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Missing Danielle Parents Allegedly Swingers
Larry King Live ^ | Brenda & Damon Van Dam

Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski

Larry asked them about it just now on Larry King Live (2-11-2), and they refused to deny it.


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To: kwyjibo
"True, but the girl was not harmed BECAUSE the "parents" were swingers."

You don't know that. I would argue exactly the opposite. Because they were "swingers" (whoring around might be a better word for it), they are exposing themselves and their children to huge risks. They get drunk/stoned and pick up barflies, then bring them home with them. Aside from sexually transmitted diseases, they should worry about perverts, serial killers, home robbery (excellent casing opportunity, after all) and any number of vile things. Despite claims to the contrary, child molesters often use a parent, usually the mother, as the quickest route to the child.

461 posted on 02/12/2002 4:54:00 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: cactmh
I rest my case. Kids who don't appear in a few days are killed, usually by their parents.
462 posted on 02/12/2002 4:56:22 AM PST by Chemnitz
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To: Petronski
"Swingers" are couples that get together and have sex with each others partners. Its all consensual and usually are doing it at the same time in the same room. They have clubs for these types as well. A disgusting lifestyle if you ask me.
463 posted on 02/12/2002 4:57:10 AM PST by Blackdakota
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To: Petronski
I would think these fellow "swingers" would be primary suspects. They maintain a weird lifestyle, although it certainly doesn't mean that the parents did away with their little girl. It does mean, however, that they had frequent contact with people who have "beyond-the-norm" sexual preferences. And some of these people were in the house the night Danielle disappeared. We know the neighbor, the mother and other liasons of theirs were in the house past 2:30am. We don't know what the father was doing while the wife was out. He said he was asleep, but while the mouse was out, it stands to reason that the cat could play. Mom said the door was open. IMHO, either the father's play partners or the mother's did something to this little girl. Maybe the father himself did. These parents are crazy to let people with perverted sexual preferences anywhere near their children!
464 posted on 02/12/2002 4:58:49 AM PST by twigs
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To: EricOKC
Swinging is totally disgusting. You have certainly identified yourself as a wierdo haven't you?
465 posted on 02/12/2002 4:59:38 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: Don Myers
"So if a mate engages in swinging without being committed to it, and the other mate just keeps getting his/her jollies doing it, it is just bad communication."

I think the real problem in marriages like this is that neither partner had a real commitment to the marriage. Unfortunately, in this day and age when even the meaning of "is" comes under fire, no one takes solemn vows very seriously. When you vow to God and your mate, in front of family, friends, and the congregation, to remain true, then break those vows, how can that lead to anything worthwhile?

466 posted on 02/12/2002 5:02:36 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: twigs
I agree completely. The minute I heard they were swingers I knew they weren't innocent.
467 posted on 02/12/2002 5:07:01 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: EricOKC
"Typical - insult what you dont understand.."

A case of the pot calling the kettle black? See post #208, where someone named EricOKC wrote:

I mean, I cant imagine anyone would be able to remain faithful being married to a closed minded, judgemental, sanctimonious prig like yourself...

You might have it both ways in your marriage, but in a debate, there are people present who actually think and reason. Your arguments don't hold up well here. We see them for what they are, even if you don't.

468 posted on 02/12/2002 5:10:42 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: golitely
Calling "swinging" just an alternate lifestyle choice that is OK because everybody consents to it is like dressing up a "titty bar" (my dad's terminology) with a nice restaurant and valet parking and calling it a "Gentlemen's Club". A rose by any other name is still a strip joint, and married couples who have an "open marriage" with other couples, for whatever reason, are still screwing around, no matter what you call it.
469 posted on 02/12/2002 5:11:17 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: twigs;Petronski
They maintain a weird lifestyle, although it certainly doesn't mean that the parents did away with their little girl. It does mean, however, that they had frequent contact with people who have "beyond-the-norm" sexual preferences. And some of these people were in the house the night Danielle disappeared

Birds of a feather . . . in this case, not the best birds.

470 posted on 02/12/2002 5:12:30 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: JavaTheHutt
I wouldn't put much stock in that -- lie detectors are one step (if that) ahead of tea leaves and chicken entrails.
471 posted on 02/12/2002 5:14:41 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Ole Okie
I'm not surprised this story has "grown legs" and also grown fingers pointing at the parents. What struck me in the first news reports was #1 that the mom came home at 2:30 am from a bar with some gang of people. My hubby and I have been known to hoist quite a few, QUITE a few in our time, and the latest I ever came home was 11:30 after the office Christmas party, and hubby was PACING the driveway, in an absolute snit. He was right, and I was wrong I freely admit it, but, I was alone, no after party at our house!

#2, and this one REALLY got me, why didn't the mom check on the kids when she got home? This to me makes NO sense. You always check on your kids, ALWAYS, it's an instinct. My kid is 16, if I fall asleep on the coach and wake up at 2 am, even if I know she was home when I fell asleep, I still check on her as I make my way to the bed.

