Goodbye, Good Men--An Expose of the Homosexual Revolution in the Catholic Church

Aquinas Publishing Ltd. ^ | April 15, 2002 | Michael S. Rose

[Calculus_of_Consent]

You would be surprised at how many Catholic FReepers do not want to face the ugly truth about their seminaries.

Name one.

Cultural Jihad

[Travis McGee]

Lowering the hammer on gays in seminaries is the only way to fix this problem. I agree, there is a good article linked at #10 on exactly that subject.

Nobody has to give money to the Catholic Church, and fewer Catholics will if they see all their money going to victims of priestly pederasty. I'm not sure it's primarily a problem of pederasty (molestation of prepubescent boys), I think the problem is more of priestly chickenhawking of young teenage boys, and the silent complicity of the other actively homosexual priests in doing nothing to stop it.

Remember: homosexuals don't reproduce, they recruit! And that goes for homosexual priests as well.

[Palladin]

Well, I could name about thirty. For starters, there's patent, saradippity, and Suzi Q.

[Palladin]

Here's a good review from diocesereport.com:

Diocese Report
Submitted by: Brian R. Barcaro
March 10th, 2002

Catholic Seminaries Exposed In New Book

In recent weeks the news has been filled with reports of sexual scandals and cover-ups by priests and Bishops across the United States. Much of the focus has been on the Archdiocese of Boston but reports have sprung up everywhere. Just when things did not seem like it could get worse, revelations are being reported in a new book by Michael S. Rose, which is sure to send shockwaves through Chancery offices across the country.

The Diocese Report has obtained advance copy of this book entitled Goodbye, Good Men. Rose who reportedly has spent over two years researching the book uncovers amazing activities in many Catholic seminaries. He reports on what appears to be a wide-spread but unconnected conspiracy to prevent young men who are heterosexual and or adhere to traditional Church teachings on issues like homosexuality, ordination of women, sacraments and devotional practices from entering or completing the seminary. In addition some of the men who are labeled as problems due to their heterosexuality or "rigidness" in Church doctrine are often placed with the most liberal priests in the diocese after their ordination.

Some of the more shocking items contained in Rose's book are accounts such as, a professed lesbian witch studying at a seminary, seminarians being required to read sex manuals that advocated oral sex, anal sex, bestiality, homosexuality, and same-sex marriage. When a seminarian refused to read the texts he was expelled from the seminary. Other accounts reveal the sanctioned showing of "porno flicks," seminary vans being used to drive faculty and seminarians to cruise nearby gay bars, seminarians wearing lingerie and calling each other by girl's names and seminarians who supported the official Church teaching on homosexuality were sent to psychological counseling. In addition Rose presents evidence that the leadership in some seminaries often discharged men who were unabashed in their heterosexuality, while at the same time simply denying that a actual sacramental priesthood exists.

The following is an except of the book in which Paul Sinsigalli, who attended St. John's College Seminary in Boston for four years was accused of being a homophobe, the formation faculty did not "endorse" him to continue studying in St. John's graduate theology program. While he was dismissed for being homophobic, openly gay seminarians advanced toward ordination.

"The ironic thing is that before I went into seminary, I heard things about homosexuals in the news, but I never really gave it any thought. I know I'm not a homosexual. I never had any doubts about my sexuality, and I feel bad for those who do struggle with sexual issues. I was just never involved in any of the homosexual agenda-never gave it any thought one way or another. And when I got to the seminary, all of the sudden it was in my face, and I was expected to say, 'it's OK if you commit sodomy in your room in the seminary and explore your sexuality that way.'" What kind of priests are these men going to make? Sinsigalli wondered, pointing out the overwhelming public scandal of priest pedophilia in Boston, where the Boston Globe revealed that the Archdiocese of Boston settled child-molestation claims against at least 70 Boston-area priests.

"The priesthood of Jesus Christ demands men of high integrity and character and strength. It is not an easy vocation, so if these guys are like this in seminary I can't imagine what they are going to be like in parishes."

Rose has courted some Catholic heavyweights to support the book. The distinguished Alice von Hildebrand wrote the Foreward, while authors Donna Steichen and E. Michael Jones, Ph.D both lend positive comments. One priest closely connected with a controversy mentioned in the book when notified of some of its contents told the DioceseReport, "This is incredible, if this information is accurate then there is little reason for Rome not to finally act and act swiftly with force, especially in light of what we have seen in Boston and other places."

Rose has already established a website which claims the book will be released in a little over a month on April 15th by Aquinas Publishing, Ltd. The website is located at www.GoodbyeGoodMen.com

[Palladin]

Ironically, it is Conservative Catholics--quite a few "heavyweights"- who are endorsing and promoting this book. The Left has nothing to do with it. The book is being praised to the high heavens by solidly orthodox Catholic leaders and theologians. They are the Catholic elite whom we watch as guests on EWTN. They are modern-day reformers, like St. Francis of Assisi and St. Teresa of Avila.

[RLK]

How can a majority homosexual priesthood purge itself?

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That's the problem. Prohibitions can't be enforced. The motivation of joining a gay protective priesthood takes precedance over religious conviction and threat of excommunication even becomes useless. Even a 20 or 30 % entrenched gay political-social system in the church will be impossible to eradicate.

[SuziQ]

The Catholic Church in America needs to confront directly its virtual takeover by active practicing homosexuals or it is finished.

