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SECRET PAKISTANI AIRLIFT AIDED TALIBAN, AL QAEDA FIGHTERS
The DrudgeReport ^ | January 20, 2002

Posted on 01/20/2002 9:25:53 AM PST by CreekerFreeper

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To: clintonh8r
Just my two cents:

As I recall (and I don't have the time now to research this) there were several articles on FR back before Konduz fell that stated that the Paks were flying Al-Querdos out of the beseiged city. Some of those reports, if I'm not mistaken, actually came from (gasp) DEBKA. There 's fertile ground here for a freeper with an afternoon to kill...

41 posted on 01/20/2002 10:19:34 AM PST by lafroste
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To: JoeEveryman
Don't mean to criticize Debka here, but I believe they are more credible than Hersh.
42 posted on 01/20/2002 10:24:19 AM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Dog Gone
Taliban came from Pakistan, right?

Pakistan has already shot at one of our helicopters.

43 posted on 01/20/2002 10:27:09 AM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: vbmoneyspender
I don't remember Rumsfeld's earlier denial, so I'm basing it strictly on the transcript above, which is far from a hard denial. "I don't believe it" is a far cry from "it did not happen," and you can rest assured that Rumsfeld knows what's happening over there right now, especially something of this magnitude. And he qualified it by saying he knew of no major exodus, which left wriggle room. I'm no fan of the author, but I also don't believe in automatically discounting EVERYTHING reported if it can be seen as negative to the administration in any way. I believe we must be objective. If not, we're no different than the liberals who toe the party line.

MM

44 posted on 01/20/2002 10:27:24 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: vbmoneyspender
Someone just posted a Daily Telegraph story. Believe that is a better source.
45 posted on 01/20/2002 10:30:23 AM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Just in case anyone has forgotten, Hersh is the one that claimed we suffered a large number of battle deaths in the first raid we made outside of Kandahar.

The guy LIES. He is intent on trying to discredit the armed forces, Donald Rumsfeld, and our war effort.

Why any intelligent person here would even consider believing him in this matter is mind-boggling.

46 posted on 01/20/2002 10:30:52 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
The ethnic Pashtoons have been shielding ethnic brothers who are Taliban and/or Al Quaeda. Why wouldn't Pakistan?

Hersh may be unreliable, but i don't think that means that everything he writes is necessarily wrong.

Believe you have clearly and convincingly described his unreliability here.

48 posted on 01/20/2002 10:34:26 AM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: abwehr
I agree; they certainly couldn't have done it without US knowing about it; that's why I don't believe it. But maybe you are right, an statement should be issued to shut these people up.
49 posted on 01/20/2002 10:35:42 AM PST by Howlin
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To: A Citizen Reporter
Rumsfeld: I do not believe it happened.

The weasel construction of this sentence means that he knows it did happen.

It was widely reported that transport aircraft landed and took off from Kunduz in the black of night during the siege. My own speculation at the time was that Bush et al. had agreed to allow high ranking Pakistanis, or the relatives of high ranking Pakistanis, to exit Kunduz unharmed. I figured maybe a couple hundred people were evacuated. I can see that figure rising maybe to 1000, but not to the 4000 to 5000 figure Hersh is hyping.

50 posted on 01/20/2002 10:37:19 AM PST by beckett
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To: CreekerFreeper
I would give just about as much credibility to this report as Hersh's other reports have deserved, NONE.
51 posted on 01/20/2002 10:37:37 AM PST by Mahone
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Pakistan has already shot at one of our helicopters.

Where was that reported?

Look, this story doesn't even make sense from Pakistan's point of view. Musharraf had already withdrawn support of the Taliban. He had fired his top generals who were sympathetic to them. He had fired the head of Pakistani intelligence for the same reason.

The Pakistanis who were fighting with the Taliban were not government soldiers and advisors. They were Pakistani terrorists who volunteered to go over there.

Even if some Pakistanis from the government were there, something which hasn't been proven at all, they were there on their own initiative. Musharraf isn't an idiot. Now, Hersh and others are saying that Musharraf would have wanted to rescue the very people he was cracking down on at home? It makes no sense.

52 posted on 01/20/2002 10:42:12 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: CreekerFreeper;Freedom of Speech Wins;be-baw;Dog Gone;AM2000;hoot2;JoeEveryman;Sawdring; ChaseR...
The United States under Clinton created and nurtured a relationship with al-Qaeda to aid the State Depts agenda in the Balkans, the Caucuses and in Central Asia. This relationship has been documented time and again. There is a cover up going on by those in Washington and beyond to save their skins from any blow back due their way.

