Catholic Interest Groups See in Scandal a Chance to Further Their Causes

FOXNEWS.com ^ | Tuesday, April 09, 2002 | Catherine Donaldson-Evans

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

NEW YORK

[ex-snook]

The liberal enemies within the Church have used homosexual priests in asymetric warfare similar to our own planes being used to destroy the World Trade Center. Since Vatican II was co-opted by 'reformers', the infrastructure of the Church has been in freefall.

Time for a reform-reform General Patton type Pope to raise the morale of the troops and start by slapping around the multitudes of dissenters. The rotten apples are ruining the barrel. Time to open the windows again and let the stink out.

[NYer]

Perhaps you are referring to the Tridentine or, as it is better know, the Traditional Roman Rite? The Tridentine Mass" has been called "The Most Venerable Rite of Mass in all of Christianity" as well as "The Most Beautiful Thing This Side of Heaven".

Mater Ecclesiae Roman Catholic Church

[tiki]

Just last night at a parish committee meeting a guy I'd never seen before said that we were going to have to change the way the Church does things. We needed to let them know who's in charge. I just looked at him for a few seconds and I'm sure my face said it all, he didn't say another word.

There are times when I'm sure even God doesn't get too mad when you're a little witchy, if you know what I mean. We pretty much ignored him the rest of the meeting.

[electron1]

But where contraception and divorce/remmariage is doctrinally accepted. I think ill stay with the chair of peter.

[american colleen]

ping for later reading.

Thank you for posting this article TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!

[afraidfortherepublic]

If everyone is posting pictures....

[Stavka2]

First, there is only ONE Redemer, Christ, who is part of the Holy Trinity...Mary was the vassel of the Christ's birth, and while a holy woman and a saint, she does NOT hold the key to redemption any more then any other saint. They can interecede, but that is all, they do not redeme. We are not the Wiccans worshipping a male and female set of gods.

As for offering another angle/ avenue, I am not force converting, and besides I am not pillaging faithful (which is impossible to do to those who are faithful) with lots of money and flash...the way many of these "missionaries" do it in the East.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Certainly, the notion that homosexual and pedophile priests
are some sort of martyrs in the quest for sexual liberation
and the overturning of priestly celibacy, as has been bandied
around in some liberal quarters and in the media, is deranged
and part of some other ideological agenda.

[Campion]

Just last night at a parish committee meeting a guy I'd never seen before said that we were going to have to change the way the Church does things. We needed to let them know who's in charge. I just looked at him for a few seconds and I'm sure my face said it all, he didn't say another word.

But, tiki, he's right. The Church needs to change the way she does things. She has to stop rejecting orthodox seminary candidates because they have the temerity to believe in Catholic teaching, she needs to root out the homosexuals and their fellow-travelers, she, in the persons of certain bishops, needs to do penance.

And we need to let "them" know who's in charge. God's in charge, as always.

[Campion]

First, there is only ONE Redemer, Christ, who is part of the Holy Trinity

Yes, we know that. Since you haven't studied the work of the theologians who are working toward the definition of "Co-redemptrix" as a Marian title, you probably aren't familiar with what they're claiming. It does not in any way deny that Christ is the only Redeemer. See this website for details.

...Mary was the vassel of the Christ's birth, and while a holy woman and a saint, she does NOT hold the key to redemption any more then any other saint.

That's absurd on its face, because the Incarnation is the cause of our Redemption, and there would have been no Incarnation without the Most Holy Theotokos answering "Let it be done unto me according to your word".

Mary is the New Eve. That makes her significance to the Redemption far more than that of any other saint. St. Irenaeus said that 1900 years ago, not me.

And your direct attempts to proselytize Catholics on this thread are far more blatant than anything you complain about Catholics doing in Russia.

[redhead]

"ARCC wants dramatic changes in the leadership structure of the Catholic Church. Instead of having a small group of officials appoint clergy, for example, the group wants laypeople to elect church leaders.

"We’ve got to get a new way to run the show first," Hartman said. "The laity has a lot of useful skills that would be helpful for the management of the church."

Why does this little excerpt make me verrrrry suspicious???

[Bigg Red]

Thank you. I have researched this, but, unfortunately, there are no Traditional Catholic parishes close to me. Or, believe me, I would go. (I live in Maryland.)

[redhead]

"Agreed. And we don't renew the Church by leaving her. This situation is no less than a battle for the Church. Let's fight and PRAY.

[B Knotts]

I pray that you're right. It seems to me that if this horrible time in the Church is an opportunity for anything, it is to clean up the borderline heresies that go on in some areas, and to purge the priesthood of practicing homosexuals (at minimum).

[ArrogantBustard]

Where in Maryland do you live? If you are close to Washington, I believe there is at least one parish in the city which celebrates the Traditional Mass. You might also try crossing the Potomac; the Diocese of Arlington is rather different from Washington... then, of course, there's fighting to clean up the mess in Washington. As goofy as things can sometimes be, there, be glad you aren't in the Dreadful Diocese of Richmond. The DDR is barely Catholic. I lived in Maryland for 10 years. :)

AB

[saradippity]

Was this meeting set up to discuss the ''scandal"?If so what was the tenor of the remarks and suggestions? And the specifics if you all got to that point.Thanks.

[saradippity]

There really is something strange about this eye contact or look. I have noticed it but can't quite figure out whether they see something in us or we see it in them.I just "feel" something strange transpires. The only related information that comes to mind comes from that book written by Aldrich,the FBI agent in the White House during Clinton's reign. He said that Hillary forbid people to look into her eyes and that people were told to avert their eyes,at her request. Its a mystery to me but I think there is something there.

[Rule of Law]

Married Catholic priests. Female priests. Openly gay lay leaders. Touchy issues like these, long considered inviolate in Roman Catholic Church circles, are suddenly facing the fiercest assault ever from change-minded groups who see the current molestation scandals as a window for harder lobbying efforts.

That's what it's really all about.

Molester priests are a problem. But there are going to be bad apples in every sizable group of people. As a percentage, there are probably fewer molester priests than there are molester teachers or doctors. And a whole lot less than there are molester members of Congress.