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It's time to snap out of Arab fantasy land {Steyn}
National Post ^ | April 19 2002 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 04/19/2002 7:01:18 AM PDT by iav2

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To: Dog Gone
Exterminating them is not an option. Neither is shipping them to another country. Nobody wants them

The Palestinians are a Frankenstein's monster created by the Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, Jordanians, Saudis, etc. as a weapon of destruction against Israel. The only fair solution is to turn them back on to the people who created them in the first place. Distribute them amongst the 22 Arab Muslim countries that expelled 850,000 Jews.

21 posted on 04/19/2002 10:23:40 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: Pokey78
bttt
22 posted on 04/19/2002 10:25:32 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Dog Gone
Another advantage of Palestinian statehood is that they would then be a better target for missiles, instead of being spread out here and there. Give 'em one place to live, wait for them to make a wrong move, and blow them to Allah.
23 posted on 04/19/2002 10:27:15 AM PDT by Huck
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To: iav2
A really good analysis.

I cannot believe that Israel offered these clowns 95% of everything they'd ever asked for and the clowns refused it. I mean, if I were living in that Jenin shithole right about now, that 95 percent would have to be starting to sound pretty good...

24 posted on 04/19/2002 10:37:45 AM PDT by medved
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To: anapikoros; iav2
Mark Steyn bump!
25 posted on 04/19/2002 10:43:27 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Phil V
ping!
26 posted on 04/19/2002 10:46:34 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: iav2
Excellent read, it deserves a bookmark.
27 posted on 04/19/2002 10:49:41 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: iav2
Israel should take what it needs of the West Bank for a buffer, round up every terrorist it can, and announce that the Jordanians are welcome to what's left.

Forget the buffer, take the whole West Bank and deport the muslims.

I am soooo happy to see more and more articles like this!

28 posted on 04/19/2002 11:06:18 AM PDT by kapn kuek
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To: iav2; Pokey78
bump!
29 posted on 04/19/2002 11:12:26 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: iav2
But the rights every other sovereign state takes for granted are denied to Israel. "The Jews are a peculiar people: things permitted to other nations are forbidden to the Jews," wrote America's great longshoreman philosopher Eric Hoffer after the 1967 war. "Other nations drive out thousands, even millions of people and there is no refugee problem ... But everyone insists that Israel must take back every single Arab ... Other nations when victorious on the battlefield dictate peace terms. But when Israel is victorious it must sue for peace. Everyone expects the Jews to be the only real Christians in this world." Thus, the massive population displacements in Europe at the end of the Second World War are forever, but those in Palestine a mere three years later must be corrected and reversed. On the Continent, losing wars comes with a territorial price: The Germans aren't going to be back in Danzig any time soon.[and believe me, there still are many Germans who are pissed by this!] But, in the Middle East, no matter how often the Arabs attack Israel and lose, their claims to their lost territory manage to be both inviolable but endlessly transferable.
30 posted on 04/19/2002 11:24:35 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: anapikoros; Pokey78
Arafat is a criminal who sold out his people for Iraqi and Iranian money, as he has done before. Plenty of "Pro-Palestinians" say this, but they are ignored since it grates against the heroic Palestinian narrative. For example:

“Why don’t we admit that he can neither lead, nor plan, nor take a single step that makes any difference except to him and his Oslo cronies who have benefitted materially from their people’s misery” Professor Edward Said, New Left Review.

And here's a weird one sent to me. Pokey's fave ;), Robert Fisk gave an interview - in America - expressing his distaste for Arafat:

Beyond Disappointment -The Middle East, according to Robert Fisk . For example:

...Question - So does Arafat now, for his own cynical reasons, encourage or support the suicide bombings inside Israel as the Israelis insist he does?

Answer - Arafat is a very immoral person, or maybe very amoral. A very cynical man. I remember when the Tal-al-Zaatar refugee camp in Beirut had to surrender to Christian forces in the very brutal Lebanese civil war. They were given permission to surrender with a cease-fire. But at the last moment, Arafat told his men to open fire on the Christian forces who were coming to accept the surrender. I think Arafat wanted more Palestinian "martyrs" in order to publicize the Palestinian position in the war. That was in 1976. Believe me that Arafat is not a changed man.

