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Low blows for higher education: Troubled by comments from Ithaca College faculty member
Ithaca Journal ^ | Tuesday, February 5, 2002 | By Brandon Crocker

Posted on 02/05/2002 4:22:55 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:00:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

You don't have to travel all the way to the Pakistani frontier to find mobs of America-hating fanatics -- just visit your nearest American university.

From Harvard to Michigan to UC San Diego, editorial comment from our future "journalists" admonish us that the Sept. 11 attacks were "not unwarranted" given our "arrogance" in dealing with the rest of the world. Demonstrations by students and professors proclaim that patriotism equals hate and that a country as criminal as the United States got what it deserved.


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Over the Christmas holiday my father asked me to read an article in the alumni magazine of his alma mater, Ithaca College, that he found particularly offensive. In this case, professor of politics, Asma Barlas, proclaimed that people like Osama bin Laden, as well as all sorts of "moderates" hate America because America's foreign policy since World War II has been one that "seeks control over the entire world by any means necessary." **** Left-wing America-haters in our universities, or at least at Ithaca College, are apparently suffering from shell shock.

Ithaca is the City of Evil.

1 posted on 02/05/2002 4:22:55 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Under the Radar;GovernsLeastGovernsBest;Conservative Librarian;LibKill;bentfeather;gaspar...
City of Evil bump
2 posted on 02/05/2002 4:24:27 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I call the Hope Education Tax Credit the "Hope they go to college for two years and become liberals tax credit." I call the continuing education tax credit "We hope they continue in college and remain liberals tax credit". I refuse to give any money to my university alumni associations - and they are probably better than most. I resented using my money (student fees) to sponsor all the homosexual organizations (and this was the midwest 30 years ago).
3 posted on 02/05/2002 4:46:50 AM PST by mutchdutch
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
U of R and RIT don't spew THIS much hate (U of R was on the sweatshop kick a few years back...)

Upstate bump

4 posted on 02/05/2002 4:55:07 AM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
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5 posted on 02/05/2002 5:01:12 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Benson_Carter
That these left wing ideologues have not succeeded in gaining control over our children's minds at an early age is miraculous. Mao Tse-tung was convinced that the only way to change China was to use government dayschools to reach down and take control of a child's earliest education. Communism would follow from there.

The Democrats are determined to impose government pre-schooling as early as age four. Once that happens, liberal education (in the pre 1960 meaning) is doomed.

6 posted on 02/05/2002 5:07:10 AM PST by gaspar
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To: Benson_Carter
That these left wing ideologues have not succeeded in gaining control over our children's minds at an early age is miraculous. Mao Tse-tung was convinced that the only way to change China was to use government dayschools to reach down and take control of a child's earliest education. Communism would follow from there.

The Democrats are determined to impose government pre-schooling as early as age four. Once that happens, liberal education (in the pre 1960 meaning) is doomed.

7 posted on 02/05/2002 5:08:36 AM PST by gaspar
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Barlas convincingly asserts that the Qur'an affirms the complete equality of the sexes

From Barlas' book.

Barlas' home page.

8 posted on 02/05/2002 5:13:35 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Modern forms of terrorism were introduced into the Middle East in the 1940s by Jewish group...

Islam did not invent war; it merely teaches a specific approach to it. This approach forbids aggression, or attacking one’s enemies unawares...

jihad is not for extending territories, protecting political or economic interests, or killing one’s foes...

the Qur’an asks us to read it for its best meanings and it defines Islam as "sirat ul mustaqeem," the straight path, the middle path, the path of moderation, not excess.

Barlas' speech, post 9/11, here.

9 posted on 02/05/2002 5:19:22 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker
It doesn't say much about IC's academic standards when, as noted in his home page, he is the Chair of his department while only being an ASSOCIATE professor.
10 posted on 02/05/2002 5:36:58 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Having spent twenty years in the Ithaca area, contending with the students of Ithaca College and Cornell U, I got to know many of those looney toons that were turned out there every year.

The best assessment I ever heard for those people was by an area scientist. He said, "These people are manipulators of words, with the agenda of manipulating minds, most have no conception of a real education"...

11 posted on 02/05/2002 5:37:39 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
City of evil bump
12 posted on 02/05/2002 6:19:51 AM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: Behind Liberal Lines;Mudboy Slim;sultan88
"The visage of academia trying to excuse, or even to justify the unspeakably evil acts of Sept. 11 has given the American public reason to take a more serious view of what is going on in our universities."

