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It Can't Be True, Government Schools Ban ... Musical Chairs?
Toogood Reports ^ | April 2, 2002 | Debbie Daniel

Posted on 04/02/2002 6:01:49 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen

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To: Dialup Llama
I don't know where you are living, however it is really sad to me that if you live in the good USA, you don't appreciate it. I respect the fact that you have a different idea of America. I wish I could share mine with you. It is a much happier, peacful and fulfilling than what I hear from you of your ideas. I would love to know what you idea of a "good and perfect" society is. Can you name one? Or do just Nay say?

We are blesed to live in the USA, even with her faults.

51 posted on 04/02/2002 9:33:01 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross
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To: Howlin
Well not getting to worked up over the 10 little indians being changed.... I mean honestly could never see the bulk of people saying 10 little whities or 10 little crackers... so that's no skin of my teeth.. perhaps overly sensitive, but so be it...

Of course we don't say "Einie meenie miney moe, catch a nigger by his toe" anymore either, and I don't think that's a bad thing either.

But some of the other stuff is just plain nutz.

52 posted on 04/02/2002 9:34:26 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
I guess we just never looked at it as derrogatory. That was before the government was around to tell us stuff like that. Perhaps we should have taken all references to Indians and other ethnic groups out of books in case we might offend someone somehow.

Oh, wait.......then they'd be whining about that.

53 posted on 04/02/2002 9:36:58 AM PST by Howlin
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To: headsonpikes
I am truly sorry to learn your performance review went so poorly.

Do you think it was because of your social origins, or your lack of motivation?

Do you not know how hard it is to get llama hooves to work a keyboard?

54 posted on 04/02/2002 9:38:25 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: Dialup Llama
I especially dont like Tiger Woods precisely because he is the counter example: he is feted as the virtuous one, the role model, the one who shows that hard work is rewarded.

You don't like Tiger Woods because he proves that hard work pays off? Seems to me your problem is not with Tiger Woods, but with your own preconcieved mindset.

Yes labor away in your cubicle farms, you Borg drones, and look upon Tiger Woods and know that somewhere, for one person at least, effort is rewarded.

You are very correct to state that by working for others you are not likely to become wealthy or overly rewarded, certainly some will, but the most will not become wealthy through these means. Of course working for others contains very little risk as well... you do not get the big reward by taking little risk. Some people are happy and content to have a good home and a steady paycheck, others are not. Do not belittle those who are. Tiger Woods certainly is not an example of the cubicle worker, the effort and dedication he put forth to get where he is is far beyond 9-5. You want the big reward, take the risk or sit down, no ones gonna hand you the brass ring you have to earn it.

I don't like free enterprise you claim? Our enterprise is becoming less and less free. We live in mixed economy to be strictly accurate and the admixture of unfreedom is becoming greater all the time.

Are there bad regulations? Certainly. But if you think NO REGULATIONS is the way to go you are are incredibly naive.

55 posted on 04/02/2002 9:41:25 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Dialup Llama
When my son was in first grade, the SAFE instructor (sort of the interfering school psychologist) used to come in the classroom and play a game called Lilly Pads. It was the same as musical chairs and when the music stopped, all of the kids who were on lilly pads were supposed to offer to share their lilly pad with a kid who didn't have one. It was one of the many reasons I pulled him out midway in the year.
56 posted on 04/02/2002 9:43:25 AM PST by FrdmLvr
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To: Howlin
Howlin,

I honestly could care less, as far as I am concerned we are all one race, HUMAN. Its the only race I check when I get a form that asks me.. I check the other box and write human. As for offended by some label invented hundreds of years ago that was wrong (after all this isn't india) so be it... don't call em Native American's either...

Proud member of the fightin whities....

57 posted on 04/02/2002 9:44:38 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
>You don't like Tiger Woods because he proves that hard work pays off?

Ugggh! I was speaking sarcastically.

>You want the big reward, take the risk or sit down, no ones gonna hand you the brass ring you have to earn it.

