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Contra Costa County currently has a total of 179 concealed- weapons permits outstanding

So, the numbers seem to vindicate March's assertion: of the 190 permits, 179 of them are held by Posse members.

1 posted on 03/18/2002 4:18:27 PM PST by 45Auto
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Yep. In California, the rich and connected get carry permits and "Joe 6-Pack" doesn't.

The same rich and connected with the carry permits don't want anyone else to have them.

2 posted on 03/18/2002 4:34:33 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield
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To: 45Auto
So, the numbers seem to vindicate March's assertion: of the 190 permits, 179 of them are held by Posse members.

You cited the statistic backwards, but your point is right on the money. The way the thing reads, it actually could be that all the permits are held by Posse members. Cetrainly looks disproportionate to me.

3 posted on 03/18/2002 4:35:07 PM PST by The Other Harry
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To: jimmarch
Ping!
4 posted on 03/18/2002 4:40:59 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: 45Auto
From Jim March's web page:
Early this year, purely as a sideline, local RKBA activist Nadja Adolf noticed that the national headquarters of a gun control organization called the "Million Mom March" was headquartered in a local hospital - San Francisco General. Not too strange, except that this is a county owned and operated facility. She pointed this out on a local mailing list, I gathered some info on the use of Public Records Act requests for a situation like this, and together we did some digging.

Within 60 days, the MMM laid off most of their staff and evacuated their HQ, with the SF Board of Supes asking hard questions about millions of dollars in defrauded rent. A bit later, the MMM merged with the also-downsized HCI.

Go there! <== these two single-handedly brought down the MMM.
5 posted on 03/18/2002 4:43:54 PM PST by xm177e2
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"He's one of those people who once he grabs onto a fact, he builds a fantasy around that," said Sheriff Warren Rupf. The longtime sheriff who is head of the auxiliary group, the Posse, said fewer than half the 380 Posse members hold concealed weapon permits.

Meanwhile, Contra Costa County currently has a total of 179 concealed- weapons permits outstanding, said Contra Costa County Sheriff's Lt. Dale Varady.

The above is all one really needs to read to get the gist of what is going on here. Is "fewer than half the 380 Posse members" equal to 179? An even better question would be, are there any non-posse members who hold gun permits? Anyone at all?

Quite clearly no one in the legal system wants to look at the facts. But then the law was written this way, so the only real solution is passage of a "shall issue" concealed permit law; this being California, though, the odds are not good.

6 posted on 03/18/2002 4:45:55 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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Thank God I live in Kern County. You can't be elected sherrif here if you are not liberal with issuing permits. You have to have a reason, but I don't think they look too closely at your reason for needing the CCW. Mine took 2 months and $156. (plus a training class).
7 posted on 03/18/2002 5:00:59 PM PST by umgud
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Permits? We don't need no stinking permits!

As long as a hundred of us remain alive we will never be subject to tyrannical domination, because it is not for glory or for riches or honours that we fight, but for freedom alone which no worthy man loses except with his life. Taken from the “Declaration of Arbroath” 1320

11 posted on 03/18/2002 5:40:52 PM PST by thrcanbonly1
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To: 45Auto
Welcome to COSA NOSTRA COUNTY.
13 posted on 03/18/2002 5:45:27 PM PST by conserve-it
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To: 45Auto; Dan from Michigan; SUSSA; SLB; the irate magistrate
It reads like Jim March was exactly right. He needs to move out of that locale.
14 posted on 03/18/2002 5:51:52 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: 45Auto
The longtime sheriff who is head of the auxiliary group, the Posse, said fewer than half the 380 Posse members hold concealed weapon permits.

I gotta believe that the percentage of CCW holders for all of Contra Costa County doesn't approach almost 50%.

This is more reason to take the permitting power out of the hands of individual sheriffs.

18 posted on 03/18/2002 6:24:39 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: 45Auto
This is another of the many, many reasons I abandoned CA years ago. The abuse of the CCW permit process is outrageous and absurd.

And there's lots of pressure to not issue permits. One of my best friends, who knows me very well, is a chief of police. He wouldn't even initiate the paperwork to get me a permit when I was unfortunate enough to still live in CA, explaining the unbearable political heat he gets for any CCW permit application.

So now I live in a "shall issue" state; got my CCW the first month I was here.

Screw California. It truly is the land of fruits and nuts. If I didn't have relatives there, I'd never see it again, and happily.

Now, let's see how long it takes Joe Hadenuf to hit this thread and tell us all, once again, how magnificent California is. Feh.

45 posted on 03/18/2002 10:09:41 PM PST by Hank Rearden
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To: 45Auto
This isn't really a problem. He should carry the gun concealed anyway.

Should (Lord forbid) the gun actually be needed, sanity dictates that whether he had a permit or not will be a moot point.

(though lately we're running short on sanity)

57 posted on 03/19/2002 5:53:04 AM PST by Darth Sidious
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To: 45Auto
"He's one of those people who once he grabs onto a fact, he builds a fantasy around that," said Sheriff Warren Rupf.

Translation: "That bastard uncovered my cozy little world of corruption and he's going to pay".

69 posted on 03/19/2002 7:40:21 AM PST by arm958
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To: 45Auto
So which is supposed to carry more weight,"unfettered discretion" or "shall not be infringed"?
100 posted on 03/19/2002 9:47:48 AM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: 45Auto
unloading some of his frustration

Curious choice of words

102 posted on 03/19/2002 9:49:20 AM PST by antaresequity
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To: 45Auto
The permits themselves are unconsitutional. They need to be challenged.
137 posted on 03/19/2002 11:48:21 AM PST by Demidog
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To: 45Auto
This is chicken sh*t. Look here for the real threat !
143 posted on 03/19/2002 11:08:06 PM PST by america-rules
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