I think that if he ever actually sees a wounded child, he feels compassion like any other human being. But he's also a very cynical politician. And he knows that Sharon was elected to offer security to the Israelis. And Arafat knows that every suicide bombing, every killing, every death of a young Israeli, especially inside Israel, is proof that Sharon's promises are discredited.

On the one hand, he can condemn violence. He can be full of contrition. And in the basic human sense, he probably means it. But he also knows very well that every suicide bombing hits at the Sharon policy, and realizes how that helps him.

The article is worth reading. It has other trenchant statements about Sharon and Arafat. It has fewer of his fantasy as fact items, though he pushes the Jenin massacre bit. And he only mildly pushes the Europeans as more knowledgable line.

IMO it is clear that he knows his audience in America is less-sheeplike and more discerning about the Middle East than the sheep and apparatchiks in Europe whose bleats about superiority are self-delusions. It's funny, like the "what do they say in English, and what in Arabic" question, he plays a game like "what you say in Europe, and what you say in America".

31 posted on 04/19/2002 11:39:29 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: kapn kuek
Forget the buffer, take the whole West Bank and deport the muslims.

If that would solve the problem, I'd be all for it.

In reality, all that would do is move the battle line a few miles east of where it is today, and create even more numbers of radical Palestinians than there are right now.

The only path to peace is a political settlement, one which Palestinian leaders endorse and embrace. There are unappeaseable Palestinians who will never give up their goal to eliminate Israel entirely. Those folks either have to be neutered or killed.

But displacing millions more Palestinians does not accomplish a thing.

32 posted on 04/19/2002 11:40:21 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
There are unappeaseable Palestinians who will never give up their goal to eliminate Israel entirely. Those folks either have to be neutered or killed.

But displacing millions more Palestinians does not accomplish a thing.

What if the "unappeasable Palestinians" themselves number in the "millions"? Do we have any idea how many Palestinians are willing to live peacefully in a two-state framework? It would be nice if the problem were the corrupt Arafat and his cronies plus a few thousand fanatical jihadists, but I'm not sure that's true.

33 posted on 04/19/2002 11:50:20 AM PDT by untenured
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To: Dog Gone
You are foolish. A political statement is absolutely not necessary. Do you think the mass of Palestenians care where they live? They're just tired of being in refugee camps because their brothers won't allow them to live there. Thus these iterant people will continue to exist as long as the regimes in the Arabic peninsula find it convienient. The real solution is to take out a few of those regimes -- Israel has the firepower and the drive to do so -- and force them to grow up. Nothing less than that will convince those Arabic dictators to change their mind. A political solution WILL NEVER achieve this.
34 posted on 04/19/2002 12:01:48 PM PDT by =Intervention=
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To: iav2
Great stuff from Steyn.
35 posted on 04/19/2002 12:04:50 PM PDT by dead
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To: untenured
That's an excellent question, and it's one I'd like to see discussed. I'm sure the Israelis have some idea, too, but I've never seen any polling data or anything that would shed light on the question.

Most Palestinians are not terrorists, even if they support them. Most are civilians who work to put food on the table. If their leaders told them that peace had been achieved, and the struggle was over, I'm sure most would be relieved.

Civilian populations can be swayed in their opinions by their leaders. The Germans weren't Nazis before Hitler, and after the war was over, they weren't Nazis, either. You can think of countless examples where a population quickly reversed its opinion on something like this.

Of course, this discussion is entirely moot until there is a Palestinian leader who will do something other than preach Jihad against Israel.

We need to see a coup in the Palestinian ranks that takes out Arafat. Israel and the US has to have plausible deniability in assisting it. It has to be clearly a Palestinian coup. I hope we're thinking along those lines.

36 posted on 04/19/2002 12:08:22 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: =Intervention=
We're even, then. I think your "solution" is foolish.
37 posted on 04/19/2002 12:09:49 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Shermy
...Pokey's fave ;), Robert Fisk...


38 posted on 04/19/2002 12:16:04 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
LOL Nth degree!
39 posted on 04/19/2002 12:28:42 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: iav2
Bump!
40 posted on 04/19/2002 12:47:04 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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