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Congress Not Advised Of Shadow Government
Washington Post ^ | March 2, 2002 | Amy Goldstein and Juliet Eilperin

Posted on 03/02/2002 10:32:04 AM PST by SharpEye

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Bush Calls Security 'Serious Business'

Key congressional leaders said yesterday the White House did not tell them that President Bush has moved a cadre of senior civilian managers to secret underground sites outside Washington to ensure that the federal government could survive a devastating terrorist attack on the nation's capital.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: conspiracy; constitutionlist; govwatch; historylist; nwo; terrorwar; tinfoilhat; warlist
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To: angkor
Yuh, sure. DemoRat liars Daschle and Gephardt don't know about this. The "Continuation Of Government" plan is a complete mystery to the two most powerful Rats in Washington.

Laughable.

Subject: AMERICA UNDER ATTACK
From: BreakingNews@CNN.COM
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 02:23pm

NEW YORK (CNN) -- In what appeared to be coordinated acts of terrorism, two jets crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center, collapsing them Tuesday while another aircraft crashed into the Pentagon. Hundreds were injured or killed, if not more.

A fourth aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania with 45 people on board.

President Bush said the United States would "hunt down and punish" the terrorists responsible. U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell cut short a trip to Peru to return to the United States. He also vowed, "The U.S. government will find out who is responsible."

The U.S. military went on full alert. Two aircraft carriers left the Naval base in Norfolk, Va., in response to the attacks. At the Pentagon, witnesses said a plane crashed into what is known as the "Army Corridor," the building collapsed and there wase an undetermined number of casualties.

Bush, who wound up an tour in Florida that was to focus on education, did not return to Washington out of concerns for his safety but flew to an Air Force base in Louisiana. Later, Air Force One took from Barksdale Air Force Base, its destination unknown.

Officials in Washington said a "Continuation of Government" plan had been activated. The activation involves a fortified facility at Mount Weather, Va. There was no word whether any of the U.S. leadership or ranking military officers had been taken to the facility, but Congressional leaders were said to be assembling outside Washington.

The city of Washington declared a state of emergency.

61 posted on 03/02/2002 11:42:09 AM PST by angkor
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To: SharpEye
DASHOLE would take out a full page article explaining everything and all locations
62 posted on 03/02/2002 11:42:44 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: spoosman
I concur.

If this had been exposed under the Xlinton regime everybody on this forum would be screaming bloody murder !!


63 posted on 03/02/2002 11:43:05 AM PST by unixfox
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To: spoosman
now Bush II conditions us to accept a shadow government

You are just waaaaay too influenced by buzz words. What Bush is providing for is continuity of government. If DC is attacked and the president and a number of congress are killed or maimed, there will be chaos in the country. By having senior members of the available to make sure that emergency procedures are set up, that paychecks will continue, that the pentagon is organized, we are assuring that the terrorists do not succeed in destroying everything in one fell swoop. Because someone has labeled it "shadow government" all the conspiracy types are all up in arms. Use your head. The government is not evil, the excessive use and infringment of government is what you fear. This is America, you sound like you'd be more comforable in an Arab country where conspiracy theories are rampant.

64 posted on 03/02/2002 11:43:15 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Howlin
They don't think Howlin. It was amusing for them to get into all this "conspiracy theory" when times are good and there is no real threat on the horizon, but they don't seem to be able to recognize a real threat when they see it. Perhaps because the threats they've lived with in their minds so long have been far more outlandish.

They are all starting to sound suspicously like the Arabs in the street who think the CIA or the Mossad are behind every evil in the world. They are like silly, uneducated children and if they want to be wiped out by terrorists it's their business, but I have no intention of allowing them to take the rest of us along with them.

65 posted on 03/02/2002 11:47:51 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
The Democrats and the press are trying to find ANYTHING to slap on Bush, and this story has been hyped to the max, IMO. If the stupid press didn't know that they were making plans IN CASE, then they should ALL be fired. I could figure that out down here in North Carolina.

As far as the posters on this board who LOVE anything anti-Bush or that could possibly be construed as anti-freedom.......well, I won't go into it. We all know it when we see it.

66 posted on 03/02/2002 11:52:08 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Precisely. This president doesn't need to be burned twice.

Here is a rant I had yesterday .. maybe I'll share it here

OK .... WARNING ..... WARNING ... Mo RANT TIME

Well I didn't have much time to really watch the news today and only caught a bit of Tony Snow

Am I correct .. that the Midget Dasshole is now saying he was not complaining about the President but only was making a statement about the War and how that Congress needs to be INFORMED .. the THEY need to know the DIRECTION of the war ..

