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Missing Danielle Parents Allegedly Swingers
Larry King Live ^ | Brenda & Damon Van Dam

Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski

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To: FITZ
When the guy from Sears knocks on your door, do you just let him in to fix the dishwasher, or do you run a background check on him with the sexual predator database before you allow him into your house?

IOW, how do you know that that repairman wasn't at a swingers club the night before?

561 posted on 02/12/2002 8:09:54 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: twigs
I bet that if we discuss the intimate details of your lovemaking, and your sexual history, I can find plenty of people that may find things that you consider normal to be "perverted".
562 posted on 02/12/2002 8:13:06 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: jocon307
Well, one thing is for sure; if my wife was out barhopping, and she didn't make it home before 2:30, I would be out rather angrily looking for her.

A really bothersome thing is that the alarm system indicated an open door (described in one writeup as an open sliding patio door and an open garage door). That evidently evoked no curiosity on the part of the husband or wife. I think the first reaction of any parent would have been to see if the kids were OK.

And the mom dancing with the suspected next door neighbor? Something smells about the whole setup.

563 posted on 02/12/2002 8:14:20 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: JavaTheHutt
NO doubt the guy is strange. Something is definatley strange with the whole situation.
564 posted on 02/12/2002 8:16:19 AM PST by cactmh
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To: Ole Okie
"Well, one thing is for sure; if my wife was out barhopping, and she didn't make it home before 2:30, I would be out rather angrily looking for her. "

She wouldn't even be my wife. But that is the difference in the sub-cultures of our society. They do things differently. They think differently. They act differently. And we are talking about sub-cultures. People who live on the seamy side of life don't have the same values as the majority. I am hoping that they are still the minority.

565 posted on 02/12/2002 8:19:07 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Luis Gonzalez;Fritz
"IOW, how do you know that that repairman wasn't at a swingers club the night before?"

If you pick up some dude from a bar, you know what you are dealing with. There is a question about the repairman who you call to fix something. But you still don't trust any stranger that comes into your house. You watch that person, and a woman alone should never let in anyone.

566 posted on 02/12/2002 8:22:09 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Sneakypete is totally cynical about the world. I am as well, but he outdoes even me. I sense something really messed up in his mind, almost evil. He is not a man you could turn your back on. Sneaky, you need help. I have been a correctional officer in a state pen. You make the right sounds to be an inmate.

Good grief. YOU sense evil? You call pete a messed up convict type? -- Pete was out there in Nam, putting his life on the line while you were acting 'tough cop' in front of a bunch of losers.

Your prior record of posts here at FR have real evidence of the 'evil' in your heart, as does the one above. -- Pete may be cynical, but at least he is honest to himself. You're a rank hypocrite, in my book.

567 posted on 02/12/2002 8:22:39 AM PST by tpaine
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To: golitely
You assume a lot of things here.

You assume that there are wedding vows involved, there may not have been any, one CAN get married by a clerk at the County Court.

Two, you are using the word "violate" which implies that one of the spouses is either unaware, or opposed to the actions, they do not seem to be.

And you assume that I am attacking a Christian marriage, I am not attacking anything.

If anything, the attacks come from "good Christian folks" who have yet to offer a prayer for a little lost girl, or a prayer that these parents find salvation.

Go ahead, castr that stone, Jesus is watching, and He CAN sit in judgement.

568 posted on 02/12/2002 8:25:08 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: tpaine
Well, hi, Tom. Are you still out there? You and I have posted before to each other. Your opinion is hardly unbiased.

Sneakypete was in Vietnam? Well, gee, so were a lot of us. And what does that have to do with such a poisoned outlook on life? Such a person needs help, not mere sympathy.

569 posted on 02/12/2002 8:27:20 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: murdoog
Agreed, as of this moment all we have is a talk show host throwing allegations around from "unnamed" sources about their sexual activities. Let alone anything regarding how this may or may not relate to their missing child.

I will hold judgement on their parental ability until something far more than talk show and internet allegations occur. If it turns out they are involved in a lifestyle and that lifestyle directly contributed to their childs disappearance I will condemn them. For now though, I'll wait and see.

570 posted on 02/12/2002 8:28:09 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The guy from Sears does not knock on my door unannounced. There is an appointment made. My husband, or some other family member, is here when he arrives. It is fairly well-known that appliance repairmen are frequently ex-felons. I do not allow them in my home unless someone is with me. I won't discuss other self-protection measures we take, but trust me, we take them.
571 posted on 02/12/2002 8:28:30 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: Ole Okie
The story was that this was NOT a next door neighbor, but lived some blocks away in a very densely settled condo and apartment zone, thousands of people lived as close to the Van Dams as Westerfield did...they did not know him, had never seen him, until they went to his door selling Girl Scout Cookies!