Dear sweet Jesus; do ya think?

"Though language like this may be common in lecture halls, typically one doesn't find this sort of ugly rhetoric in a college alumni magazine. Such magazines, after all, are tools to keep alumni feeling good about their school in order to encourage donations."

Money doesn't mean anything to the devote Socialists running these organizations.
The exact same Socialists the professorate created?
Hellooo??

"These are the type of people that many college professors are dedicated to turning out of our universities -- people ignorant of their American heritage, yet hateful of it, and, as a result, open to the dictatorial and enslaving philosophies of communism and socialism."

Bingo.

...Ithaca may in fact be evil; however, someone named "Brandon Crocker" at the IJ sure has heard the alarm clock.

13 posted on 02/05/2002 6:31:26 AM PST by Landru
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
My wife went to Ithaca for film school when we were dating, and I had a riot going up to visit her and being around all her nutty neo-socialist film school friends. They couldn't stand me, and I loved pushing their buttons. Every one of them was a spoiled, rich kid type who never worked in their life. And all the girls were big time man-hater feminists, even though they slept around.

My wife was pretty liberal then, she almost didn't have a choice, being fed that crap on a daily basis. My favorite memory of one of my visits was her taking me by a place called the "free speech rock." It was a big rock on campus where students lined up to make speeches espousing the causes of the day. The favorite topic that day was Rodney King and his assault and the oppression of inner city blacks. I watched one white trust fund kid after another walk up and bemoan the plight of black America and declare their solidarity with Mr. King, knowing that 90% of them had never lived around, worked with or gone to school with black people.

After a while, I got in line. Panicked, my wife (then girlfriend)asked me what I wanted to say on the Free Speech Rock. I told her I just wanted to tell the other side of the story, the truth about Rodney King, the fact that he wouldn't obey the officers, the drugs in his system, etc. Mortified, she begged me and begged me not to, saying that we would be attacked, that everyone would hate her and that she would risk being retaliated against by the school. I said, "Wait a minute, you said this was the Free Speech Rock."

She said, "Yeah, but not that kind of Free Speech."

Knowing that she was probably right about what would happen if I went through with it, I got out of the line. I still laugh thinking about the terror in her eyes at the thought of my free speech.

Ten years later, she's a stay at home mom and has dropped all or nearly all of the liberal crap from college. She is one of the few people I know who truly is an Independent. And I am much more of a libertarian that I was then, and now I'm pretty disturbed by the beatings administered to Rodney King and others. Funny how things change.

14 posted on 02/05/2002 6:37:52 AM PST by NCLou
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To: 1FellowFreeper
See#13; I forgot you!!

...if ya need a laugh; well, here it is.

15 posted on 02/05/2002 6:45:19 AM PST by Landru
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To: Landru
...Ithaca may in fact be evil; however, someone named "Brandon Crocker" at the IJ sure has heard the alarm clock.

Sorry. According to the part of the editorial I did not post, Crocker lives in San Diego, and is a "guest columnist."

Wait a few days and I am sure that I'll post all the inevitable replies from actual Ithacites calling crocker racist, sexist, homophobic, against academic freedom, etc.

16 posted on 02/05/2002 7:06:09 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: NCLou
now I'm pretty disturbed by the beatings administered to Rodney King and others.

Don't be. You can be libertarian and still realize that a guy hopped up on PCP who led the cops on a high speed chase and refused to surrender even after being hit by a stun gun, etc., was not the victim of a rights violation.

Rodney King is far from the poster boy for the Libertarian party.

17 posted on 02/05/2002 7:08:24 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Unfortunately, this is exactly what one gets when the "counterculture" undergrad from the late '60s has become of tenured status.

Regardless of the Level of the educational institution, be it Preschool, Elementary, Middle, High School, or at the University, we have these leftist flacks who are totally untouchable, and who, also predictably, begin indoctrination from day 1 of a child's educational experience. It has taken a long time to get to this state, but unfortunately, it has arrived.

I can remember in the early 1970's, when I was trying to get this message across to anyone who would listen. I was just out of the military, a Vietnam Vet,trying to get through college myself without drawing fire ;-) and, at that time that fact just about ruined my credibility.

