Goodbye, Good Men--An Expose of the Homosexual Revolution in the Catholic Church

Aquinas Publishing Ltd. ^ | April 15, 2002 | Michael S. Rose

[Palladin]

Excerpts from Goodbye! Good Men

Excerpt from

CHAPTER 4
The Gay Subculture
How homosexual politics discriminates against healthy, heterosexual men

"The issue was never one of my suitability for ordination. Rather it was that the gay clique had been given veto power over who got ordained."

—JOSEPH KELLENYI
former seminarian, Mundelein Seminary, Chicago, Ill.

IF THE APPLICANT IS ACCEPTED into a seminary program he is liable to encounter homosexual issues many times throughout his seminary career, sometimes in more direct ways than others. "For decades we have been hearing stories about priestly training and religious houses that would have made Boccaccio blush." These stories effectively deter many Catholic parents from encouraging a priestly vocation among their sons. It has, to be sure, deterred many young men from testing their vocations in certain dioceses.

One popular book acknowledges what the author calls a "gay subculture" in many Catholic seminaries. Written by Father Donald B. Cozzens when he was rector of St. Mary’s Seminary in Cleveland, The Changing Face of the Priesthood warns of a growing public concern that the priesthood is becoming a "gay profession." He spends considerable time addressing the issue from his perspective inside the seminary.

Cozzens states that "straight men in a predominantly or significantly gay environment commonly experience chronic destabilization, a common symptom of which is self-doubt." Compounding the challenge of studying, praying and living alongside gay seminarians, he adds, "are seminary faculties which include a disproportionate number of homosexually-oriented persons." In other words, this "gay subculture," comprised of both students and faculty at certain seminaries, deters the heterosexual man from continuing to study and prepare for the priesthood.

This is to put it mildly. How can any healthy, heterosexual seminarian expect to be properly formed and prepared for the Catholic priesthood when constantly subjected to that which is so clearly contrary to Church teaching and discipline? How many heterosexual seminarians, whether orthodox or not, have decided to leave the seminary and abandon their vocations because of the "gay subculture" they were forced to endure, because they had been propositioned, harassed or even molested? We're not talking here about the presence of a few homosexually-oriented men who conduct themselves with perfect chastity. Rather, there exists an intense and often threatening atmosphere.

According to former seminarians and recently ordained priests, the "gay subculture" is so prominent at certain seminaries that these institutions have earned nicknames such as Notre Flame (for Notre Dame Seminary in New Orleans) and Theological Closet (for Theological College at the Catholic University of America in Washington D.C.). St. Mary’s Seminary in Baltimore has earned the nickname "The Pink Palace."

Father Andrew Walter, ordained for the Diocese of Bridgeport, Connecticut in 2000, spent several semesters at the Baltimore school as a seminarian for the Diocese of Patterson, New Jersey. The problem was so bad when he was there, he explained, that "some of the students and faculty used to get dressed up in leather to go to ‘the block,’ Baltimore’s equivalent to 42nd Street in Manhattan."

Seminarians, sometimes accompanied by faculty members, would do this regularly, Walter explained. "They would meet in the foyer, and then head for the gay bars." This issue is not new, and the claim is not uncommon. In March of 2000, Father. Andrew Greeley, a well known liberal priest sociologist from Chicago, testified that seminary professors "tell their students that they’re gay and take some of them to gay bars, and gay students sleep with each other."

Walter also remembers a lecture that the Vice Rector at St. Mary’s delivered in front of at least 150 people, wherein he stated that "yes, we accept openly gay seminarians; that’s our policy," an acknowledgement that only confirmed what was already commonly known at the seminary.

Walter said he tried to explain to his bishop, Frank Rodimer, what the atmosphere of the school was with such an open acceptance and sometimes encouragement of the gay subculture: "My constant theme to the bishop was that this is not just about homosexuality; this is about an agenda in a celibate seminary. It’s something directly in conflict with the teaching of the Church. These people are promoting this conflict"...

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GOODBYE! GOOD MEN
How Catholic Seminaries Turned Away Two Generations of Vocations From the Priesthood
by Michael S. Rose
( ISBN 0-9676371-1-2)

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[Palladin]

In that case, LETTUCE PRAY!

[Travis McGee]

ReBump

[Palladin]

see Post #63

[Don Myers]

If this keeps up, the Catholic Church will become known as The church of the Gay Blade. Too bad. They had a good thing going. They taught morality to the kids, even if they didn't follow it themselves. I respected them for that.

[ladyjane]

There is no better time to "push this junk" than Easter. Today is Good Friday, a most solemn day to reflect on the devastating corruption in the church. We all need to pray very hard for the church, the people in it, and the people who have left because of it.

[ladyjane]

I think you mean: KJV 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

I used to quote that to my x-wife very often. Perhaps thats why she is my x.

Wow you must have been fun to be married to! : )

[Clemenza]

Bump. The Lavendar Mafia must be exposed!

[Brian Kopp DPM]

post it on the new religious thread title it "The Mystery of Iniquity".

Just noticed this, sorry it took a while. Which thread?

[saradippity]

There is a new forum called "religion". I think it would be a good subject for people to reflect on and to discuss.

[Palladin]

A Holy Saturday bump. Remember to pray today that the Church will be rid of the scourge of homosexuality and the perversion of child sexual abuse by priests.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Will do...

[Calculus_of_Consent]

Wow you must have been fun to be married to! : )

As a matter of fact I was.

[DaveTesla]

Your are so right.
(1)Satan’s church began officially at the tower of Babel in Genesis 11:1-9, nearly twenty-four centuries B.C. Here, in
the fertile plain of Shinar, probably very close to the original Garden of Eden, the first spade of dirt was turned for the purpose of devil-worship.
(2)The first full-time minister of Satan was Nimrod, Noah’s wicked and apostate grandson (Gen. 10:8-10).
(3)Secular history and tradition tell us that Nimrod married a woman who was as evil and demonic as himself. Her
name was Semerimus. Knowing God’s promise of a future Savior (Gen. 3:15), Semerimus brazenly claimed that Tammuz,
her first son, fulfilled this prophecy.
Ham: The first Homosexual and the founder of Babylon (him and his grandson) who turned the first spade of dirt for
satanic worship in Babylon. It was these homosexual acts that the priests practiced in the temple to whorship Satan.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

bump again

[Palladin]

I'll see your bump and raise it one.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Is it possible that, in knowing that this book was coming out and that a crackdown on homosexuals was coming anyway, the media decided to pre-empt with an orchestrated blitz centered on their own PC lib spin??? Because...Crisis magazine had already run their own expose on the gaying of seminaries. Nothing much new here aside from the the specific numbers of costs reported from Boston. I know I heard Malachi Martin on a talk radio show, quite a few years ago, warning about a BIG homosexual pedophile scandal that was about to break. What sources was he using, one wonders?

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

This is from the book which is all about this (article above #1).

[Don Myers]

"Goodbye, Good Men--An Expose of the Homosexual Revolution in the Catholic Church Aquinas "

I think there are still many good people left in the Catholic Church. They just need to take out the trash.