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Immigration Amnesty Passes House
Fox News ^ | 03/13/02

Posted on 03/13/2002 3:24:46 AM PST by Enemy Of The State

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:32:49 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt said he would support the bill with the border security provisions.

WASHINGTON — Despite calls to tighten the country's immigration laws following the September terror attacks, House leaders on Tuesday pushed through a bill that would allow some illegal immigrants to stay in the country while their residency paperwork is being processed.


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1 posted on 03/13/2002 3:24:46 AM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Travis mcgee; snow bunny; Enemy Of The State;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub;; JohnHuang2;rightwing2...
Ping!
2 posted on 03/13/2002 3:26:48 AM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
If Robert Byrd kills this turkey through a filibuster... heck we'll give West Va. all the pork it needs. ;-)
3 posted on 03/13/2002 3:28:06 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Enemy Of The State
They're traitors.
4 posted on 03/13/2002 3:30:41 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Enemy Of The State
Dang...that old saying "Politics makes strange bedfellows"...In this instance, I'm hoping Byrd succeeds on the Amnesty Bill. (At least my Rep voted NAY last evening.)
5 posted on 03/13/2002 3:33:03 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: goldstategop
Families are being separated because the INS can't get its work done fast enough, Armey said.

"It is not right to let families be victimized by, if you will pardon the expression, bureaucratic indifference or incompetence," Armey said. "That is not right and we don't believe that is the way it should be."

Dear Rep. Armey, you mean the INS that approved Mohammad Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi's visas just in time for the sixth month anniversary of 9-11? THAT INS you say can't get its work done fast enough? If anything what the incident revealed my dear Armey, is the INS' right hand doesn't know what its left hand is doing. And well most Americans believe for a fact its not right the INS should be in the business of rewarding illegal aliens with green cards. Not even for a $1,000 processing fee. There are indeed families being victimized by the INS, Mr. Armey and they are ordinary law-abiding American families who are being victimized by the INS' inability to protect our borders from illegal aliens and terrorists who have taken up residence in our country. To quote your own words right back at you, "that is not right and we believe that is not the way it should be." Its time to put America's national sovereignty and America's national security first.

6 posted on 03/13/2002 3:37:20 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
If Robert Byrd kills this turkey through a filibuster... heck we'll give West Va. all the pork it needs. ;-)

LOL, you all are so funny. You all will praise the former klansman(Byrd) all the money he wants to put his name on every square inch of West Virginia, but let a Meixcan who busts his/her ass cleaning toilets or bussing tables try to get out of the underground, Off with his head.

You all expose yourselves more and more with your hyperbolic rantings.

7 posted on 03/13/2002 3:38:13 AM PST by Dane
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To: goldstategop
Uh goldy here is what was passed last night,

House Again Passes Border and Visa Security Legislation

WASHINGTON, March 12 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The House today by a 275-137 margin passed legislation providing critical visa and border security safeguards. These protections, already passed by the House without opposition on December 19, 2001, have been held up by Democratic opposition in the Senate.

"This legislation provides vital changes to our immigration laws to fight terrorism and prevent exploitation by some illegal aliens who wish to harm Americans. It builds upon enhanced data sharing requirements in the PATRIOT Act and includes key changes to our immigration laws such as requiring new biometric visas and strengthening the foreign student tracking system," stated House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-Wis.). "It's time for the Senate Leadership to act on this legislation. The visa and border security provisions passed almost three months ago and we've seen zero movement by the Senate."

Visa and border security highlights include:

-- Strengthening the foreign student tracking system by requiring that it track: 1) the acceptance of aliens by educational institutions; 2) the issuance of visas to the aliens; 3) the admission into the U.S. of the aliens and the notification of these educational institutions of the admittance of these aliens; and 4) the enrollment of the aliens at the institutions.

-- Requiring the State Department by October 26, 2003 to only issue to aliens visas and other travel documents that are tamper-resistant and machine-readable using standardized biometric identifiers. Aliens entering the U.S. under the visa waiver program will have to possess passports with the same features (if issued after this date). By the same date (October 26, 2003) the INS must install scanners to read the biometric documents at all ports of entry. The INS must implement an integrated entry and exit data system (for nationals of countries other than Canada) containing arrival and departure data from these documents.

-- Requiring U.S. embassies and consulates to utilize terrorist lookout committees in order to ensure that the names of known terrorists are routinely and consistently brought to the attention of consular officials.

