Posted on 09/04/2001 10:23:34 AM PDT by tbeatty
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:18 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Preliminary autopsy and ballistics findings confirm that a Santa Clarita Valley gunman who held officers at bay Friday fired the shot that killed a deputy, Los Angeles County sheriff's officials said Monday.
The "likelihood" was that the fire was started by hot tear gas canisters fired by deputies through the window of the bedroom from which Beck was shooting, said Lt. Raymond Peavy of the Sheriff's Homicide Division. Investigators believe the fire started on a bed, Peavy said.
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Mike
What if it's true that Beck did once work for the DEA or as a spy?
Ditto
Very well stated.
You are very correct , sir. I was watching the live telephone interviews on TV and the ATF spokesman insisted the reason for the search was Beck's impersonation of a U.S. Marshal. I believe they then discovered exaggerating your career choice to your neighbor is not against the law.
In time for the ABC evening news the story changed to he was stockpiling weapons and later he was a convicted felon. I am very suspicious of the convicted felon claim because there has been absolutely zero supporting evidence for the claim, other than the claim of one of the agencies that participated in the fiasco. I suspect the felon claim is a CYA, however, I will reserve judgement until someone provides proof, i.e a state or county of conviction, a date of conviction, tme served, or any other detail that will permit me to confirm it.
So, where does it say in the constitution that Mr. Beck is obligated to shoot at them ?
prambo
I haven't read where Tbeatty give any support to the BATF whatsoever. Are my reading skills faulty ?
The 8am ones do too.
Not even to protect a neighbor ?
It's not, unless one is a two-time felon.
Beck was a two-time felon. "
G. Gordon Liddy said it best, paraphrasing, "I, as a felon cannot own a gun. My wife does have an extensive collection".
One can deconstruct any event to infinity, that is what lawyers get paid to do. Heck, after listening to OJ's defense attorneys I could almost believe he was innocent. "If it doesn't fit you must acquit". Then when I remind myself of the whole context within which the event occurs, I snpa out of it. We can go on like this for ever. But I will take a look at it and the thread later.
Sorry, but I call bullsh*t. There is too much manpower there for the ATF to expect it to go down peacefully. It is also far too petty of a crime to warrant all of that agency involvement. You did answer my next question however. The ATF WAS involved in his earlier arrests. Could it be that they entrapped him in an attempt to get him to inform on others. Why does this sound so familiar? Now Beck knew he was faced with either getting killed during an aggressive arrest, or the ATF conjuring up a special court with handpicked judges, prosecutors, experts and witnesses where he will be sentenced to 183 years for something that neither he nor anyone else knows is a crime. At least he got his girlfriend out.
It is obvious that you believe that a good agency image is far more important than truth & justice. We all can see the spin that you put on things. "Neighbors are...afraid he might be a chold molester or something." That is classic. It brought back memories of Janet Reno saying "we did it for the children". You are a good spinmeister. Also the way you villainize people who are not committing violent crimes pegs you for an ATF agent(if you're not, you should be). Saying he deserves 'a lifetime of "hide the salami" in the state pen' for nonviolent firearms possession shows alot about your disposition. It is obvious that you need to villainize others to justify your actions. You've got alot of hatred toward others.
"When you find a turtle sitting atop a fencepost you can be sure of one thing - he didn't get there by himself." Col. Jeff Cooper
Please explain how it went from "five desk jockeys" to a SWAT Team drilling holes in the neighboring houses.
Are you saying five desk jockeys arrived at the door and Beck started shooting? The shooting started at the point of the dynamic entry, is my understanding. If you have better information, then please share it.
Can you direct me to or provide one shread of evidence that Beck was even a one time felon. Can you provide a conviction date, a jurisdiction, county or state? Can you provide a judge's name or information on time served, or in what facility the time was served?
If Beck was a felon, I am certain someone with your connections could provide a reference to at least one document that can substantiate that Beck was a convicted felon.
The only information suggesting Beck was a felon comes from the same guys responsible for shooting up the neighbor's houses, i.e. they lack credibility and the information they released is so sketchy and full of holes it is laughable.
Starting in 1990, Beck was sentenced to 12 years."It was not known how many years he ultimately served." It is unknown because it is a bogus account,IMHO, these guys are as incompetent at fabricating a cover story as they are at marksmanship.
If there was any specific information confirming Beck's status as a convicted felon, it would be in the public domain by now.
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