Good Lord, Have mercy!! Don't get so upset! There is NO homosexual 'takeover' of the Church. There are some homosexual priests; they have come from these seminaries about which many Catholics already know. But the number of priest coming from these places has tapered off greatly over the years. The seminaries which are growing are the ones which have remained faithful to God and the Church's teachings. I have no doubt that what we're going through right now is God's way of shaking the nasty bits out and cleansing us for the future!

[uncbob]

I hope all those who have been saying that it is only a small % of the priests read this

[uncbob]

BTW I should have added
I attended an all boys Catholic HS (50-54) And had a Priests for all my teachers except for one ( history teacher was the football coach ) We had over 20 senior sections and over 1000 in the graduating class.

Teenage kids talk and there was ABSOLUTELY NO rumors of any hanky panky going on. I could not think of any of the priests that would seem homosexual. We had a couple of weirdos and several boozers but that was about it

Things sure as hell went down the drain in 50 years

[Chemnitz]

Allow me to inject a Lutheran perspective to this discussion. Although Lutheran pastors are allowed to marry and expected to marry, the liberal seminaries were taken over in the 1980's by the homosexual/lesbian activists. The gay activists were welcome and mentored by the faculty. When it seemed shocking at first that candidates might be lesbian or homosexual (women's ordination began in 1970 but really caught on much later), the graduating seniors were instructed in how to avoid direct questions. "I understand your question and share your concern about the seriousness of the issue."

Seminaries known for being liberal in the past turned into rainbow coalitions. A class about Luther became "How much of a male chauvinist pig was Luther?" Any non-PC statement was countered with fem-rage or homosexual hysteria.

I was long gone from the ELCA bunch but I can imagine the impact of these seminaries upon normal, heterosexual males. It was said over a decade ago that women graudating from ELCA seminaries were either divorced before they arrived or divorced by the time of their ordination.

Fellow freepers, you would think that the conservative Lutheran synods (Missouri Synod, Wisconsin Synod, ELS) would be nauseated by the pro-homosexual and pro-abortion ELCA pastors. But no, they love working together with ELCA on many different evangelism projects - especially evangelism!

I am glad the issue is coming out in the open, but remember, it is a pan-denominational issue, not just a Roman Catholic issue.

Here is the Lutheran homosexual/lesbian activist website:

Lutherans Concerned

[Palladin]

Thank you for sharing what is happening in the ELCA. Catholics who would advocate female priests should take a good look at what kind of women are attracted to a previously all-male profession.

[Calculus_of_Consent]

Catholics who would advocate female priests should take a good look at what kind of women are attracted to a previously all-male profession.

They should also read, 1st Timothy. I forget the chapter and verse. I don't have a Bible in front of me but it is a short book.

[Slyfox]

At Holy Trinity Seminary in Irving, Texas back in the early '70s, Monsignor Gerald Hughes (God rest his soul) had no tolerance for homosexual activity and would kick out, en masse, gay cliques, even though he was, IMO, a celibate homosexual himself.

HOW DARE YOU SAY SUCH A THING ABOUT MSGR. HUGHES! IF IT IS YOUR OPINION AND YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, THEN YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS STATING SUCH A LIE. THIS IS EXACLTY WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BEGIN TO HAPPEN. GOOD AND HOLY PRIESTS ARE BEING SLIMED, AND YOU THREW IT FIRST.

[Palladin]

Ah, yes, First Timothy. Paul says it very well, loud and clear:

Chapter 3

[1] A faithful saying: if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

[2] It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, prudent, of good behaviour, chaste, given to hospitality, a teacher,

[3] Not given to wine, no striker, but modest, not quarrelsome, not covetous, but

[4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all chastity.

[5] But if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?

[6] Not a neophyte: lest being puffed up with pride, he fall into the judgment of the devil.

[7] Moreover he must have a good testimony of them who are without: lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

[8] Deacons in like manner chaste, not double tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre:

[9] Holding the mystery of faith in a pure conscience.

[10] And let these also first be proved: and so let them minister, having no crime.

[11] The women in like manner chaste, not slanderers, but sober, faithful in all things.

[12] Let deacons be the husbands of one wife: who rule well their children, and their own houses.

[13] For they that have ministered well, shall purchase to themselves a good degree, and much confidence in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

[14] These things I write to thee, hoping that I shall come to thee shortly.

[15] But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

[16] And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory.

[Calculus_of_Consent]

Thanks that part is great, but I think it is Chapter 6 that I'm thinking of. It says something about women should sit in silence.

[Palladin]

Oh, I thought you meant the part about the behavior of bishops, deacons and priests, since that is what this thread pertains to.

Women sitting in silence? I am not even going there! I do not want to draw down feminine wrath upon my head!!

[Calculus_of_Consent]

I do not want to draw down feminine wrath upon my head!!

Chicken

Oh, I thought you meant the part about the behavior of bishops, deacons and priests, since that is what this thread pertains to.

You're right of course chapter 3 does pertain mort to the thread, but I was refering to a particular comment about Priestesses in the Catholic Church.

[Chemnitz]

I think you mean: KJV 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

The irony is this - that the ordination of women not only fueled the pro-abortion faction in the ELCA but also flattened the opposition to homosexual/lesbian ordination.

Now the Missouri Synod and Wisconsin Synod want to ordain women.