-- Barring nationals of countries that are state sponsors of terrorism from receiving temporary visas unless it has been determined that the aliens do not pose a threat to the safety of Americans or the national security of the U.S.

-- Providing an electronic data system that allows current and immediate access for consular officers and INS officials to information in databases of U.S. law enforcement agencies and the intelligence community.

-- Authorizing an additional 200 INS inspectors and 200 INS investigative personnel for each of the fiscal years 2002 through 2006. Also increases the pay and training of INS personnel, including Border Patrol agents, and beefs up consular offices at U.S. embassies. $150 million is authorized for the INS for improving technology at the border.

Today's legislation also included a temporary extension of the 245(i) immigration program. H.R. 1885 will allow qualifying illegal aliens to utilize section 245(i) as long as they have green card petitions filed on their behalf by the earlier of November 30, 2002, or four months after the date the Attorney General issues implementing regulations. It also requires that aliens must have entered the family relationships qualifying them for permanent residence by August 14, 2001. Under H.R. 1885, section 245(i) is a temporary program that will not become a permanent part of U.S. immigration law. A similar extension of the 245(i) program passed the House on May 21, 2001 by a 336-43 margin

Looks like your newest bestest Klan buddy Byrd is holding up some needed legislation.

8 posted on 03/13/2002 3:42:58 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
but let a Meixcan who busts his/her ass cleaning toilets or bussing tables try to get out of the underground, Off with his head.

I'm not in favor of the pork, however, I am in favor of getting rid of those people who have made their way into the country illegally. If they want in so bad, if they want so badly to be a part of the American system, then they need to start by entering the country legally, not by sneaking in under a fence in the dark of night, not by crossing a river illegally, not by hiding in the back of a tractor trailer. If they're so desperate to be law-abiding citizens, then let them take the first step in obeying the law.

9 posted on 03/13/2002 3:43:44 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Dane
I'd be opposed to illegal immigration if they were Canadian busboys employed here. I'm opposed to illegal immigration on principle. This country has no obligation to house, feed, and provide for people who contribute to all the problems stemming from uncontrolled entry into the United States. I'm in favor of the fewer the better. We have to begin taking care of our own citizens and current permanent legal residents first.
10 posted on 03/13/2002 3:44:03 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Dane
I have no objection to the bill as long as section 245 (i) is gone period.
11 posted on 03/13/2002 3:45:28 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
This country has no obligation to house, feed, and provide for people who contribute to all the problems...

Tried to explain it to my former sister-in-law in simple terms by comparing it to someone who breaks into your house in the middle of the night. You are not obligated to feed him, clothe him, provide him medical care or to take care of his children. Basically, that's what we're doing with the illegal immigrants. We're providing them with more care and more government funding than a lot of rightful American citizens are getting.

13 posted on 03/13/2002 3:47:23 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: goldstategop
what the heck...don't tell me you'd seriously kill someone for trying to enter the country to be with his wife who is a US citizen?
15 posted on 03/13/2002 3:50:35 AM PST by arielb
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To: goldstategop
I'd be opposed to illegal immigration if they were Canadian busboys employed here. I'm opposed to illegal immigration on principle. This country has no obligation to house, feed, and provide for people who contribute to all the problems stemming from uncontrolled entry into the United States. I'm in favor of the fewer the better. We have to begin taking care of our own citizens and current permanent legal residents first.

And those people have no obligation to clean your toilets, pick your food, or work in searing heat putting roofs on your buildings, and then go out and buy food, clothes, and other consumer goods in stores in America, but they do it and they do it voluntarily in hope of finding a better life.

17 posted on 03/13/2002 3:51:23 AM PST by Dane
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To: Enemy Of The State
Good job congress! We are still a melting pot!
18 posted on 03/13/2002 3:51:47 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Tennessee_Bob
The basic problem is illegal immigration fuels depressed property values, higher taxes, and bigger government. There are plenty of reasons to oppose more of it but these are foremost in people's minds when asked why they reject an amnesty for illegal aliens.
19 posted on 03/13/2002 3:52:36 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Dane
You all expose yourselves more and more with your hyperbolic rantings.

Outstanding point. Imagine if we had these America haters in power 250 years ago. They would have closd the borders to George Washington!

20 posted on 03/13/2002 3:53:31 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: afz400
Actually quite a few of them don't exactly bust their asses anymore

Oh please, there will always be bad apples in every bunch, but that won't stop you from trying to smear all with a broad brush.