HELLO YOU #&*@#^@&# MIDGET ... The President did that once .. and is was LEAKED to the Washington paper .. REMEMBER THAT YOU #*#&$&$ MOROoN

ASLO Tommy you (@&$&*$^ IDIOT ... We all know that the President is informing YOU along with I believe a few other top memebers of Congress

This #($&#&@( IDIOT will not be statisfied until every American is killed .. because all HE cares about is POWER

OH GREAT .. Now Pansy Chris Matthews is whining ... why do we have to have a shadow government .. HEY YOU MOROON ... maybe because the President and Washington is a TARGET ...

I am soooooooo mad .... GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..

OK ... sorry for the interruption ...

and

This is NOT a game .. we are at War .. these terrorist want us dead ... WHAT PART OF THAT DO THESE MOROONS NOT UNDERSTAND ...I trust my life and the lives of my children in the hands of President Bush a hell of a lot more then I do the Midget Dasshole

67 posted on 03/02/2002 11:52:40 AM PST by Mo1
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To: Mo1
Very well said, IMO.
68 posted on 03/02/2002 11:53:33 AM PST by Howlin
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To: spoosman; Anniegetyourgun; Howlin


Novus Ordo Seclorum
A New Order of the Ages

Be careful.... ever so careful.

69 posted on 03/02/2002 11:54:02 AM PST by deport
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To: Mo1
Good rant Mo. I think the media is mad because they don't have a safe place to go.
70 posted on 03/02/2002 11:55:10 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Howlin
Senator Pettifog: "George W. Bush is promoting a horrible and unconstitutional `shadow government' . I've never been so profoundly shocked and troubled in my entire political life."

Bulletin of Atomic Scientists
November/December 2001 Vol. 57, No. 6, pp. 50-51
By Stephen I. Schwartz
http://www.thebulletin.org/issues/2001/nd01/nd01schwartz.html

In the immediate aftermath of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the U.S. government implemented emergency plans that until then had been envisioned for use only in the event of an all-out nuclear war.

The most dramatic of these was the decision by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and the Federal Aviation Administration to ground all non-military aircraft in U.S. airspace (or in transit to the United States). At 9:25 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time, all aircraft nationwide not already in the air were grounded, and those in the air were ordered to return to where the flight originated or to land at a nearby airport. By 2:07 p.m., all domestic aircraft were on the ground and by 5:30 p.m., all international flights were either on U.S. or Canadian soil. All commercial flights remained grounded until September 13, and significant restrictions on small, general aviation aircraft remained in place at the time this issue went to press.

The plan under which this order was implemented is known as Security Control of Air Traffic and Navigation Aids, or Scatana. Developed in the 1960s, Scatana was originally intended to clear the skies following confirmed warnings of an attack by the Soviet Union. This would have provided unrestricted airspace for U.S. bomber aircraft and missiles, as well as air defense interceptor aircraft, emergency airborne command posts, and associated support aircraft like refueling tankers. Until September 11, 2001, Scatana had never been fully implemented, although it was partially activated by accident during a 1979 false alarm at NORAD.

According to Defense Week, NORAD issued a "notice to airmen" implementing a modified version of Scatana approximately five hours after American Airlines Flight 11 slammed into the north tower of the World Trade Center. Although all civilian aircraft were grounded, ground navigation aids were not turned off (as they would have been during a nuclear attack), allowing airliners to safely navigate to their new and unexpected destinations.

Also activated in full for the first time on September 11 were plans for ensuring "Continuity of Government," or CoG. Shortly after watching the attacks in New York City on a television in his White House office, Vice President Dick Cheney was evacuated by the Secret Service to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC), a hardened bunker buried beneath the East Wing of the White House. Once there (along with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta, and a few other staff members), Cheney used a secure telephone to contact President George W. Bush, who was in Sarasota, Florida, visiting a school. As Cheney told Tim Russert on NBC's Meet the Press on September 16, in his conversation with the president he "strongly urge[d] him to delay his return" because of fears that Washington, D.C. was going to be attacked (those fears were compounded by a telephone call to the Secret Service indicating that Air Force One was an intended target).

