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'Granny' Busted For Pot Sales
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Posted on 01/08/2002 11:15:02 AM PST by Texaggie79

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To: Texaggie79
You could be right. I am a man of substantial weight. What about you nate?

Let's see...5'9", 165 pounds. Not skinny, but not very heavy either. Fairly average....

And I'm the same way with tobacco as well. I can have a smoke occasionally, but quitting (since I average 1-2 cigs a month) wasn't hard at all. For other people, I hear it's the hardest thing in the world.

221 posted on 01/08/2002 9:27:18 PM PST by Nate505
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To: wienerdog.com
Thanks for the bump. However, I stopped participating in drug war threads a while back (except for the occasional backslide) because I'm not going to convince you that I'm right and you're not going to convince me that you're right - lather, rinse, repeat.

The world hasn't had near enough quality cheese and moose discussions though, so I'm still there for those.

222 posted on 01/08/2002 9:35:50 PM PST by strela
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To: one_particular_harbour
LOL, I want to see this on "COPS".
223 posted on 01/08/2002 10:26:42 PM PST by StoneColdGOP
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To: wienerdog.com
If you read through this whole thread, you'll see that Brother Dane had a pretty rough day today.

LOL! You are the one in reply #110 who couldn't answer the question and decided to go on a bitter tirade(trying to mask it as humor).

The real humor in this thread is your bitterness at losing the arguement.

225 posted on 01/09/2002 12:53:21 AM PST by Dane
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To: one_particular_harbour
Sad, I can almost see it happening.
227 posted on 01/09/2002 3:07:34 AM PST by StoneColdGOP
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To: strela
You have chosen wisely. I fought with you a couple of times back when there was a drug thread or three every day, but I am sure you know it was nothing personal. That was a classy reply, BTW. Thanks.
228 posted on 01/09/2002 3:14:35 AM PST by wienerdog.com
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To: Dane
Well, I guess anyone who reads this thread can decide for himself. You have a funny way of determining who "won."
230 posted on 01/09/2002 3:16:25 AM PST by wienerdog.com
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To: one_particular_harbour
So you're lurking the thread. Must be a real pain in the butt working the cyber pervert detail during school commute time. Which ones do you pose as, teen boys or teen girls? And how often do they rotate you guys off?

You shouldn't give up your day job to become a stand up comedian, but I can understand why you would want to give up your day job as a trial lawyer. It must be tough on the conscience as you put small businesses out of business with friovolous lawsuits that drive up insurance and other costs of business.

231 posted on 01/09/2002 3:36:19 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
So how does your hypothetical junkie shooting up and not bothering anyone affect you?
232 posted on 01/09/2002 3:52:57 AM PST by wienerdog.com
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To: wienerdog.com
So how does your hypothetical junkie shooting up and not bothering anyone affect you?

If it happening out on the street, it affects my property values, brings down the quality of life in the neighborhood, etc.etc..

233 posted on 01/09/2002 4:13:44 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Thank you. Now that we have finally, over the past 24 hours and 200 some posts, eliminated your well-worn straw man from the argument, maybe we can continue.

You will recall that this thread is about marijuana. Do you think it is a good thing to lock up a 92-year old woman to "send her a message?"

234 posted on 01/09/2002 4:29:16 AM PST by wienerdog.com
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To: exodus
Excerpted from this article. I got it slightly wrong, it was rhesus monkeys, not mice.

The other study that has caused concern was concluded by Dr. Robert Heath at the Tulane University School of Medicine. Heath recorded the brain waves of six rhesus monkeys before, during, and after exposure to marijuana smoke and found that the monkeys showed changes for as long as five days after such exposure. In addition, two of the monkeys suffered "structural alteration of cells in the spetal region of the brain," and Heath stated that previous correlations between monkeys and human beings suggested that the chronic smoking of marijuana produces irreversible damage in humans.