21 posted on 03/13/2002 3:54:29 AM PST by Dane
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To: arielb
If the marriage was fraudulently arranged for the purpose of evading our laws he should be able to enter this country only at his own risk.
23 posted on 03/13/2002 3:54:54 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
The basic problem is illegal immigration fuels depressed property values

What an assine statement. Increased demand for housing causes prices to rise.

24 posted on 03/13/2002 3:55:12 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: goldstategop
I have no objection to the bill as long as section 245 (i) is gone period

And your newest bestest buddy Byrd is holding it all up.

25 posted on 03/13/2002 3:56:28 AM PST by Dane
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To: VA Advogado
Actually George Washington would have closed the borders to King George III. Come to think of it we actually did that and it was the time when the condition of our beloved Republic was at its happiest in the national memory.
26 posted on 03/13/2002 3:56:50 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Dane
And those people have no obligation to clean your toilets, pick your food, or work in searing heat putting roofs on your buildings, and then go out and buy food, clothes, and other consumer goods in stores in America, but they do it and they do it voluntarily in hope of finding a better life.

Good point - but you forgot something....they have no obligation, but they also have no right to do so, as they are in the country illegally. If they're so interested in finding that better life, why don't they take the steps to join in legally?

27 posted on 03/13/2002 3:56:51 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Dane
:) The enemy of my friend is my friend. I hope for once it turns out to be true.
28 posted on 03/13/2002 3:57:57 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Yep. Just like my parents and millions of other Americans did.
29 posted on 03/13/2002 3:58:45 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Tennessee_Bob
they did but the INS is holding it up
30 posted on 03/13/2002 3:59:00 AM PST by arielb
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To: Enemy Of The State
What message does this send to all who enter legally and go through the process legit?
31 posted on 03/13/2002 3:59:42 AM PST by 2Trievers
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To: arielb
they did but the INS is holding it up

So all those that snuck into the country have entered legally?? I don't think so.

32 posted on 03/13/2002 4:00:42 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: arielb
The INS has lousy customer service towards legal immigrants who've waited years to apply for the privilege of U.S citizenship, but they move like lightning when it came to bestowing two notorious terrorists with renewed visas. Simply amazing.
33 posted on 03/13/2002 4:01:27 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: 2Trievers
What message does this send to all who enter legally and go through the process legit?

It says that they went through a whole lot of trouble and red tape for nothing.

34 posted on 03/13/2002 4:01:38 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Tennessee_Bob
people who "snuck in" are filing with the government a $1000 fee for residency paperwork? Does that sound like someone trying to hide from the law?
35 posted on 03/13/2002 4:03:20 AM PST by arielb
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To: goldstategop
Aside from being hopelessly unrealistic, you are ignoring the more obvious political ramifications.

Just for starters, most of the illegals are probably casting ballots anyway (look at LAs lopsided returns in '00) so cutting them a break can only help in that regard. Secondly, and perhaps most importantly, this is the ONLY window of opportunity to clean out a large chunk of INS backlog, and given the 9/11 attack, the odds are greatly in favor of most real terrorists having fled the country.IN order for the INS to do its job (Screening incoming humans) properly, they can't be F*ng around with people who are already here and probably staying. They are still being evaluated, just at a lower threshold of scrutiny, since they have DEMONSTRABLE ties to this country (Family or Jobs).

None of the Hijackers fit into that profile/category.

It is hysterics that don't think the issue thru, and all it's attendant ramifications, that make it hard to get things back into working order. This White House did not create this problem, but they are going about fixing it in the most intelligent way, possible. Utopian Of course not. But if it's Utopian Visions you are looking for, the Democratic party would love to sell you any pipe dream you wish, as long as you'll drink the Kool Aid.

36 posted on 03/13/2002 4:04:11 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: arielb
people who "snuck in" are filing with the government a $1000 fee for residency paperwork?

Care to provide statistics on just how many illegals are in the country as opposed to how many have actually filed residency paperwork?

37 posted on 03/13/2002 4:05:04 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: goldstategop;Marine Inspector
INS APPREHENSION INFORMATION

Date Range: 01/01/2002 To 3/10/2002 EST
(last updated 03/11/2002)

The table below represents all the recorded INS apprehensions for the above time period. At the bottom of the table is a glossary to help you better understand what you are looking at. Once we are done looking at the table, I will present some facts about what these number represent. These facts may shock you. This table will be updated approximately every two weeks.