Bush subsequently boarded Air Force One and took to the air as officials scrambled to ascertain what was happening. At one point, the Secret Service considered sending him to NORAD's headquarters inside Cheyenne Mountain near Colorado Springs, Colorado. After touching down briefly at Barksdale Air Force Base near Bossier City, Louisiana (site of the U.S. Strategic Command's alternate underground command post), to deliver a hastily prepared statement, the president headed to Offutt Air Force Base near Omaha, Nebraska, communicating with Cheney, military leaders, and the National Security Council via secure teleconference and videoconference links from Stratcom's primary underground command post, before eventually returning to Washington, D.C. in the evening.

It is probable that Stratcom's fleet of airborne command posts, including those based near Omaha nicknamed "Looking Glass," were placed under increased security and that preparations were made to make them airborne. It is also likely that the president's specially shielded and outfitted airborne command post, known as the National Airborne Operations Center or NAOC (code-named "Night Watch"), was also readied (it is normally kept on 15-minute ground alert). Indeed, the president's diversion to Omaha suggests that officials were at least contemplating moving him from Air Force One to NAOC where he could, if necessary, remain aloft for as long as 72 hours while directing a military response.

From the White House bunker, Cheney ordered the evacuation of everyone designated as a successor to the president, including the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Cong. Dennis Hastert, Republican of Illinois; the president pro tempore of the Senate, Robert C. Byrd, Democrat of West Virginia; and the entire Cabinet (except Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who remained at the Pentagon), as well as the rest of the congressional leadership. The Secret Service tried at least twice to convince Cheney to evacuate as well, "but I didn't want to leave the node that we'd established there in terms of having all this capability tied together by communications . . . and if I'd left . . . all of that would have been broken down . . . so I thought it was appropriate for me to stay there in the White House."

Hastert, and presumably most if not all the others who were in the Washington, D.C. area, were picked up at designated assembly points by Marine Corps helicopters kept ready for that purpose. They were transported to "a secure facility," most likely the Federal Emergency Management Agency's bunker known as the High Point Special Facility, inside Mount Weather near Berryville, Virginia, 48 miles (approximately 20 minutes by air) from Washington. (Senior officials who happened to be away from Washington would have been taken to one or more of the many emergency relocation sites located throughout the country. According to a former official from the White House Military Office, by 1980 there were reportedly more than 75 such facilities.) The underground complex at Mount Weather, which was built over four years at a cost of more than $1 billion and opened in 1958, contains an estimated 600,000 square feet of floor space. The facility, which was designed to accommodate several thousand people, includes a hospital, dining and recreation areas, sleeping quarters, an emergency power plant, a radio and television studio, a direct link to the White House, storage tanks capable of holding 500,000 gallons of water, and a crematorium. The only previous time High Point was fully activated was November 9, 1965, during a major power blackout across much of the northeast United States.

Alternatively, some or all of these officials may have been sent to Site R, officially known as the Alternate Joint Communications Center. Since 1953, Site R has served as the backup Pentagon, with more than 700,000 square feet of floor space, sophisticated computer and communications equipment, and room for more than 3,000 people. Located inside Raven Rock Mountain about six miles north of Camp David on the Pennsylvania-Maryland border, Site R continued to operate as a major CoG facility even as other facilities were mothballed in the 1990s. As recently as 1997, it had more than 500 military and civilian personnel reportedly working there (although not on round-the-clock shifts, which ended in February 1992).

During the Cold War, every federal agency had its own emergency relocation site for use during and after a nuclear war. Senior officials at the Treasury Department apparently worked from their site on September 11 and it is likely officials from other departments did as well.

Fear and uncertainty about the terrorists' plans, the whereabouts of any accomplices, and ongoing concerns about the safety of the president in Washington, D.C., led Vice President Cheney to spend his evenings and perhaps some days of the remainder of that week at the presidential retreat at Camp David, where there is also a secure, if rather austere, underground shelter. At least one television report suggested Cheney was also spending time at Site R during this tense period, a wholly plausible scenario. Even as late as September 20, when President Bush ventured to Capitol Hill to address the nation, security concerns kept Cheney away, reportedly the first time a vice president has not appeared with a president before a joint session of Congress (Senator Byrd took his seat on the dais). House majority leader Richard Armey, Republican of Texas, also skipped the event at the request of security officials.

How well all of this worked is as yet unknown and is, in any event, highly classified. While there are still regular emergency evacuation drills for designated senior officials, and although the White House Communications Agency and FEMA still track the location of each duly designated presidential successor, there were almost certainly a few problems locating everyone and getting all the equipment and communications links up and running.