As we say in New York, these parents are not Kosher. As we say in general, their story sounds pretty fishy. The idea that the mom and the neighbor were dancing at the bar is just too much.

I hope the local police recall the case of the poor girl from Long Island who was kept prisoner in a home-made dungeon. As hubby exclaimed to me while I was reading 'emerging details' in Newsday (the Long Island daily paper)'Does it disturb you? That she was surrounded by child molesters? DOES IT DISTURB YOU?!?!' Of course, it did disturb me very much. The little girl from Long Island was rescued, finally. Luckily her captor wasn't killed in a car crash, nor dropped dead of a heart attack (he was no kid the guy, in his 50's) before the cops cracked his story. I hope poor Danielle will be so lucky.

If the parents know stuff they're not telling,they better spill their guts NOW! Or they are going to really rot in Hell.

Jessica

472 posted on 02/12/2002 5:18:30 AM PST by jocon307
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To: EricOKC
Way to hang in on this thread, your frankness is refreshing.

I don't participate in "swinging", I've known people who did, and you are right in saying that most people here probably would never be able to ID a swinger on sight. In fact, I dare say that any one here who has a fairly large circle of friends, acquaintances, and work relations, knows a swinger or two.

I don't know if their actions that night precipitated the kidnapping, I wouldn't go as far as pinpointing guilt on them based on their sexual promiscuity, or "lifestyle", I don't think Molly Klaas had "swinger" parents.

Truth of the matter is that this kind of thing happens, to "swingers" as well as to normal, everyday families. It seems to me that way too many people in here are willing to lay blame on the parents, and seem to be forgetting that whomever took that little girl is the guilty party, her parents sexual preferences do not excuse the kidnapping.

I have read comments here from people calling your lifestyle "sick", and "perverted", praying for you.

The biggest bunch of sexual deviants and adulterers I ever came across where members of a Church in a small town in Alabama where I lived once for a few months on a job-related assignment. Everyone was sleeping with someone else's wife, including the Pastor, who was sleeping with an 18 year-old member of his choir. I know all this because his wife is my oldest friend, and I helped her get a lawyer when she divorced him. I guess I can now claim the moral high ground and brand all Southern Baptists as sick, adulterers, and vile sinners. Turn about is fair play they say. But it would be wrong to do that wouldn't it?

It wouldn't surprise me if some of those very same type of people are in here passing judgement on you. I wonder how many of them would be as willing to have their bedroom actions judged by us all.

Hang in there;

Luis

473 posted on 02/12/2002 5:19:28 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: grlfrnd
"If these people had paid attention to their children this girl might still be alive, provided they weren't in on it."

grlfrnd, that's the thing that bothers me the most. Anyone who would do the things these "parents" do, would not necessarily be above bringing their children into that "lifestyle." After all, if they believe in it with all their heart as EricOKC seems to, why wouldn't they think it in the "best interest of the child" to bring them into it, too? If I were the police, I'd sure be looking into that family, questioning everyone (that they know of) they've "brought home" for their little sex parties--could it be the daughter was part of the party, and someone got too rough?

474 posted on 02/12/2002 5:20:17 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: Luis Gonzalez
THANK you THANK YOU Luis, for adding a much needed voice of reason.!!!!!!!!!!! (as usual!!)
475 posted on 02/12/2002 5:21:50 AM PST by Neets
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To: Hildy
Oh, please. They are engaged in illegal and adulterous behavior on the same night their daughter disappears and it is an addictive lifestyle they continue to choose!

If you had a problem be content that you overcame it and you did not lose a child over it.

476 posted on 02/12/2002 5:23:54 AM PST by a_witness
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To: Blackdakota
...except no signs of foul play yet.

Sorry to post two replies, but what on earth do you mean, no signs of foul play? There's a ten year old, she goes to bed, in the morning she's gone, she doesn't turn up in an hour or two...is this not a sign of foul play? If you mean no sign of murder, that's one thing, but there has certainly been "play" and it has certainly been foul. I do not think foul play means just murder,or even violence, it means illegal activity.

477 posted on 02/12/2002 5:24:06 AM PST by jocon307
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To: OneidaM
Thanks
478 posted on 02/12/2002 5:25:44 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Hey, that's one heck of an essay. (#148) I enjoyed it for its coherence and plain sense.

What I hear that sometimes makes me uneasy is when a character like Mrs. Dam is castigated for a "cold demeanor"--seems to me that a mom who's holding onto sanity by her fingernails might just exhibit innapropriate demeanor. Some people react to horror with the giggles.

Better evidence does suggest that she's a bad 'un, though, than mere facial affect.

479 posted on 02/12/2002 5:33:10 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Selara
"I am curious as to why you feel compelled to defend and promote a non-monogamous marriage lifestyle. I am curious as to what motivates you into attacking monogamy."

Reading this thread this morning, I had the same question. "Methinks ErickOKC protesteth too much." Maybe there's more jealousy here than is at first apparent.

480 posted on 02/12/2002 5:48:54 AM PST by MizSterious
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