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Immigration Amnesty Passes House
Fox News ^ | 03/13/02

Posted on 03/13/2002 3:24:46 AM PST by Enemy Of The State

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:32:49 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt said he would support the bill with the border security provisions.

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Comment #321 Removed by Moderator

To: oldvike
He's also lost my vote for re-election. I am registered as a "declined to state" in CA. I voted for Simon and I hope he's not another phony conservative as the repubs are.
322 posted on 03/13/2002 5:41:48 PM PST by poet
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To: East Bay Patriot
Don't reply to dane's foolishness. He's baiting everyone. I ignore people like him or her.
323 posted on 03/13/2002 5:48:22 PM PST by poet
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To: dougherty, Dane
Great! I'm making arroz con pollo. I've got enough for three--want some?
324 posted on 03/13/2002 6:20:18 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: East Bay Patriot
Lets RoLL!!!
325 posted on 03/13/2002 6:27:24 PM PST by brightx
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To: RodgerD
Exactly. Buy guns, Buy guns, Buy guns.
326 posted on 03/13/2002 6:33:29 PM PST by cutlass
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To: cutlass
BLOAT as well.
327 posted on 03/13/2002 6:49:25 PM PST by TLI
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To: Joe Hadenuf
These folks are applying the classic "Delphi" technique in order to promote dissent within the conservative community.

Conservative community? LOL! I am actually laughing out loud! You are very fuuny!

Ignore the gov'mit stooge's comments...remember...their can be no g-d but Bush...

328 posted on 03/13/2002 7:00:20 PM PST by alphadog
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To: alphadog
Actually, in light of whats happened, I get a kick out of some of these pro-illegal alien post. And on such a conservative forum. LOL!
329 posted on 03/13/2002 7:03:34 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: arielb
>> You saw how the Cubans in Miami destroyed Gore's attempts to recount away the election. <<

Miami was one of Gore's BIGGEST wins in Florida. That was one the four counties where Alpha male demanded infinite "recounts" trying to pick up more 'RAT votes. Look at the "RED" Gore areas. He also got heavy support in the southwestern border counties of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California...


330 posted on 03/13/2002 7:14:07 PM PST by BillyBoy
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To: BillyBoy
Bump.
Gore won the Hispanic vote big time. Bush lost it everywhere but Florida. Even in Texas, his home state for cryin-out-loud, he lost it, getting about 43%. This business of accomodating massive Hispanic immigration, besides being a public policy train wreck, is just plain Jim Jones Kool-Aid for the GOP.
331 posted on 03/13/2002 7:26:54 PM PST by RodgerD
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To: Enemy Of The State
I haven't read all the postings here, but they seem to be running in concert with the same subject on a different thread. FReepers need to get the facts about issues before they post.

We are all so eager to express our heated opinions about illegal aliens invading our country, that we jump to conclusions that aren't based on facts.

As I posted on the other thread, 245I is not a blanket amnesty for all illegal aliens!! 245I applies only to aliens who came here with paperwork, like student visas or work visas, and let them expire. 245I allows this lesser group of aliens to re-register (with certain stipulations), and to pay a $1,000 fine, then wait for an interview with the INS -- which may or may not grant them legal citizenship.

This does not apply to the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants who snuck across the border without paperwork!!

332 posted on 03/13/2002 9:28:09 PM PST by bjcintennessee
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Just got this e-mail from NumbersUSA. According to them, there's still time for us to stop 245i. We should call our Senators. They can pass the rest of the bill without the addendum of 245i. Here's part of the message:

When you call your Senators, urge them to introduce an amendment to H.R. 365 (passed by the House last night) that would strip the SEction 245i amnesty from the bill. That would leave all the good visa-tracking stuff that the House already passed in December.

If they can't strip out the amnesty, we urge that the bill be defeated, even though it has lots of good stuff in it. The Senate has all the good stuff in HR 3525 waiting to be considered. Defeat HR 365 with the amnesty and pass HR3525.

333 posted on 03/13/2002 9:33:14 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen
Seeing who numbers usa is scared the hell out of me.
334 posted on 03/13/2002 10:38:22 PM PST by justrepublican
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To: bam
I don't know if having the 245(i) component makes the package more palatable to the Senate,

Ummmmmm, Which party controls the Senate..? Nuff said?

And while your point that it may tie up some resources short term, I still think that getting them legal quickly, LONG TERM, makes it easier to implement the going forward provisions...

Look at it form a management perspective. it will be atleast 6 months before an adequate Computer system can be developed and even begin to be installed to handle the going forward stuff...INS has next to no (Thank god for that) thechnology, so they are basically starting from the ground up in that regard. It's not like they're going to Office max for Six laptops, and a stand alone Micro server. they have 6 months to a year to get the 245(i) stuff done.

335 posted on 03/14/2002 5:23:05 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: goldstategop
You are wrong that the INS is just now approving their Visa's. The terrorist and the school were notified last summer of the approval. Having said that; this letter ever being sent out after Sept. 11 is inexcuseable!
336 posted on 03/14/2002 5:43:20 AM PST by jgoode
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To: justrepublican
Seeing who numbers usa is scared the hell out of me.

Hope you signed up, there's no fee, and you can receive e-mail alerts and send free faxes to the White House and Congress. Comparing the votes against this "extension" and the last "extension" for illegals, more members of Congress are also getting scared. It passed by a landslide last time, and this time it barely passed.

337 posted on 03/14/2002 6:03:39 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen
Sorry I will not participate in any effort through the sierra club.
338 posted on 03/14/2002 6:15:33 AM PST by justrepublican
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To: ravingnutter
Are people who exceed the speed limit that pay their fines for breaking the law still criminals in your eyes?

Speeding is typically (but not always) a civil infraction.

Improper entry to the U.S. is covered by U.S. Code Title 8 Section 1325 as a criminal infraction. Specifically:

Section 1325. Improper entry by alien

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers ... shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

Furthermore, the $1000 civil penalty of 245(i) is expressly prohibited by the U.S. Code as a remedy to violation of Section 1325.

"Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed."

So you are talking out of your butt.

339 posted on 03/14/2002 6:38:25 AM PST by angkor
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To: justrepublican
I searched the NumbersUSA site, and the only mention of the Sierra Club was a statement by a David Brower in 1966 that he believed that overpopulation harmed the environment. Why would you think that NumbersUSA is connected to the Sierra Club? If they were, so what? Their message about illegal immigration is a sound one.
340 posted on 03/14/2002 6:44:45 AM PST by janetgreen
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