IDENT Totals District Totals Sector Totals
Encounters 263,493 43,330 (16.4%) 220,163 (83.6%)
LO Hits 4,114 1,779 (43.2%) 2,335 (56.8%)
RC Hits 103,675 11,274 (10.9%) 92,401 (89.1%)

DISTRICT or SECTOR ENCOUNTERS LO HITS RC HITS
Anchorage District 34 0 8
Asylum 1 0 0
Atlanta District 683 6 28
Baltimore District 59 4 5
Blaine Sector 280 8 88
Boston District 167 6 11
Buffalo District 1,031 18 94
Buffalo Sector 134 1 16
Chicago District 826 12 60
Cleveland District 171 1 45
Dallas District 498 8 84
Del Rio Sector 22,880 107 8,891
Denver District 1,872 79 720
Detroit District 101 0 6
Detroit Sector 241 5 83
El Centro Sector 24,727 327 11,962
El Paso District 2,552 56 711
El Paso Sector 20,262 169 8,209
Grand Forks Sector 153 1 50
Harlingen District 3,007 62 699
Havre Sector 244 5 82
Headquarters 92 0 4
Helena District 88 4 14
Honolulu District 237 4 27
Houlton District 46 0 3
Houston District 1,329 41 325
Kansas City District 760 23 227
Laredo Sector 22,734 121 7,454
Livermore Sector 598 30 223
Los Angeles District 1,288 48 167
Marfa Sector 2,222 25 743
McAllen Sector 19,443 162 8,655
Miami District 2,319 30 198
Miami Sector 619 9 101
New Orleans District 208 10 41
New Orleans Sector 905 5 370
New York District 1,136 8 38
Newark District 500 6 16
Omaha District 515 14 159
Philadelphia District 300 16 49
Phoenix District 4,273 221 1,614
Portland ME District 69 1 9
Portland OR District 320 42 119
Ramey Sector 126 3 14
San Antonio District 3,652 86 1,016
San Diego District 11,893 623 3,866
San Diego Sector 21,752 668 9,299
San Francisco District 1,808 262 510
San Juan District 232 0 4
Seattle District 876 69 270
Spokane Sector 215 10 80
St. Paul District 351 17 124
Swanton Sector 117 1 18
Tucson Sector 72,873 523 30,883
Washington District 175 2 10
Yuma Sector 9,592 155 5,177
TOTALS 263,586 4,114 103,679

Table Glossary:

Encounters (also know as "Enrollments"): The total number of encounters (recorded apprehensions) into the system.

LO Hits: (Lookout Hits) The number of apprehensions involving people who have criminal records in the Lookout Database.

RC Hits: (Recidivist Hits) The number of apprehensions involving people who previously had been apprehended and having at least one record in the recidivist database.

District: The INS District is composed of the land Ports of Entry (Inspections), Airports (Inspections), and the District office (Detention, Deportation & Investigations) within that District.

Sector: The Border Patrol Sector is composed of the Border Patrol Stations and Check Points within that Sector.

Lets do some math.

From 01/01/2002 through 03/10/2002 the INS reported apprehending 263,586 illegal aliens in the US.
Now some of these apprehensions are what we call recidivist apprehensions, so well will subtract the RC HITS from the ENCOUNTERS.

263,586 - 103,679 = 159,907.

So, between 01/01/2002 and 03/10/2002 the INS apprehended approximately 159,907 illegal aliens either attempting to enter the US, or already in the US.

Now the fun numbers.

The Border Patrol estimates that for every illegal they apprehend, 4 slip by. Independent Immigration experts estimate that closer to 9 slip by, for every 1 alien apprehended. For this presentation, I will also use a 1 to 2 ratio.

So, if the INS apprehended 159,907 illegal aliens, the number of aliens that made it through undetected would be as follows:

1 to 2 = 319,814
1 to 4 = 639,628
1 to 9 = 1,439,163

This means, that anywhere from 319,814 to 1,439,163 illegal aliens entered the United States undetected since January 1st, 2002. .

Now for some more disturbing figures.

US and Allied troops that invaded Normandy in 1944 = 250,000 + US troops that invaded Okinawa in 1945 = 550,000+ Illegal aliens that have invaded the US in 2002 = between 319,814 and 1,439,163.

Now imagine that just 1/10 of 1% of those illegals are from Middle Eastern Countries.

We now have between 319 and 1,439 possible terrorist undetected inside

I took this from Marine Inspector's Profile page.

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/profile?h=marine+inspector

Sleep well.

