictures and enforcement codes come down.
I much prefer community standards and our Bill of Rights for the individual. If from that you deduce that I’d prefer hawking up loogies and blowing snot-rockets onto the sidewalks, some reading comprehension remediation might be in order.
I assume you live here in the US. If you do, you know that ship has sailed years ago.
What was it that That Ben Franklin said?
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Oh how I wish we had even a little of the liberty and safety we once had. We gave up liberty by electing Democrats and allowing in millions of illegals. And with the loss of our liberties, we lost our safety.
Good analysis.
I don’t know much about Confucianism, but what I saw there was a very “common sense” society and the vast majority appear to behave with that common sense voluntarily - I didn’t see any heavy handed repression. Seems like there’s a strong sense of the Golden Rule.
Of course, I was there only 4 days, so it’s a very superficial look. I’d like to go back again and explore the “underbelly” to the extent that there is one. I’m sure it’s not all peaches and cream.
You seem to be familiar with the place. What is its “underbelly”? What issues and problems people complain about?
I don’t mind playing this kind of game, when there is actual ‘intelligence’ involved.
But my services are too high-rent for a game this stupid.
Good Night!
You compared Singapore to North Korea. Your actual intelligence is low rent.
But, like most things. Its a mirage. There is no freedom of speech, no right of assemble, no freedom of the press, private land property is limited, you can't blame other religions nor talk bad about them, no gun rights, etc etc. Its a gop/libertarian paradise in many ways. The companies import brains and import cheap foreign labor to handle the hard work.
The kids are certainly world beaters up to college, then they fade away to the rat race that Singapore is. The culture there produces conformity, docility, and submission, the rebels get beaten down. They will never produce a Donald Trump or persons who standout in the world. For all the discomfort and hate in America, we happen to raise kids who go out and create interesting things and ideas.
I’m curious... While you were living there did you feel repressed? Did you feel like you were walking on eggshells and had to watch every move and everything you said or wrote?
Did you feel like all you got was state propaganda? Could you discuss whatever you wanted with your friends without feeling like someone was eavesdropping?
LOVED Japan in 2008. My best friend and her husband are there now.
There is an old joke. We will never be able to go to the sun. No problem, just go at night.
You can go to Singapore at night.
Best wishes
Arigato.
In a way, it's as if Rudy Giuliani's vision for New York has come to full fruition in Singapore. Malaysian, Indonesian, Filipino, and Indian migrant workers - who a lot of the fines (and canings) are actually aimed it - are kept on a tight leash that is not really going to be felt by Western tourists, who are highly unlikely to engage in the kind of behaviors that would trigger these punishments.
"Nice, normal people" do very well in Singapore, and find it safe, clean, and enjoyable - and not in any way visibly oppressive.
Is its system of rigorous math and science education the best for fostering innovation and entrepreneurship? Hard to say. We often try to compare Singapore to the USA but a lot of our innovators came up in the 70's and 80's under a very different culture than we have today. Today's young American innovators tend to copy and modify apps and think they have saved the world. But Singaporeans are now good at that, too.
Is its political system the best for thoughtful Virginia planters with deep classical educations and a desire to bring the blessings of liberty to the world? Probably not. If someone decides to start a new opposition political party promoting libertarian ideals in Singapore they are going to have a very rough time.
BTW, my wife is Singaporean and very much a believer in government smashing down miscreants who disturb the social order. I have had to patiently explain to her why it is a bad idea to give governments unlimited power to do so - after seeing the Biden Administration in action she is starting to get it. :)
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