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Is It Possible, Could America Have Won the Vietnam War In '1968?
Article by: Gene Kuentzler '1999 ^ | 3/17/02 | Gene Kuentzler

Posted on 03/17/2002 2:25:49 PM PST by Mom_Grandmother

Is It Possible, Could America Have Won the Vietnam War In '1968?

By '1968, North Vietnamese morale was at it's lowest point ever. The plans for "Tet" '68 was their last desperate attempt to achieve a success, in an effort to boost the NVA morale. When it was over, General Giap (Senior General Vo Njuyen Giap) and NVA viewed the Tet '68 offensive as a "failure", they were on their knees and had prepared to negotiate a "surrender."

At the time, there were fewer than 10,000 U.S. casualties, the Vietnam War was about to end, as the NVA was prepared to accept their defeat. Then, they heard "Walter Cronkite" (former CBS News anchor and correspondent) on TV proclaiming the success of the Tet '68 offensive by the NVA. They were completely and totall amazed at hearing tha the US Embassy had been overrun. In reality, the NVA had not gained access to the Embassy--there were some VC who had been killed on the grassy lawn, but they hadn't gained access. Further reports indicated that riots and protesting on the streets of America.

According to General Giap, these distorted reports were insperational to the NVA. They changed their plans from a negotiated surrender and decided instead, they only needed to persevere for one more hour, day, week, month, eventually the protesters in America would help them to achieve a victory they knew they could not win on the battlefield.

Remember, this decision was made at a time when the U.S. casualties were fewer than 10,000, at the end of '1967, beginning of '1968. Today, there were 58,000 names on the Vietnam Wall Memorial that was built with the donations made by the American public.

Although General Giap did not mention each and every protester's name in his book, many of us will never forget the 58,000 names on the Wall. We will also never forget that names of those who helped in placing those additional 48,000 names there: Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, Walter Cronkite, and other's.

Gene Kuentzler, '66-67, S-3 Operations 19th Combat Engineer Battalion


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: protesters; reporting; traitors; vietnam
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To: Kevin Curry; Thorn11cav
Yeah, whatever.
81 posted on 03/17/2002 4:24:52 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Mom_Grandmother
I don't understand, if we won, why is the South still overrun and ruled by the North and Russia.

It was called an armistice.

All sides agreed to the end of military actions, with the South Vietnam government intact.

2 years later, the North overran the South (the U.S. did not provide any support to the South for this second war).

82 posted on 03/17/2002 4:25:12 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Mom_Grandmother
You know I have wondered about this for years - the answer is that we will never know the answer.

The really sad thing is that the whole thing could of been avoided if Truman had agreed to join up with Uncle Ho to throw the French out of Southeast Asia. In retrospect, I would of liked the Vietnamese as allies over the French for the last 40 years.

Southeast Asia war Games, Second Place '72-73, Special recognititon ribbon for never being in Cambodia. sarcasm off.

83 posted on 03/17/2002 4:25:26 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Biblebelter
Armchair Warriors, and there was plenty of money to go around. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know this. I pray that our troops are never, ever put in the possition they were in Vietnam or the Philipines (spelled wrong I'm sure). War scares the he** out of me today with the weapons of mass destruction that seem to be plentifull all around. In my honest opinion, we cannot ever afford to back down, slow down, waver or faulter in the world we live in today.

I pray for President Bush everyday, I pray he will always "say what he means and mean what he say's". Bless him, he is not the most perfect person on earth (there are none), but he is the best we have fighting for us now.

84 posted on 03/17/2002 4:26:09 PM PST by Mom_Grandmother
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To: Bernard Marx
And don't forget that Commie s.o.b. Tom Hayden who still somehow plays an important role in CA politics.

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Forget? Every time I think of him and about a hundred more it sends me to the dentist for new fillings after gritting my teeth. Likewise when Clinton awarded communist folk singer Pete Seeger the freedom prize. Forget? Never.

85 posted on 03/17/2002 4:26:25 PM PST by RLK
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To: RLK
Give me a two paragraph history of Viet Nam.L

Phase one of the Vietnam war: 1945 to 1954---Ho Chi Minh using the Viet Minh (a conglomoration of communist and other nationalist forces) fought the discredited French (the only French to rule in Viet Nam during WWII were the pro-Vichy forces who later were thrown over by the Japanese in 1945). Most of the fighting started in 1946. Defeat for the French at Dien Bien Phu by the Viet Minh under the command of General Giap. Geneva accord in 1954 with a military (but not political) division at the 17th parallel.

Phase 2: 1957 to 1975---Viet Minh in south renamed Viet Cong as a PR tactic by the American advisors. Big gains in the Mekong Delta by the Viet Cong. Corrupt Diem regime detested by most South Vietnamese overthrown with CIA help (and much acclaim by South Vietnamese) in November 1963. Soon Ngen Cao Ky ruled followed by Thieu (whose corrupt cousin raked in incredible amounts of booty). Unwinnable War of attrition thanx to McNamara. Tet offensive in 1968 finally broke the will of the American people and began calls for withdrawal.

This is just a quick summary. Want more?