Sounds like the conversation drifted from cookies to making an appointment to meet at a bar, and maybe more...with the little girl present?

572 posted on 02/12/2002 8:30:11 AM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
"Sounds like the conversation drifted from cookies to making an appointment to meet at a bar, and maybe more...with the little girl present?"

Very possibly. We don't know for sure yet just what happened. But a casual pickup or sexual liason with a total stranger would not be alien to these people.

573 posted on 02/12/2002 8:32:24 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Perhaps you didn't read the thread from the beginning. Prayers have been offered up, and I've had this wee one on my daily prayer list since I first heard about her disappearance. Talk about assumptions. And--any marriage should be considered a sacred bond. Even civil ceremonies usually use that term. If you are not ready to settle down with one partner for life, perhaps it's not yet time to get married. There's nothing wrong with waiting until both people are ready for such a commitment.
574 posted on 02/12/2002 8:33:03 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: golitely
It has been interesting watching how this thread has gone. It has gone from a post about a missing seven year old girl to people either condemning or defending a degenerate lifestyle. This thread shows the depth of corruptness in our society.
575 posted on 02/12/2002 8:35:50 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
So then, you believe that "sexual deviants" don't have jobs? Or are youi making the argument that no service techs are sexual deviants?
576 posted on 02/12/2002 8:39:58 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: cactmh
NO doubt the guy is strange. Something is definatley strange with the whole situation.

I completely agree with you about that. Anyone who collects child pornography is very strange indeed. Allthough in all fairness, the authorities haven't given specifics on the pornography they seized. In today's world of hyper sensitivity, I think anybody that has a Sears catalog in their home with children posing in their Fruit Of The Looms runs a risk of being labeled a pedophile, sexual deviant, child pornographer etc...

I think that in this situation, the confiscated material is probably much more serious than a Sears catalog, yet the police are not very forthcoming on details on this case, so all anyone can really do is speculate.

If you'll excuse me now, I have to go get my tinfoil hat. I dont want to risk having the thought police break down my door if I accidently speculate on the evidence they have on this guy.

577 posted on 02/12/2002 8:40:43 AM PST by JavaTheHutt
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Very well said!!

".......and again, just like the homosexuals (and their use of the word 'homophobia'), the pedophiles, other weirdos, and now these swingers, it's everybody else who isn't normal.

Nah, there's nothing abnormal about having sex with another man. You're "homophobic", there must be something wrong with you, not me.

Pedophiles: "Girls are sexual ripe at age 13. It's normal for me at 40 to want to have sex with her. What are you, some kind of prude or something/"

Swingers: "So what if I like to watch my wife get it from other men. It's normal, I'm a successful businessman, have lots of money.......can't be anything wrong with me!! You're sexually suppressed, what's wrong with you.

It's nonsense flying out of their mouths. So it goes.

578 posted on 02/12/2002 8:51:32 AM PST by cactmh
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To: golitely
The First Amendment to the Constitution was designed to avoid a theocracy from becoming the form of government for the US. While you have every right to believe as you do, and to practice however you wish to practice, those rights belong to those people who do not share your views on morality every bit as much as they belong to you.

As a society we have defined certain boundaries, one being the age of sexual consent. People are not allowed to have sex with minors because as a society, we find this to be repulsive, and have made that action illegal.

There is nothing illegal about "swinging". It does not fit in with my beliefs, but I do not impose my beliefs on others. As a matter of fact, I defend the rights of others to believe differently than I do.

All in all, regardless of the parent's acrions, the criminal here is the person who took the little girl, the parent's sexual preferences did not give him (or her) license to abduct a child.

579 posted on 02/12/2002 8:52:14 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
There is nothing illegal about "swinging". It does not fit in with my beliefs, but I do not impose my beliefs on others. As a matter of fact, I defend the rights of others to believe differently than I do.

It is not illegal to own Pit Bulls. If a child in my neighborhood is the victim of an attack by unknown dogs and I own Pit Bulls, I will expect to be questioned by authorities.

Most child abductions that are not because of custody disputes are sexually motivated. That makes any peculiar sexual behavior by the parents quite germane to the investigation.

580 posted on 02/12/2002 9:04:05 AM PST by zevonfan
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