38 posted on 03/13/2002 4:05:06 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Uh huh ... then it follows, why should they bother ... wait a while, lay low and another amnesty will come along. So much for the laws of our land.
39 posted on 03/13/2002 4:05:37 AM PST by 2Trievers
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To: arielb
In this situation the law uniquely awards felons with a special procedure for obtaining "regularization" of their status. I wonder how the lot of the illegal immigration apologists like you and Dane would feel if the government gave criminals in our prisons a "get out of jail" card simply by filling out an application and paying a preset fee.
40 posted on 03/13/2002 4:05:54 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Tennessee_Bob
this law only applies to people who filed for residency. Nobody is talking about letting anyone come here for nothing.
42 posted on 03/13/2002 4:07:11 AM PST by arielb
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To: Enemy Of The State

Bush is pushing Congress to pass a Section 245(i) extension before he goes to Mexico on March 22. Section 245(i) is rolling amnesty. Mexico is demanding amnesty as part of its goal of occupation and conquest of parts of America.

 

WHAT IS Section 245(i)?
Section 245(i) would restore a provision allowing illegal aliens to pay the INS $1000 and remain in the country, subject to only a cursory U.S. police record check, before receiving green cards. If Section 245(i) is not revived, these illegal aliens will instead be required to return to their country of origin where their application for an immigration visa would be subject to a far more vigorous home country background investigation. The legal procedure for entering the U.S. involves a background check performed in the country of origin to ensure that the immigrant or visitor does not pose a security threat. These laws were put in place for the precise reason of protecting our homeland and preventing a national tragedy like September 11th.


FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 53

(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)


      H RES 365     2/3 YEA-AND-NAY     12-MAR-2002   6:58 PM
      QUESTION:          On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Agree
      BILL TITLE: Providing for the concurrence by the House with amendments in the amendment of the Senate to H.R. 1885.

 

  YEAS NAYS PRES NV
REPUBLICAN 92 123   6
DEMOCRATIC 182 13   16
INDEPENDENT 1 1    
TOTALS 275 137   22


 

--- YEAS    275 ---
 
Abercrombie Hall (OH) Olver
Ackerman Harman Osborne
Allen Hart Ose
Andrews Hastings (FL) Otter
Armey Hastings (WA) Owens
Baca Hill Oxley
Baird Hinchey Pallone
Baldacci Hobson Pascrell
Baldwin Hoeffel Pastor
Becerra Holden Paul
Berkley Holt Payne
Berman Honda Pelosi
Berry Hooley Petri
Biggert Houghton Phelps
Bishop Hoyer Pomeroy
Blumenauer Hyde Portman
Boehlert Inslee Price (NC)
Boehner Israel Pryce (OH)
Bonilla Issa Quinn
Bonior Jackson (IL) Radanovich
Bono Jefferson Rahall
Borski John Rangel
Boswell Johnson (CT) Regula
Boucher Johnson (IL) Reyes
Brady (PA) Johnson, E. B. Reynolds
Brown (FL) Jones (OH) Rivers
Brown (OH) Kanjorski Rodriguez
Buyer Kelly Roemer
Calvert Kennedy (MN) Rogers (KY)
Cannon Kennedy (RI) Ros-Lehtinen
Capps Kildee Ross
Capuano Kilpatrick Rothman
Cardin Kind (WI) Roybal-Allard
Carson (OK) King (NY) Rush
Castle Kirk Ryan (WI)
Chabot Kleczka Sabo
Clay Knollenberg Sanchez
Clayton Kolbe Sanders
Clyburn Kucinich Sandlin
Condit LaFalce Sawyer
Conyers Lampson Schakowsky
Costello Langevin Schiff
Cox Lantos Scott
Coyne Larsen (WA) Sensenbrenner
Cramer Larson (CT) Serrano
Crowley Latham Shaw
Cummings LaTourette Shays
Cunningham Leach Sherman
Davis (CA) Lee Simmons
Davis (FL) Levin Simpson
Davis, Tom Lewis (CA) Skeen
DeFazio Lewis (GA) Skelton
DeGette Lofgren Slaughter
Delahunt Lucas (KY) Smith (NJ)
DeLauro Luther Smith (TX)
DeLay Lynch Smith (WA)
Deutsch Maloney (CT) Snyder
Diaz-Balart Maloney (NY) Solis
Dicks Markey Souder
Dingell Mascara Spratt
Doggett Matheson Stark
Dooley Matsui Stenholm
Doyle McCarthy (MO) Strickland
Dreier McCarthy (NY) Sununu
Dunn McCollum Tanner
Edwards McDermott Tauscher
Ehlers McGovern Tauzin
Ehrlich McHugh Terry
Engel McIntyre Thomas
English McKeon Thompson (CA)
Etheridge McKinney Thornberry
Evans McNulty Tiahrt
Farr Meehan Tiberi
Fattah Meek (FL) Tierney
Filner Meeks (NY) Towns
Fletcher Menendez Turner
Foley Millender-McDonald Udall (CO)
Ford Miller, George Udall (NM)
Fossella Mink Velazquez
Frank Mollohan Walsh
Frost Moore Waters
Gephardt Moran (VA) Watkins (OK)
Gibbons Morella Watson (CA)
Gilchrest Murtha Watt (NC)
Gillmor Nadler Watts (OK)
Gilman Napolitano Waxman
Gonzalez Nethercutt Weller
Goss Ney Wilson (NM)
Green (TX) Northup Woolsey
Green (WI) Nussle Wu
Grucci Oberstar Wynn
Gutierrez Obey  
--- NAYS    137 ---
 
