Posted on 12/12/2001 9:49:48 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
Edited on 04/22/2004 12:31:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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But the problem here is that Israel sells our national secrets to third parties (i.e., Russia, China). If this isn't enough, at $3-5 billion in foreign aid per year, US taxpayers foot the bill for this spying.Israel sells our national secrets to Russia and China??? What is your source of information?? Please show one article from a responsible news publication where that fact is stated. It is totally irresponsible to make such statements about an ally of the United States without direct knowledge.
I say that Congress needs to put US interests first -- for a change. If the US would pursue its legitimate interests in the Middle East, my guess is that the chances for real peace in the Middle East would increase immeasureably.Your lack of knowledge about the Middle East and your understanding of what would bring real peace there is conspicous. The US is pursuing its legitimate interests in the Middle East by supporting Israel. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and is the only pro-American country in the Middle East. The amount of intelligence the US gets from Israel about the region is immensely important to the security of the United States. In any hostilities against the United States in that part of the world, the only country the US can count on as an ally would be Israel. The US gets plenty for its foreign aid. What does it get from Jordan and Egypt, which combined get more Foreign aid from the US than does Israel? The real chance for peace in the Middle East is a strong leader of the Palestinians who really wants peace. Yassir Arafat is not that man.
When was the last time we heard about "English" spies or even "French" spies?Well, if you don't think there are English and French spies in this country, I have a bridge to sell you. Are you also going to tell me that you don't think we have spies in England, France and, oh yes, Israel. Every country spies on every other country, ally or not.
Yeah, and apparently Israel is the only one getting their hand caught in the cookie jar repeatedly then.
Plain and simple, they are exploiting the lack of security that goes along with having a "friendly" relationship vis a vis Israel and America.
BTW, I'll ask again -- when WAS the last time we heard about English spies, OR French for that matter in America?? It was more than a rhetorical question in case you or anyone else can answer it.
The bottom line is, let's put America first!
Yes, that would be a good start! Hey, regardless of how much you like Clinton, which is likely to be at best 'not much', you'd have to admit that Robert Rubin did a pretty good job. Rubin is, you know, um.... And that Greenspan guy, who most people think has done a pretty good job, he's also, um, right...
OK, you can also find Jews who didn't do such a good job as well.
The bottom line is, let's put America first!
Absolutely. The question is, what serves America's interest best? Tell me, as much as the Arabs absolutely hate Israel, do you think they don't notice that in an area wihtout any oil at all they have one of the highest GDPs? Do you think that Israel's existence doesn't at all influence the other countries to move away from totalitarian dictatorship, and toward a more free, more stable and more prosperous life? Sure, they can quickly retort that Israel gets a ton of U.S. military aid, but let's face it, Egypt gets tons of aid as well and hasn't benefited economically.
You have the Jordanians aggressively moving toward a Western-style government, and even regimes like Syria and Saudi Arabia considering various reforms.
So yes, put America first. And that means, having a Middle Eastern policy roughly what it is today's.
I guess I'm just an isolationist at heart, close the borders, cut off all foreign aid, and expel all the illegals... I do resent it when people put their loyalty somewhere other than in America.
Hey, don't hold anything back, "Dude." Tell us how you really feel.
If we adhere to that like mindless robots then why not just have Israel run our country for us. After all, we should be double-super blessed then wouldn't you say??? And everyone knows double-super blessed is the best kind of blessed there is!
Yeah, right, that's the ticket. (Your hatred for your Creator is so deep that it clouds your logic.)
The bottom line is, let's put America first!
So, who wasn't putting America first? Your anti-Semitism is showing right through your nationalism (masquerading as patriotism).
You hate God, and you hate His people. Think about turning back, before it's too late.
What I don't believe is that some book, that may or may not be true should be our ONLY guide in instances as delicate as this. I suppose it's pretty easy to go around parroting "Those are HIS chosen people, love them, never criticize them, or you will go straight to HELL! (Dirty-filthy anti-semite!)" I prefer to evaluate things on a case by case basis. Rather than go around bleating "Four legs good, two legs bad." That may be an easy way to go through life, and if it works for you then great. You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine.
Mine is that we (as a nation which I acknowlege was founded "under god") should be a little more ruthless. Ruthless and single minded in a way that shows ALL other nations that we are not to be trifled with. Show them that we are UNITED and that we will do WHATEVER it takes to protect OUR interests FIRST. If that means putting HIS chosen people second, then I say oh well. Because while YOU may believe that THEY are HIS chosen people, I MAY NOT. Or I may... Confusing isn't it???
Not bad, but I'm still only 50% impressed...
But we still need the English version of a "spying scandal." Afterall, it is quite debatable whether or not France is actually considered a "friend" of the US.
With all due respect, I just don't see that same situation within the benevolent allied sphere of Canada/England/U.S...007 rooting around Washington? Naaah...
A General Accounting Office investigation referred to Israel as Country A and said, "According to a U.S. intelligence agency, the government of country A conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the U.S. of any U.S. ally."The new secret court and Homeland Security operates just like the old Soviet system. No evidence, just speculation. In this case, guilt is attributed for picking up on the attack and not dialing 911! So what? Are these people trying to cover their own incompetence by blaming someone else for "not telling us" when they were repeatedly warned over the last 5 years? Why should these civil servants not be punished?
they may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance and not shared it.Secret court, weak evidence, no charge: For such wickedness a Declaration of Independence was written.
A highly placed investigator told Fox News there are "tie-ins," but when asked for details flatly refused to describe them. "Evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified, I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It is classified information," the source said.
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