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Missing Danielle Parents Allegedly Swingers
Larry King Live ^ | Brenda & Damon Van Dam

Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski

Larry asked them about it just now on Larry King Live (2-11-2), and they refused to deny it.


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To: sneakypete
Sneaky, you are being naive to argue that their life style didn't increase the danger to their children.
441 posted on 02/12/2002 3:43:21 AM PST by FreeAtlanta
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To: sneakypete
I will swing while on my yacht.
I will swing while smoking pot.
I will swing while on a plane.
Hell, I might swing while in the rain.
But, I will not eat...uh...never mind.
442 posted on 02/12/2002 3:46:12 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
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To: VA Advogado
Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.
443 posted on 02/12/2002 3:47:01 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Answer me this. -- Is there ANY sane reason for you to make implications about beowolf? - I'll bet not.

Then you'll bet wrong. Beowolf engaged me first, and rather harshly, I might add. I simply put him back in his place.

444 posted on 02/12/2002 3:50:16 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: tpaine
Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.

I didnt attack you. I simply asked you a question. Are you now, or have ever been a 'swinger'.

445 posted on 02/12/2002 3:51:18 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: DoughtyOne
My children's windows were shut and the doors locked. There wouldn't have been a chance for anyone to get at them without my wife and I knowing. I considered that to be my responsibility!

Unless the home is equiped with an alarm system that has an indoor siren most people will not wake up, if there is an intruder inside. Locking doors and windows will not keep even the most inept criminal out. One twist of a pipe wrench on a door knob will break the lock, and give free access to the home. Then it is free roam time for the intruder.

Just be thankful that nothing ever happened to your children, because it wasn't the locked doors and windows that kept the bad guys out. It might have been nothing more than chance.

446 posted on 02/12/2002 3:51:23 AM PST by snodog
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To: grlfrnd
Absolutely! I agree and she would still be alive if someone had had them arrested BEFORE! Or if they still arrested parents for drugs.

You're right! They both probably should have been arrested and sent off to government camps while they were still in junior high school. That is most likely when they first started having sex and doing illegal drugs,like tobacco and alcohol. That right there should be seen as proof they were going to be trouble in the future,and several years in a religious camp run by somebody like Jim Baker,Jesse Jackson, or the preacher from Louisanna who is Jerry Lee Lewis's cousin could only help lead them on the straight and moral track! We just can't have all these people running around out there having non-approved fun! We need to control them!

Speaking of which,I am sure you will join me in my new campaign to eliminate the wearing of sexy underwear. What other purpose does this clothing serve than to arouse sexual desires? I say,"DOWN WITH THONGS!" Will you join me in this call,neighbor? It's for the chilrun.

447 posted on 02/12/2002 3:51:37 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: EricOKC
With all due respect, if parents didnt have sex once in a while, there wouldnt be families with more than one child.

Yeah, but aren't they supposed to have sex with each other??

448 posted on 02/12/2002 3:56:11 AM PST by rogercolleridge
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To: VA Advogado
He commented on the obvious, that you are self rightous. -- Your comeback was a personal slur.
449 posted on 02/12/2002 3:56:26 AM PST by tpaine
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To: VA Advogado
Yep, I swung a lot, -- in first grade. -- How bout you? - Ever make it to second?
451 posted on 02/12/2002 4:00:04 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Petronski;all
"Any husband who swaps his wife around (whether it's his idea or hers, whether she agrees or not) does not have the depth of emotional attachment I would expect from a good parent. These people are starting to seem very creepy."

I agree with you, but I have thought from the minute I saw these parents on TV (before all this swinger stuff was known) they seem ODD to me. Their affect isnt' what I'd expect from distraught parents who have had their precious 7 yr old taken. I'm amazed they can speak in front of cameras without breaking down - there is an emotional *detachment* I think even when they make their public pleas....

As zonked as Chandra Levy's mom always appeared, you knew this woman was completely broken/distraught at her daughter's disappearance.

I think there is more to this story, and probably one of mom's *friends* got access to the girl, and took her.

God please protect that poor innocent child.

452 posted on 02/12/2002 4:00:12 AM PST by SunnyUsa
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To: kwyjibo
Of course, this could help build a fairly solid alibi, like "I was having sex in the garage with a total stranger while my kid was taken."

Why is everybody so sure the people the mother brought home were strangers? This was a local bar/cafe in the neighborhood she went to,and it's likely she knew most of the people there.

453 posted on 02/12/2002 4:00:52 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Don Myers
What is so bad about the matter, they don't even know they are sick. And it is people like this who think they can raise kids.