It didn't matter if you were a very right-wing conservative, everyone was trying to put as much distance between them and someone who had served "there" as possible. I was trying to explain to the then "Silent Majority" that these "counterculture" people were not just "Kids, they'll get over it", but were going to one day control the education system, and through it, the governmental process. Saying that back then was usually met with derision.

I just hope the people I tried to convince then, when something could have been done to stop the dominos from falling, are hanging their heads in shame realizing that the danger was real, imminent, and would in time become, like a juggernaut, unstoppable.

Keep the Faith for Freedom

18 posted on 02/05/2002 7:28:47 AM PST by gwmoore
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Don't get me wrong- I agree with what your saying.

I guess when I say I am disturbed by it, I don't mean the particular case, or the particular "victim" Rodney King, but more the issue itself. There was a time when my immediate reaction to anything of that nature was a knee-jerk "He had it coming." Rodney King may indeed have had it coming, and those officers may have been innocent of wrong doing (I do think their double jeopardy rights were clearly violated). But after so many instances of out-of-control local and federal law enforcement, my initial reation is to be disturbed by it.

I don't know all the statistics on it, but I am frustrated because I don't believe over-zealous law enforcement and/or brutality is strictly a black issue. I wish a conservative/libertarian official would take a good hard look at the issue and try to resolve it. If they could really do something about it, they would have a chance to really make a positive impact in the black community (something the Republicans claim they want to do), take an issue away from the Al Sharptons of the world, and strike a blow for individual rights. It would seem to be an issue tailor made for a libertarian-oriented Republican, but no one will touch it.

19 posted on 02/05/2002 7:32:02 AM PST by NCLou
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"Wait a few days and I am sure that I'll post all the inevitable replies from actual Ithacites calling crocker racist, sexist, homophobic, against academic freedom, etc."

Ah-ha; I see.
Wonder how this got past the Ithaca Journal's editor(s), eh?
In any event; this Crocker couldn't have found a better room to play to, then.
IF what you assert is true; &, I do elect to believe your take.
I mean; there're certainly other UW-Madisons & UIUCs & this sounds like just one more.

How about doing me small favor?
Please; ping me to whatever follow-up you might post.
Of special interest would be, "Letters To The Editor."
OK?

...thanks a million.

20 posted on 02/05/2002 9:10:20 AM PST by Landru
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To: Landru; Behind Liberal Lines; mudboy slim; 1FellowFreeper
"...Ithaca may in fact be evil..."

Ithaca is very typical of the small northeastern Liberal arts college. I attended one myself during the Vietnam era, and am often embarrassed by some of the leftist krap contained in my Alumni magazine.

21 posted on 02/05/2002 9:12:09 AM PST by sultan88
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To: sultan88
"I attended one myself during the Vietnam era, and am often embarrassed by some of the leftist krap contained in my Alumni magazine."

Well then.
I've an idea for you, your Highness.
Print this article out.
And the next time ye ol' alum come with their hand out?
Send 'em a copy. ;^)

...they might be Socialists; but, they're the $$-Oriented kind. :o)

(wanna bet that'd get their pinsized brain's attention post haste?)

22 posted on 02/05/2002 9:25:34 AM PST by Landru
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To: Landru
Interestingly enough, the same issue of the Journal had a letter from Martin Luster, Ithaca's (ultra liberal) rep in the NYS Assembly, in which he excoriates, among others, Sen. Joseph Lieberman for alleged criticism of University profs.

So in a way it has already began.

23 posted on 02/05/2002 2:28:09 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"So in a way it has already began."

HA!!
Great stuff this rhetoric business.

...well no one's ever said, the Left wasn't *organized* to the nines.

24 posted on 02/05/2002 2:33:11 PM PST by Landru
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Don't be. You can be libertarian and still realize that a guy hopped up on PCP who led the cops on a high speed chase and refused to surrender even after being hit by a stun gun, etc., was not the victim of a rights violation.

Rodney King is far from the poster boy for the Libertarian party.

IIRC, King didn't have any drugs in his system, he was just drunk. That being said, I can understand the cops beating the hell out of him, but in all fairness I don't think it was their place to do it. The other motorists in the oncoming lane should have gotten first crack at him.

25 posted on 02/05/2002 2:36:48 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
Perhaps but I recall seeing the video and he sure as heck ACTED like a guy hopped up on PCP.

Which is why the cops beat him.

Ironically if one of them had just shot him they'd have probably been in a lot less trouble.