You guys want a respected Conservative journalistic documentation of the Clintonistas (many remain in Sate and Defense as of today) dealings and alliances with al-Qaeda. If you doubt AIM's thesis, in the comments section of the links under the heading Archive I have posted links to articles that show the relationship between al-Qaeda organizations and the Clinton Administration. The Bush administration I am sad to say also has these people within its rank. The so called careerists in State and Defense:

Please read BIN LADEN GATE and see for yourselves if such a thing is possible.

After you get angry, start asking your elected representatives some questions and demand answers.

PS: MY apologies for such a long bump list.

53 posted on 01/20/2002 10:43:38 AM PST by Pericles
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To: beckett; Mahone
#53 fyi
54 posted on 01/20/2002 10:45:49 AM PST by Pericles
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To: abwehr
Rumsfeld is a man with high integrity, and he has been confronted with this issue multiple times. Everytime he seemed uncomfortable with the questions, and his answers left open some "wriggle room". This is uncharacteristc of him. That is exactly why I believe it happened! If not, he is the type who'd have replied without ambiguity the first time he was asked.
55 posted on 01/20/2002 10:46:01 AM PST by mikeIII
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To: AM2000
I believe the Indian media reported something along these lines, at the time.. and it was even reported right here on FR. Understandably, FReepers dismissed the reports at that time as Indian propoganda

I remember DEBKA reporting it first, so naturally, it was dismissed by most as unreliable info.

56 posted on 01/20/2002 10:51:12 AM PST by Ymani Cricket
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To: MississippiMan
At the beginning of this war, Rumsfeld said that he wouldn't lie. After the war began and these reports started surfacing from the Indian press about a month and a half ago, Rumsfeld was asked about the reports and he said that they had been checked into and that our people couldn't find any basis for concluding that the reports were true. Rumsfeld then said, repeatedly, that he didn't believe the reports were true. For people who speak plain English like Rumsfeld does, that constitutes a denial.

However, what you are asking for Rumsfeld to do is say that he has perfect knowledge of everything that has happened in Afghanistan since the war and (based on that perfect knowledge) to then guarantee that nothing like this happened. Because Rumsfeld is a smart guy, he is not going to do that because it is possible (albeit highly unlikely) that some helicopter survived our blitz and was able to get people out of Afghanistan without our knowledge.

All Rumsfeld is going to say (and all that should be expected of him to say) is that as far as the U.S. military knows, nothing like this happened. Given Rumsfeld's track record of not lying, versus Hersh's record of affirmative lies, that should be good enough for reasonable people to conclude that nothing even remotely similar to what Hersh is reporting actually happened.

Plus, how in the world does anybody believe that something like this could be kept a secret for over 2 months time. Does anybody really seriously think that an air corridor could be created so that several thousand Al Queda-affiliated enemies could be flown out of Afghanistan and into Pakistan and nobody in the military would say anything about this. That all of our people fighting the war in Afghanistan would just sit by and not say anything to a reporter they respected, like Bill Gertz, about something stupid like this being allowed to take place. Finally, ask yourself this. How is that Hersh, who has always despised that U.S. military, keeps getting people in the military (including SF) to divulge our nation's deepest, darkest military secrets to him. It strikes me as being very strange that Hersh keeps getting 'scoops' that no one else is ever able to confirm.

57 posted on 01/20/2002 10:51:16 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: CreekerFreeper
"Musharraf has two-timed you."

That would assume that the U.S. government weren't allowing the airlifts to occur. Who would propose that they (U.S. military leaders) were unaware of these airlifts?

58 posted on 01/20/2002 10:54:19 AM PST by Demidog
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To: McGruff
The numbers mentioned make this story totally bogus...sorry. But the only possible truth to this would be 5 to 10 helicopter flights, which would have brought out 100 men max. 5000 Pakistani fighters don't fly out like this. The story is nutty...possibly planted by a bunch of Indian politicans.
59 posted on 01/20/2002 10:58:41 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
I don't believe the London press either. They did the exact same thing with Hersh's reports in October about our SF having suffered unreported deaths at the raid on Baba Sahib. That turned out to be a lie but it didn't stop the London papers from reporting what Hersh had reported about a week earlier. By the way, I am still waiting for Hersh and the London papers that reported his story to issue retractions.
60 posted on 01/20/2002 11:03:15 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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