86 posted on 03/17/2002 4:27:38 PM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: RLK
I'v never read General Schwazkoph's review, what doe's it say, If I may ask? Thanks
87 posted on 03/17/2002 4:29:15 PM PST by Mom_Grandmother
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To: Biblebelter
I will tend to believe Oliver Stone before I would ever believe any of the ever growing league of plagiarizing historians.

Doris Kerns Goodwin served under LBJ.

As Dr. Doris Kerns, who became an associate professor of history of Harvard, she did have sex with that ballot-box stuffer and major benefactor of Brown & Root, Lyndon Baines Johnson.

The Texas Connection, Craig I. Zirbel, Warner, 1991, page 90, from It Didn't Start With Watergate, Victor Lasky, Dial, 1977, page 203.

I confirmed this by e-mail last year with Lasky's agent, the much-maligned confidant of Linda Tripp.

LBJ was doing America, and Doris was doing LBJ. Political bedfellows betraying everything but ambition.

88 posted on 03/17/2002 4:29:17 PM PST by PhilDragoo
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To: RLK
Diem was so loved that those Buddhist monks set themselves on fire. One problem was that you had the Catholic Diem family ruling in a nation of mostly non-Catholics. Think we would have been stupid enough to install a Christian ruler in Afghanistan? Of course not.
89 posted on 03/17/2002 4:30:44 PM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: Thorn11cav
WOW
90 posted on 03/17/2002 4:31:12 PM PST by Future Snake Eater
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To: PhilDragoo
The full account appears in the four-page article by Lieutenant General Charles G. Cooper, U.S. Marine Corp (Retired) in the May 1996 Proceedings of the U.S. Naval Institute "The Day It Became the Longest War".

Thank you for the infomation.

91 posted on 03/17/2002 4:31:55 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Kevin Curry
We should have fought like Patton--not McClellan.

The best poetry is brief.

92 posted on 03/17/2002 4:32:35 PM PST by PhilDragoo
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To: Mom_Grandmother
Tet may have been a military victory, but it was a public relations failure. You can draw a parallel to what happened to the French in Algeria. The French could crush the NLF in the cities, but people would never feel secure there again. It's like that in any guerilla war. You can clean out the guerillas but they will be back, particularly if, as in Vietnam, they have a whole country to use as a base.

This may have been the difference between Vietnam and other wars in former colonies. Where the British or French turned over authority to locals, most of those governments could crush communist rebels. In Vietnam, they already had half the country recognized as their own and undercut the security and legitimacy of any goverment we could get.

We could defeat them in the field, but could we stay in Vietnam for years and dercades to keep them from coming back? The good news is that the seventies were the high water mark and the beginning of the end for communism.

93 posted on 03/17/2002 4:32:39 PM PST by x
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To: MadRobotArtist
That's the big 64 thousand dollar question. If we have a media black-out the public goes crazy, it we allow them free access they could (maybe not intentionally) do great harm to the troops, so what are we to do? We don't want our troops put in harms way, we don't want our right to know infringed on, sort of a catch 22.
94 posted on 03/17/2002 4:33:36 PM PST by Mom_Grandmother
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To: Whilom
he war in Vietnam was lost when the cost in blood and treasure became too high for the majority of Americans to accept. There was no defeat of the Americans on the battlefield, and repeated victories there did not end the war on our terms. Nor c

WRONG

The war was lost when the democrats broke Nixon's balls over watergate

Nixon had them on their knees with the B52 raids and they came running back to the peace table signed an agreement and released our POWs

When they started to violate the terms of the peace cranking up the 52s and finishing the job would worked but by that time Nixon was so tied up with impeachment threads that he was essentially neutered.
Then the US Senate led by AS&*&le Kennedy cut off all the Souths aid
95 posted on 03/17/2002 4:33:38 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Kevin Curry
We should have fought like Patton--not McClellan.

Well stated.

96 posted on 03/17/2002 4:35:01 PM PST by Future Snake Eater
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To: PJ-Comix
Go back and relearn your history.

I notice you didn't address certain of my serious questions, out of necessity. Pack up and go home.

I'll end with one question, what were the boundaries of Viet Nam in 1920, versus 1960?

97 posted on 03/17/2002 4:35:26 PM PST by RLK
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To: PJ-Comix
I beg your pardon, I never mentioned nuclear weapons in Vietnam, I knew nothing about what weapons we had, except the A-bombs we used in Japan, and I didn't ever suggest that. Surely there may have been something in-between as far as weapons are concerned.
98 posted on 03/17/2002 4:37:37 PM PST by Mom_Grandmother
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To: x
In Vietnam, they already had half the country recognized as their own and undercut the security and legitimacy of any goverment we could get.

Also in Vietnam you had the Vichy French forces in Vietnam cooperating with the Japanese. Then when the French switched sides the Japanese tossed them over. That made a big impression on the Vietnamese. On top of that, it was the Viet Minh who took over Vietnamese institutions and cities when the Japanese surrendered in 1945. Then the French came back and asked for it all back. The French did this in part to restore their faded glory (which was lost in 1940). Oddly enough, even the French Communist party at that time demanded that the French return to Vietnam. Go figure.

99 posted on 03/17/2002 4:40:22 PM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: Tuco-bad
Thanks Tuco-bad.
100 posted on 03/17/2002 4:40:25 PM PST by Mom_Grandmother
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