26 posted on 02/05/2002 3:23:05 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Landru;GovernsLeastGovernsBest;Conservative Librarian;LibKill;bentfeather;gaspar...
The follow-up letters, including one from Prof. Barlas herself, have started.

Of special interest is the attempt to label Crocker a "neo-McCarthy"ite by Barlas over his criticism of her.

27 posted on 02/11/2002 5:28:00 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Well, as we now know, McCarthy was right.

And, along with RACIST!, MCCARTHYITE! is what libs shout when they're cornered.

28 posted on 02/11/2002 5:57:32 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker
And, along with RACIST!, MCCARTHYITE! is what libs shout when they're cornered.

You forgot "sexist," "homophobe" and "mean spirited." ;-)

29 posted on 02/11/2002 6:00:04 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Thank you, BLLs.
Some quotes, and comments of my own.

"Asma Barlas
Associate professor and chair, Department of Politics; director of the Center for the Study of Culture, Race, and Ethnicity; Ithaca College, Feb. 6"

Is this an agenda-driven imbecile or is this an agenda-driven imbecile?
Choose one. ;^)
This CLOWN isn't even an American; so, the hag's use of the term McCarthism is beyond absurd.

>snip< to 2nd letter writer's opin...

"At that time a professor told us that the classical purpose of the university was to enable people to withdraw from their immediate surroundings so that they could look at the world with greater perspective; perhaps with a view to making needed changes, perhaps not."

I *think* it's more, "perhaps not" than anything else; and, always Anti-American in any event.
~eh, Lady?
As for withdrawing et al?
To Uranus & Pluto?
Then scream at the rest, "WHY CAN'T YOU SEE!??!" [us]
An university education is rapidly becoming the biggest waste of money one can possibly inflict upon themselves &/or children.

"However, I would never try to stifle dialogue in the classroom, provided the faculty are engaged in honest, reasoned discourse."

Does that make me want to gag, or what.
Lemme guess; this babe's a Liberal 'Rat & *stiffling* dialogue outside the classroom simply a matter of SOP, eh?
As I said; I'd like to wretch my guts out.

...as pointed out in a recent letter, young people will disregard the remarks of fools and scoundrels easily enough, even if they parrot them on exams to pass their courses."

Is that rich?
This idiot had better hope the *students* puke-out the Liberal's bile.
Interestingly enough the educated nonentity writing appears *OK* granting the warped, convoluted Leftist *professorate* first crack at these kids empty skulls.
However, an opposing attempt to speak an OPINION is rejected outright as some kind of threat?
Contradictions galore, Jill.

"Jill Ferguson
Village of Lansing IDIOTS, Feb. 5"

>snip< to another genius...

"I do not know Asma Barlas, and cannot say whether she hates America. But if she does, I'm still waiting for the evidence."

But that sure in the hell doesn't stop you from blathering ad infinitum now, either.
Huh?

"Jonathan Carey
Ithaca College graduate, Class of 2001, Brooklyn, Feb. 5"

...'nuff said.
Thank God in Heaven there weren't any more of these, "letters."

...these frightening examples of ignorance & nievete' on a collosal scale.

30 posted on 02/11/2002 6:04:44 AM PST by Landru
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
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31 posted on 02/11/2002 6:04:57 AM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: Landru
Thank God in Heaven there weren't any more of these, "letters."

You're assuming there weren't...or won't be.

These three letters were the ONLY letters to the editor in today's paper.

I'll keep you posted on whether or not more come in.

Ithaca is the city of evil.

32 posted on 02/11/2002 6:07:20 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: gwmoore
It didn't matter if you were a very right-wing conservative, everyone was trying to put as much distance between them and someone who had served "there" as possible. I was trying to explain to the then "Silent Majority" that these "counterculture" people were not just "Kids, they'll get over it", but were going to one day control the education system, and through it, the governmental process. Saying that back then was usually met with derision.

The protesters of the 60's were often advised to work within the system they so detested. Bad advice in hindsight.

33 posted on 02/11/2002 6:10:27 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights;gwmoore
The protesters of the 60's were often advised to work within the system they so detested. Bad advice in hindsight.

How was it bad advice? A major proponent of this theory (she wrote her thesis on it) was Hillary Rodham, who has had a long and successful career of hiding her socialist, power grabbing agenda behind a public face of "suffering political wife who cares about kids."

34 posted on 02/11/2002 6:13:21 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
the old radical boy/girl network,

He almost had it right. It is really: The Good Ol' Radical-Boy Network.