Heath's report was made public at a Senate subcommittee hearing investigating marijuana and health. Dr. Julius Axelrod, who received the Nobel Prize in 1970 for his work on the effects of drugs on the brain, was asked to evaluate the Heath study. He told the senators that the amount of smoke inhaled by the monkeys was equivalent to a human being smoking over a hundred marijuana cigarettes each day for six months. "The results indicate that marijuana causes an irreversible damage to the brain," said Axelrod. "But the amounts used are so large that one wonders whether it's due to the large toxic amounts Dr. Heath has given." A large enough dose of almost any substance will produce negative results in animals or human beings, said Axelrod, who believed that Heath should have administered doses of varying degrees to determine which effects would have been produced by different levels of marijuana. Lester Grinspoon, another critic of the Heath study, points out that the monkeys in the experiment were forced to ingest excessive amounts of marijuana smoke, although a monkey's lung size is only about one-fifteenth as large as that of a human being.

235 posted on 01/09/2002 4:31:15 AM PST by Dakmar
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To: wienerdog.com
Thank you. Now that we have finally, over the past 24 hours and 200 some posts, eliminated your well-worn straw man from the argument, maybe we can continue.

Actually my original post was to dead about his blanket statement about "the state of incarceration being the 38th largest state", which I thought basically stated that all incarceration is bad for society and then I got into a discussion saying that tough law and order mayors such as Guiliani have brought crime down.

You will recall that this thread is about marijuana. Do you think it is a good thing to lock up a 92-year old woman to "send her a message?"

Marijuana is against the law and she has been on probation four times before. You can debate if marijuana should be legal or not. You think that marijuana should be legal, I don't. I beleive that marijuana is a gateway into the drug culture.

But that brings me back to my Guiliani arguement. Guiliani cracked down on small and minor crimes and that in turn brought down rates of major crimes and you can't argue against that success. So yes if grandma is being a 4 time offender, yes she should go to jail, IMHO

236 posted on 01/09/2002 4:46:38 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
And when Grandma goes to jail, I'll bet it will have a great effect on her grandchildren. "Where's your grandma?" "Jail."

Surely you must realize that Grandma's customers will find another source. The supply will always be filled.

"Closing the borders" with the War On Terrorism has had no effect as most marijuana consumed in this country is now produced here. The only way to eliminate drug crime is to eliminate drug laws.

Millions of people over thousands of years have enjoyed the effects of marijuana. The damage has been far, far less than from alcohol; indeed, less than from aspirin.

The only damage to our society, and specifically our Constitution, that can be attributed to marijuana comes from the corrupt War On Drugs.

237 posted on 01/09/2002 4:58:14 AM PST by wienerdog.com
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To: wienerdog.com
And when Grandma goes to jail, I'll bet it will have a great effect on her grandchildren. "Where's your grandma?" "Jail."

So if a grandma committed murder she shouldn't go to jail because of the children? Are grandmothers exmpt from the law?

Millions of people over thousands of years have enjoyed the effects of marijuana. The damage has been far, far less than from alcohol; indeed, less than from aspirin

Sorry I don't think of becoming a burnout as a beneficial effect. I don't go for the marijuana is a "wonderweed" arguement.

The only damage to our society, and specifically our Constitution, that can be attributed to marijuana comes from the corrupt War On Drugs

That's your opinion, but I don't think that the US Constitution stands on the right to smoke dope anytime, anywhere.

238 posted on 01/09/2002 5:11:14 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Grandma did not commit murder. She sold some weed. Kindly stick to the subject or I am out of here.

The Constitution does not permit pot smoking. That would be because the Constitution was written to restrain the government. Anything not prohibited in the Constitution is allowed by definition (cf: Civics 101).

239 posted on 01/09/2002 5:50:09 AM PST by wienerdog.com
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To: wienerdog.com
Grandma did not commit murder. She sold some weed. Kindly stick to the subject or I am out of here

She broke the law. You may not like the law, but she broke it and she had been on probation before.

Your main defense of her was this,

And when Grandma goes to jail, I'll bet it will have a great effect on her grandchildren. "Where's your grandma?" "Jail."

As I asked you, should grandmas be exempt from the law?

240 posted on 01/09/2002 5:58:23 AM PST by Dane
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