I'm glad you said brass ring. In a merry go round, the brass ring is made to look like you can reach out and get it. But in reality, it is rigged so that it is very hard to get it. Cubicle workers are told, "Work hard and you will be rewarded." In truth, they are held to predetermined 3% raises. Naturally, the one or two uber geeks are well fed, but management is forced to reward such people or lose the entire business. The boss points to uber programmer so and so and says, "Work like him and you'll get a greater reward." Hence the brass ring. In truth the boss intends only that you'll only get the 3% increase, but they want that motivation to remain so that YOU produce like crazy.

58 posted on 04/02/2002 9:52:08 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: Dialup Llama
Yes, the llama hooves must be a problem; and then there is the propensity to spit when agitated. ;^)
59 posted on 04/02/2002 10:18:53 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Dialup Llama
I'm glad you said brass ring. In a merry go round, the brass ring is made to look like you can reach out and get it. But in reality, it is rigged so that it is very hard to get it.

Actually as someone who has rode a merry go round in Santa Cruz, California many a time (they actually still do have brass rings (well stainles steel these days)) The brass ring is not out of reach or unattainable. In fact I not only grabbed one every time around the circle, but threw it successfully through the clowns mouth on occassion as well.

Cubicle workers are told, "Work hard and you will be rewarded." In truth, they are held to predetermined 3% raises. Naturally, the one or two uber geeks are well fed, but management is forced to reward such people or lose the entire business.

I see so the uber geeks, who are better at their craft or skill getting paid more because as you say they are worth it, for not to pay them would cause the entire business to be lost, are keeping the moderate or lesser skilled oppressed? Seems like rewarding the most deserving based on skill and ability to me.

The boss points to uber programmer so and so and says, "Work like him and you'll get a greater reward." Hence the brass ring. In truth the boss intends only that you'll only get the 3% increase, but they want that motivation to remain so that YOU produce like crazy.

hahaha.. yes it does sound like you got a bad review, and are now spiteful to everyone else. I have never gotten less than a 8% annual raise in my life, every time a boss or manager or potential employer said I was not worth it I have gone out and found not only the salary I wanted elswhere, but more and a better opportunities to boot from someone else. I don't know about your experiences but mine are not "perform like abc and you'll get more" More often it is you need to work on x and/or y... not work like him. In fact any manager worth their salt who simply tells an employee work more like another employee is a piss poor manager.

In the tech field especially sticking with the same company year in and year out doing the same job year end and year out is not the way to move ahead. Technologies advance to rapidly and if you sit idle you will be left behind... not like other industries in the least.

My experience has been, without question hard work pays off, but on the flip side of the coin if you feel you are being wronged you move on as well. If you feel 3% is too little, find another job, don't blame the system, the system pays what it can get away with. Yet even with all the growth and success I have had in my career thusfar I still know my success lies on my own shoulders not from others. I invest in real estate and run my own company as well, to better my financial position and bolster my personal freedom, and if at the end of the day I become very wealthy, it will not be from the work I do day to day for others, but the work I do on my own endeavors that will take me there.

Do employers hold out carrots? Sure they do, bonuses are one in the tech field that never materialize, and why I will never take a job with a significant part of the salary as bonus... roll it into my base or forget about it.. have seen every company I have worked for screw over tech people on bonus program... every single one. Even if they deliver everything for the bonus, money never shows up... I don't trust my employers, I know they are out for themselves, and I am just a resource to them.. .but I do make myself a valueable resource and make damned sure I am never placed in a no win.

60 posted on 04/02/2002 10:25:27 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Stand Watch Listen
I can only imagine that someone who has never experienced any rejection, exclusion, or competition could probably "go ballistic" at his first job interview when told someone else got the position.

That person would probably just pop another Ritalin or some other new psychiatric "wonder pill" that will surely become available in the future.

61 posted on 04/02/2002 10:54:41 AM PST by southern bale
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