Wrong. The sickos are the people who raise their children to fear their sexual urges,and to think that they will burn in a pit of fire forever for merely having desires. It's the sexaully repressed/obsessed who are twisted,and they twist their children as a part of their natural being.

I've known several couples who were swingers,and their children all grew up to be responsible and successful adults.

454 posted on 02/12/2002 4:13:09 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Don Myers
. It is the norm for a man to be protective of his wife.

Here is where your thinking goes wrong,Don. You are seeing sex as something a woman needs "protection" from. Maybe even as something that hurts her.

There are many swappers, but they are degenerates who do not love like other men.

They are not "degererates" just because they think differently than you about sex.

455 posted on 02/12/2002 4:17:22 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
Okay, Pete, I'll take this one on...

Of course she is hard and cold-looking. You are seeing your own image reflected back at you. On the other hand,a woman who is involved in mate-swapping is anything BUT "hard and cold".

I would think that it would take a touch of emotional detachment to be a swinger. Most of the women I have known in my life - friends, relatives, lovers - have closely tied sex to an emotional commitment. It is not hard to see that one who does feel that way, i.e. sex=emotional intimacy, would see someone who doesn't feel that way as "cold" emotionally. Since most women do associate sex with emotional intimacy, I would say that a women who is perceived as to not feel that way would be described as "cold."

Wonder if she has a drinking problem?

Meow! And what does this have to do with her daughter being kidnapped? You DO remember there is a missing child,right?

There is an expectation of parental responsibility on the part of society. If one has has a drinking problem that leads to spending hours away from her children and bringing intoxicated "drinking buddies" home at 2:00am, then this is very relavent to the daughter's disappearance. I also think that questioning whether or not someone who stays out until 2:00am at a bar has a drinking problem is a reasonable question.

This is all speculation, but if nothing else, it does seem to me to be a cautionary note for those who think that their "private lifestyles" don't effect their children. Most who are involved in these "lifestyles" are so blinded by them that they can't see the emotional devestation around them.

456 posted on 02/12/2002 4:22:06 AM PST by Crusher138
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To: cactmh
All I can say is that the sex you get must be pretty damn good to either a)whore out your wife, or b)allow your wife to whore herself out.

I think it's pretty interesting that you automatically equate a woman having sex to "whoring herself out". You think sex is dirty,don't you?

457 posted on 02/12/2002 4:35:08 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
The sickos are the people who raise their children to fear their sexual urges,and to think that they will burn in a pit of fire forever for merely having desires. It's the sexaully repressed/obsessed who are twisted,and they twist their children as a part of their natural being. I've known several couples who were swingers,and their children all grew up to be responsible and successful adults.

That's just as moronic a statement as saying that swingers can't be loving parents. I happen to know many couples who you would consider twisted and all their children grew up to have healthy sex lives and not get divorced, either. What you think of as teaching children to "fear" their sexual urges is really teaching them to "control" them. You don't have to scratch every itch, believe it or not, just like you don't have to feed your face every time you think of food. There's a happy balance between The Scarlet Letter and Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice.

Back to the main subject, though, it remains to be seen whether or not Danielle's parents' lifestyle is incidental to her disappearance or not. It may have a lot to do with it, or it may have nothing to do with it. If it was someone outside the home who took her, and that someone knew that the parents' attentions were, shall we say, diverted at the time of the abduction, then their lifestyle choice is fair game, in my opinion. It's not something you can keep secret, and if the parents haven't been honest about their actions on the night in question, when the stakes are so high (their little girl's life), it's my natural urge to suspect the parents of, at the very least, worrying more about their lifestyle being exposed instead of their daughter's life, and I know you think it's healthy to indulge our urges.

Of course, they could have been completely honest with the police and the police could have been trying to "clean up" the parents' alibi for public consumption and not done a very good job of it.

458 posted on 02/12/2002 4:39:07 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: golitely
I heard the Van Dams hired some kick-ass PR firm to represent them.

The mother and dad were on the news last night.

God, the mom looked skanky and the dad looked like a cuckold!

Lotta' miles on the old ladies paws. But in a dark,

smokey bar... I could drink her pretty.

459 posted on 02/12/2002 4:39:37 AM PST by johnny7
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To: mewzilla
Yea I heard the Mother was at the bar and so was the neighbor that is a suspect. This entire story is suspect. So reminiscent of the Ramsey's except no signs of foul play yet.
460 posted on 02/12/2002 4:53:30 AM PST by Blackdakota
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