While the CoG plans evidently worked well, the mass evacuations of all federal government buildings and many private office buildings in New York City, Washington, D.C., Chicago, and elsewhere created massive traffic jams, bringing traffic in some areas to a standstill for hours. This demonstrated once and for all the utter unreality and futility of civil defense plans devised by government officials, who from the 1950s through the 1980s promoted orderly citywide evacuations to the countryside as the best means of defense against a nuclear attack.

Stephen I. Schwartz is publisher of the Bulletin and executive director of the Educational Foundation for Nuclear Science. He is the editor and co-author of Atomic Audit: The Costs and Consequences of U.S. Nuclear Weapons Since 1940 (1998).<

71 posted on 03/02/2002 11:57:32 AM PST by angkor
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To: Howlin
I propose we create a "shadow press." We could operate from a secure location and be ready to activate at a moment's notice when all these people who think there isn't any threat (except, of course, from President Bush) are blown to smithereens in a nuclear suitcase bomb explosion.

I am so darn sick of this. The Washington Post makes up a catchy phrase and the entire media goes into hysteria. Then Daschle LIES and no one calls him on it.

And the Bush-haters on this board are welcome to sit in the center of DC with big old targets painted on them, as far as I am concerned.

72 posted on 03/02/2002 11:58:49 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: McGavin999
Good rant Mo. I think the media is mad because they don't have a safe place to go.

Guess what Media .. neither do I ..

All I know is what my mother also told me .. make sure your bags are pack because you'll never know when you'll meet your maker ..

Also on the topic of the Media .. MAYBE they should read the articles that THEY print .. they might learn something ..

73 posted on 03/02/2002 11:59:52 AM PST by Mo1
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To: Miss Marple
I propose we create a "shadow press."

We already have, it's called FreeRepublic ;o)

74 posted on 03/02/2002 12:03:10 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
Operating from my secure location, deep in the suburbs of a midwestern city, I stand ready to answer my country's call.

My mission: to ask Tom Daschle in a press conference, on national television, why is he a LIAR??

75 posted on 03/02/2002 12:07:53 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: spoosman
Sweet dreams America. Bend over, because and even bigger pole is coming your way. Don't worry it won't hurt at all. Why? Because your benevolent shadow govt of the even more benevolent NWO says so. Oh, I have some GREAT NEWS!!!

Miss your medication this morning, did you?

Actually, it's not your fault - I've been waiting since the WP, in an effort to sell newspapers, called it a "shadow government." (because just calling it "dispersing personnel to make government agencies less vulnerable to terrorist attack" isn't nearly as sexy as "shadow government") What have I been waiting for? The FREAKING NUTCASES TO COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK! Thank you very much - You're only a little bit late: I expected to start reading this crap yesterday. They must be making Reynolds Wrap thicker these days...


76 posted on 03/02/2002 12:09:36 PM PST by LouD
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To: Miss Marple
Well, operating from MY secure location in the balmy desert of Arizona, I can tell you that you won't get an answer, at least not an answer that makes any sense.

If congress has a right to know the contingency plans of the executive branch, then the people have a right to know the contingency plans of congress. Someone needs to ask him where their secure location is. We want details, you know, where it's located, how they plan on arriving. etc.

77 posted on 03/02/2002 12:12:07 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: SharpEye
Well, when the next Clinton is in power let's see how many here will be cheering for keeping Congress out of the loop. Can't anyone here think beyond today?
78 posted on 03/02/2002 12:13:59 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: anniegetyourgun
President Carter in 1978 reviewed the old COG plans from the Eisenhower Administration and issued Executive Orders to have the plans updated. President Reagan went a few steps further and enhanced and made the plans reality. Klinton dismantled/scrapped some of the programs early in his administration. I think now GWB is putting back in place what Klinton removed.
79 posted on 03/02/2002 12:14:10 PM PST by CJinVA
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To: SharpEye
G.W. would be foolish to tell Congress anything that concerns security.Your Democritic Plurality leader Dasshole would spill his guts to upset any plans.Leaky Leahy would break his damn neck looking for reporters and Fritz Hollings would blame it on ENRON.Ted Kennedy and his buddy Chris Dodd would turn it into a sandwich episode and Hillary Clinton would kiss every Arab in site.Rep. Lee from California would vote against it and Shelia Jackson Lee would ride her limousine all the way from Texas back to DC. By the way is Maxine Waters,Charlie Rangle, and John Conyers still living?Maybe they have already hooked up with Bin Laden!
80 posted on 03/02/2002 12:15:51 PM PST by gunnedah
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