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Sheriff says 'gun nut' concealing the truth
Tri-Valley Herald ^ | 17 March 2002 | Dwight King-Leatham

Posted on 03/18/2002 4:18:27 PM PST by 45Auto

Edited on 07/09/2004 12:50:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Jim March is a self-described "gun nut," frustrated because the Contra Costa County Sheriff's office won't give him a concealed-weapons permit.

The towering redhead from Pittsburg has taken his beef with the sheriff over the permit to federal court, saying county Sheriff Warren Rupf and a few police chiefs in 2000 violated his constitutional rights.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; ccw
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Contra Costa County currently has a total of 179 concealed- weapons permits outstanding

So, the numbers seem to vindicate March's assertion: of the 190 permits, 179 of them are held by Posse members.

1 posted on 03/18/2002 4:18:27 PM PST by 45Auto
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Yep. In California, the rich and connected get carry permits and "Joe 6-Pack" doesn't.

The same rich and connected with the carry permits don't want anyone else to have them.

2 posted on 03/18/2002 4:34:33 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield
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To: 45Auto
So, the numbers seem to vindicate March's assertion: of the 190 permits, 179 of them are held by Posse members.

You cited the statistic backwards, but your point is right on the money. The way the thing reads, it actually could be that all the permits are held by Posse members. Cetrainly looks disproportionate to me.

3 posted on 03/18/2002 4:35:07 PM PST by The Other Harry
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To: jimmarch
Ping!
4 posted on 03/18/2002 4:40:59 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: 45Auto
From Jim March's web page:
Early this year, purely as a sideline, local RKBA activist Nadja Adolf noticed that the national headquarters of a gun control organization called the "Million Mom March" was headquartered in a local hospital - San Francisco General. Not too strange, except that this is a county owned and operated facility. She pointed this out on a local mailing list, I gathered some info on the use of Public Records Act requests for a situation like this, and together we did some digging.

Within 60 days, the MMM laid off most of their staff and evacuated their HQ, with the SF Board of Supes asking hard questions about millions of dollars in defrauded rent. A bit later, the MMM merged with the also-downsized HCI.

Go there! <== these two single-handedly brought down the MMM.
5 posted on 03/18/2002 4:43:54 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: 45Auto
"He's one of those people who once he grabs onto a fact, he builds a fantasy around that," said Sheriff Warren Rupf. The longtime sheriff who is head of the auxiliary group, the Posse, said fewer than half the 380 Posse members hold concealed weapon permits.

Meanwhile, Contra Costa County currently has a total of 179 concealed- weapons permits outstanding, said Contra Costa County Sheriff's Lt. Dale Varady.

The above is all one really needs to read to get the gist of what is going on here. Is "fewer than half the 380 Posse members" equal to 179? An even better question would be, are there any non-posse members who hold gun permits? Anyone at all?

Quite clearly no one in the legal system wants to look at the facts. But then the law was written this way, so the only real solution is passage of a "shall issue" concealed permit law; this being California, though, the odds are not good.

6 posted on 03/18/2002 4:45:55 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: 45Auto
Thank God I live in Kern County. You can't be elected sherrif here if you are not liberal with issuing permits. You have to have a reason, but I don't think they look too closely at your reason for needing the CCW. Mine took 2 months and $156. (plus a training class).
7 posted on 03/18/2002 5:00:59 PM PST by umgud
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
This is the "discretion" that the anti freedom crowd want. Look at the anti gun groups and how they say to fight "shall issue" concealed carry bills. High on their list is the insistance that "law enforcement" be given "discretion" to issue to whom they want. In other words, cronyism corruption.
8 posted on 03/18/2002 5:04:56 PM PST by marktwain
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To: umgud
You sound like a slave who is thankful that the master didn't whip him that day.

A lot of states have shall issue laws regarding gun permits. In my state all you have to do is turn in the paper work and you are approved if you aren't a criminal. That is freedom. Hoping that some bureaucrat 9sheriff) is sympathetic with you is not freedom.

9 posted on 03/18/2002 5:30:39 PM PST by cactmh
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To: cactmh
It beats living in states with no CCW's or in other parts of CA where they are harf to impossible to get. BTW, your comments are elswise correct.
10 posted on 03/18/2002 5:36:33 PM PST by umgud
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To: 45Auto
Permits? We don't need no stinking permits!

As long as a hundred of us remain alive we will never be subject to tyrannical domination, because it is not for glory or for riches or honours that we fight, but for freedom alone which no worthy man loses except with his life. Taken from the “Declaration of Arbroath” 1320

11 posted on 03/18/2002 5:40:52 PM PST by thrcanbonly1
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"It beats living in states with no CCW's or in other parts of CA where"

True, though neither choice is acceptable...

12 posted on 03/18/2002 5:41:48 PM PST by cactmh
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To: 45Auto
Welcome to COSA NOSTRA COUNTY.
13 posted on 03/18/2002 5:45:27 PM PST by conserve-it
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To: 45Auto; Dan from Michigan; SUSSA; SLB; the irate magistrate
It reads like Jim March was exactly right. He needs to move out of that locale.
14 posted on 03/18/2002 5:51:52 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: cactmh
Nope. -- True 'freedom' would be no such permit. The 2nd says 'bear arms'. - Concealed carry means just that.
15 posted on 03/18/2002 5:59:38 PM PST by tpaine
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To: cactmh
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/648477/posts?q=1&&page=101
17 posted on 03/18/2002 6:17:05 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: 45Auto
The longtime sheriff who is head of the auxiliary group, the Posse, said fewer than half the 380 Posse members hold concealed weapon permits.

I gotta believe that the percentage of CCW holders for all of Contra Costa County doesn't approach almost 50%.

This is more reason to take the permitting power out of the hands of individual sheriffs.

18 posted on 03/18/2002 6:24:39 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: cactmh; texaggie79
Awww, -- such a poor, put upon little feller.

Nope, -- I don't harass aggie. --- He feels he has a mission to tell lies about libertarians. When I correct him, he feels abused and whines about it, a lot.

Eventually, he will grow up and stop his juvenile fibbing. Or maybe not. - It could be an obsession.

19 posted on 03/18/2002 7:28:32 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Can you not even have the dignity to admit that many in the LP are drug users and that is the main reason they choose to be Libertarian?
20 posted on 03/18/2002 7:38:16 PM PST by Texaggie79
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