Posted on 03/25/2002 7:27:32 PM PST by Palladin
At this time, our faculty had done away totally with the dress code, had us out on the streets protesting the war, and was very much into left wing 'liberation theology'. There was a literal power struggle betweent the generations of Jesuits, and the young priests won the battle at least during the 1970s, the older priests were forced to submit to the teaching of the new ideology by the younger priests.
I can only conclude that the same seminaries that were turning out left wing hippie priests had also been infected by the "gay liberation movement" since they were radicals in every other way.
IF we the parishoners don't stand up for our values and confront this issue, they win, and our Churches will die.
Well, I could name about thirty. For starters, there's patent, saradippity, and Suzi Q.Good Lord! Here you are again, slandering people without even having the most basic, lowest level of class to ping them so that they can respond. What kind of Christian acts in such a cowardly manner? For that matter, what kind of freeper, given the establishment at FR’s opinion on slamming people without being man enough to ping them:
No man, nor true Catholic, acts like you do.
To: dennisw
when discussing another freeper, have the courtesy of flagging him or her. thank you.
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Second, you and I have never discussed the seminaries, which is the focus of this article. We have discussed pedophilia, so there is no basis for yet another insult from you, but then you just hate.
Third, I do not deny that there is a problem in some of our seminaries. I have long known about the problems in Boston, for example, and do not deny they exist, and it is clear that the conduct that went on there for decades is related to the clergy-abuse crisis. Now if you want to imply that all of our seminaries are like that, then I disagree.
Oh, and by the way, I do plan to read the book.
patent +AMDG
Now the Missouri Synod and Wisconsin Synod want to ordain women.No, please say that isn’t true? Aren’t there just some people there agitating for it? It hasn’t gained real momentum yet has it? Obviously I'm not Lutheran, but I'd truly hate to see this.
patent +AMDG
The Wisconsin Synod said years ago in its official quarterly ("The Pope Speaks" aka Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly) that there was nothing in the Bible against women's ordination.
Women's ordination will speed up in the Wisconsin Synod when Wayne Mueller becomes the official president. He was snuck in as First VP. The First VP has the primary claim on being the next president. Mueller is a ardent Church Growth advocate, liberal etc. So both synods will ordain women in a matter of years.
WELS even changed the historic creeds for the feminists. They couldn't say "and became man" so they changed it to "fully human" whatever that is. And the whole synod accepted it, even the so-called conservatives. There is no fight left in the Lutheran Church.
A WELS DP molested little girls in his congregation and went to prison, but that was never told to the members.
patent
In all fairness, though, we Protestants have similar sexual problems, plus financial scandals too. *sigh* I've been tempted to join the Orthodox -- it would be nice to be part of a church that doesn't end up in the headlines for all the wrong reasons.
There is only one major institution with global reach which is standing up to the UN, hundreds of liberal NGOs, Maurice Strong, George Soros and others who seek to erode or end representative democracy: the Catholic Church.
Were the anti-war activist Berringers (sp) Jesuits?
I think your observations of what started in the late '60s in the Church is very pertinent to what is coming home to roost today.
Sex before 8 - or it's too late! Craige McMillan on how media covers for homosexual child abusers
"... "Ho, hum," says the U.S. media. "Don't bother us. We're busy. We have these water buckets we're carrying for NAMBLA." Those initials stand for the North American Man Boy Love Association. Their long-standing motto, "sex before eight – or it's too late," only recently revised, makes their intent pretty clear.
Homosexuals, as represented in the U.S. media, come in only two varieties: upstanding citizen and persecuted victim.
Do homosexual priests rape choirboys? Not in medialand. There, Catholic priests abuse children – a phrase that's so gender-inclusive, and manages to twist one's attention onto the Catholic church, not the homosexual men who have made inroads into the clergy so they can prey on the innocence of children.
Do homosexual pastors rape congregants? Not in medialand. There "ministers are found with naked teens" and charged with "unlawful sex acts with a minor." Such inclusive language … my, isn't the media open-minded and progressive? We'd never guess it was male pastors and little boys, would we?
The media is too busy raping the Christian church on its news pages, the Boy Scouts during its evening news broadcasts, and the military in its editorials and at its cocktail parties. No, Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa don't warrant the truth, because it just might slow down the bucket brigade, and imply that homosexuals could possibly be, like the rest of us, just a smidgen short of sainthood..."
It's not Easter, it's stil Lent. Lent is a time for confronting our sinfullness and mending our ways.
I have written to my bishop,the newspapers,and the Vatican. I have spent money and time with groups that sponsored speakers,brought in to address the problem.I have been told by members of my family,who are "progressives" to not bring the subject up again.
I have given talks about problems in our local diocese that included the homosexual priest problem and not been asked back because I was too harsh and I offended gentler souls.How you could posssibly include me as one who won't admit the problem is beyond me.
The only thing I can think of is my absolute resistance to relaxing the celibacy discipline to solve the problem.I am opposed to it because it is part of the agenda.
Loosely stated; if the homosexual element in the priesthood is exposed and Plan A can't be implemented they will go to Plan B.Well,Plan A was exposed before it was completely in place. So Plan B is now in effect.Plan B,begins with the action to take if exposure occurs and that is to make sure the offense is couched in terms that will alarm the general public. To assure that put the focus on pedophilia,also have lay folks in the homosexual network start coming out and claiming they were abused long ago and sue or get them to pay "hush money" and further deplete the funds of the faithful.(You see, the money that they have paid out in so many "confidential arrangements" was just a "transfer" of funds from the Church Christ established to the enemies of that Church.)
Once that is accomplished,go to step 1,step 1 is to promote married priests.Plan B,step 2 is to open the door to women,Plan B,step 3 is to let the homosexuals,most of whom will still be in place BTW,have a "significant other",and ad infinitum. So the Church will be extinguished more slowly but the objective will be acheived.
I know many good,naive,caring people believe that is a solution and I know many clever,sly deceivers who say the same thing. But they do not mean it. They can sound oh,so sincere as they pretend to care about saving Catholicism and Christendom and offer what they hope is a "death blow" with a velvet covered hammer. I will continue to argue against married priests,risking the animosity engendered by good people who are convinced the only answer is "married priests". If I can just get people to think hard and long about remedies that may be deadly,I will believe I have done what I am supposed to do.
I throw this on the thread,it is the truth and it will fall where it will.We must clean house and do without many priests for a while but in the end it will be worth it.The Holy Spirit will guide us all through these times,we must pray so hard.
I used to wonder about the passage that loosely says "When you see the abomination of desolation on the altars the end is near". Is that what this is? I believe prayer and holiness stays God's hand,since it is not accomplished yet,we must pray and fight and seek to do God's will on earth as it is done in heaven.By the way,if the Pope would say that is what must be done you would now hear from me on that subject again.I am an obedient Catholic.
Whatever the demon accomplishes for evil, God permits so that a greater good may be drawn therefrom.
Dear friend in Christ, when I enter a Catholic Church and see that the Tabernacle has been moved to a broom closet -- that is the abomination of desolation for me.
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