35 posted on 02/11/2002 6:18:54 AM PST by Brookhaven
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
>From Harvard to Michigan to UC San Diego, editorial comment from our future "journalists" admonish us that the Sept. 11 attacks were "not unwarranted" given our "arrogance" in dealing with the rest of the world.

Terrorism is a counter-balance to political arrogance?

What if the issue were cast in personal terms...

Imagine that there is some cocktail party at a college hall. Imagine Bill Gates is there, among all the 30k/yr professors. If Bill Gates acts "arrogantly" toward the hoi polloi, would they be "warranted" to, say, brutally murder a couple dozen of Bill's family members in retaliation for his "arrogance?"

This "arrogance" argument has been around since 9/12. It's amazingly pervasive and it's amazingly bogus. How can such educated media types continue to put this crap forward? Just how irresponsible can the media be?

Mark W.

36 posted on 02/11/2002 6:19:31 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"You're assuming there weren't...or won't be."

HA!
No; I figure this was only today's batch.
In fact; these 3 pieces of fecal matter were probably the most legible of those recieved.
If the place is as screwed-up as you say I'm sure there was a bag full with spittle all over 'em.
As I said before, I believe you're 101% right-on-the-money about the *Liberal* infestation of the place; no doubt about it.

...there're plenty of other Urbanas & Madisons out there, alright.

37 posted on 02/11/2002 6:20:12 AM PST by Landru
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
How was it bad advice?

Because they ARE the system now. We are reaping the "benefits" of the ultra-left radicals growing up and taking the reins that our indifference has given them.

38 posted on 02/11/2002 6:34:52 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights;gwmoore
Ooops. My mistake. I thought you meant bad advice for them.

You meant bad advice for us.

I see and concede your point.

39 posted on 02/11/2002 7:14:49 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: MarkWar
Believe it or not, your example is not too far off from what some of these nimwits see as reality.

About 10 years ago there was a vicious mass murder in Ithaca of an entire family by an African American.

A few years ago, a columnist recalled that murder and postulated that the family (which was upper middle class) had more or less engaged in an arrogant display of their wealth at some point prior to that, and they were robbed and murdered as a result thereof.

Trust me, no matter how extreme and evil you can imagine a leftist to be, there's always at least one Ithacite who will live up to it.

Hence the "City of Evil" tag.

40 posted on 02/11/2002 7:18:17 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I thought we were on the same page....no problem.

Perhaps the students & faculty in the Ithaca area would like to learn the sport of snipe hunting. After all, Ithaca is Gorges.

(Just kidding----NOT to be taken seriously, only sarcastic humor at work.)

41 posted on 02/11/2002 7:30:13 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Perhaps the students & faculty in the Ithaca area would like to learn the sport of snipe hunting. After all, Ithaca is Gorges.

If we tried to organize a Snipe Hunt in Ithaca the local chapter of PETA would have a "Save the Snipe" rally up and running in a matter of hours. ;-)

42 posted on 02/11/2002 7:37:47 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
ROTFLMFAO!! & soda all over the keyboard!
43 posted on 02/11/2002 7:59:53 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
those bumper stickers are freakin ANNOYING!
44 posted on 02/11/2002 8:40:23 AM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: Benson_Carter;Protect the Bill of Rights
Someday I HAVE to print up "Ithaca is the City of Evil" bumperstickers and made em available to FREEPERS and other like/right minded folks.
45 posted on 02/11/2002 8:47:10 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I want to be the first!!!
46 posted on 02/11/2002 9:00:09 AM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Someday I HAVE to print up "Ithaca is the City of Evil" bumperstickers..

How 'bout:     Forget Tibet.  Free Ithaca.

47 posted on 02/11/2002 12:28:45 PM PST by jigsaw
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To: jigsaw
How 'bout: Forget Tibet. Free Ithaca.

Not bad. Very good actually.

I only see one problem: the slogan will be misunderstood by the dominant lefties of Ithaca who will think it's a call to make Ithaca even MORE socialist.

I think I prefer the "city of evil" sticker if for no other reason than the fact it bug people so arrogant as to brag how "enlightened" their city is nuts.

48 posted on 02/11/2002 3:07:04 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
ITHACA IS GORGES EVIL
49 posted on 02/11/2002 8:27:52 PM PST by Atticus
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
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50 posted on 02/11/2002 8:38:47 PM PST by VOA
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