Aderholt Goodlatte Pitts
Akin Gordon Platts
Bachus Graham Pombo
Baker Granger Putnam
Ballenger Graves Ramstad
Barcia Greenwood Rehberg
Barr Gutknecht Riley
Bartlett Hall (TX) Rogers (MI)
Bass Hansen Rohrabacher
Bereuter Hayes Roukema
Bilirakis Hayworth Royce
Blunt Hefley Ryun (KS)
Boozman Herger Saxton
Boyd Hilliard Schaffer
Brady (TX) Hoekstra Schrock
Brown (SC) Horn Sessions
Bryant Hostettler Shadegg
Burr Hulshof Sherwood
Callahan Hunter Shimkus
Camp Isakson Shows
Cantor Istook Shuster
Capito Jenkins Smith (MI)
Chambliss Jones (NC) Stearns
Clement Kaptur Stump
Coble Keller Stupak
Collins Kerns Sullivan
Combest Kingston Tancredo
Cooksey LaHood Taylor (MS)
Crane Lewis (KY) Taylor (NC)
Crenshaw Linder Thune
Cubin LoBiondo Thurman
Culberson Lucas (OK) Toomey
Davis, Jo Ann Manzullo Upton
Deal McCrery Visclosky
DeMint McInnis Vitter
Duncan Mica Walden
Emerson Miller, Dan Wamp
Everett Miller, Gary Weldon (FL)
Ferguson Miller, Jeff Weldon (PA)
Flake Moran (KS) Whitfield
Forbes Myrick Wicker
Frelinghuysen Norwood Wilson (SC)
Gallegly Pence Wolf
Ganske Peterson (MN) Young (AK)
Gekas Peterson (PA) Young (FL)
Goode Pickering  
--- NOT VOTING    22 ---
 
Barrett Eshoo Ortiz
Barton Hilleary Sweeney
Bentsen Hinojosa Thompson (MS)
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43 posted on 03/13/2002 4:07:53 AM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: arielb
Sure.... as long as you pay $1,000 for the privilege. How wonderful!
45 posted on 03/13/2002 4:09:25 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
depends what kind of criminal. If the govt decided to ban guns and you were caught owning a gun, I'd support amnesty for you too :)
46 posted on 03/13/2002 4:09:54 AM PST by arielb
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To: 2Trievers
What message does this send to all who enter legally and go through the process legit?

If they are here, already, then they should applaud this bill as well. The Object of lowering the threshold of scrutiny on this particular brand of illegals is to Clear out the INS backlog created by the previous administration.

Simply put, in deference to your gender, Which would you rather have the INS doing, (Choose one only)
A.Expanding to chase down those that are already here, and closely screen those coming in.
B. Staying the same size, and screwing around with people that may be illegal but have demonstrable ties to the community (Families/Jobs) and not being as effective screening those coming in.
C. Clearing the previous administrations backlog,and concentrating on those coming in; going forward.

47 posted on 03/13/2002 4:10:46 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: majordivit
especially immigration of third world hordes who hate western civilization

Oh really? Probably 90% of the immigrants come from countries that are predominatly Catholic and Christian. Are you going to tell me that the Catholic church hates Western civilization?

48 posted on 03/13/2002 4:11:19 AM PST by Dane
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