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Thanks to protesters, children saw horrifying images
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | April 27, 2002 | CAROL BENDER- letter to editor

Posted on 04/27/2002 7:00:00 PM PDT by syriacus

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:34:38 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: PuNcH
How does a child know without someone going into great detail to explain it to them?

Child abusers often make the same arguement: "It is not the abuse that traumatizes the child. It is the reactions of the adults who care for the child that traumatizes the child."

I do not buy it.

281 posted on 04/28/2002 6:51:09 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: syriacus
It's time we stop whitewashing the effects of the 29 years since Roe vs Wade

This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine, let it shine, let it shine, let it shine.

282 posted on 04/28/2002 6:59:04 PM PDT by Gore_ War_ Vet
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To: Trust but Verify
BTW, where would you suggest they be sold?

Probably on the street. Outlaw the legitimate sale of condoms. Let the local drug pushers add them to their sales card.

283 posted on 04/28/2002 7:01:31 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: HiTech RedNeck
And nobody has made the abortion protesters stop showing these pictures on the street yet

The showing of the pictures on the street is protected by the first ammendment. This means that people who lack common sense are free to display them. Your first ammendment rights do not extend into the private world of FreeRepublic. This means that Admin Moderators with common sense can control what appears on the pages of FreeRepublic.

284 posted on 04/28/2002 7:10:18 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Jeff Gordon
For years they used to be sold "under the counter." No prescription, but no display, and one had to ask the pharmacist. It was also widely understood that the only thing approaching a "legitimate" use was married couples who wanted to postpone conception. Now it's "go get 'em tomcat! (But, oh be sure to be safe! Please forget that no condom can cover your heart!)"
285 posted on 04/28/2002 7:13:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Jeff Gordon, erizona
If Free Republic wanted to ban the posting of pictures of 3-toed sloths, they could do that. But it is, IMHO, stupid.
286 posted on 04/28/2002 7:15:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: dheretic
"Because a fetus is still a potential life. Until it can survive outside the womb without extensive life support it is potential and nothing more.."

Babies can now survive as early as 21-22 weeks old outside the womb. Your caveat - "without extensive life support" is ludicrous and its implications are immense. To wit, if the definition of "human" means only those who can survive without extensive life support, then we should be able to pull the plug on any 100,000's of elderly patients sitting in nursing homes and hospitals throughout the country. After all, they are incapable of surviving on their own - they are "former" humans, since at the moment they are totally dependent on external technology and humans. Why should we waste all the time and money on them? Shouldn't we direct our resources to only "healthy" and "productive" members of society?

You fail to see the implications in your espoused worldview - and you fail to see where it leads: genocide and euthanasia.

287 posted on 04/28/2002 7:23:00 PM PDT by fogarty
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To: PuNcH
The only way such a young child could be traumatized by that picture is if someone explained the meaning of it to them in such a way as to amplify the ugliness as much as possible.

Which is pretty much what erizona advocated above. There are quite a few posters on this thread insisting it is no big deal at all to explain to a 3 year old that mommies sometimes kill their babies.

288 posted on 04/28/2002 8:53:08 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: FreedomFriend
However, even a little child understands that life is precious. They don't understand, nor know about rape. You're right, they may not know about abortion. However, a talk about abortion would be understood, and would go over much more smoothly than a talk about rape.

Just like rape, no young child would ever imagine that abortion even existed if not for some adult teaching it to him/her. Would it be understood? What words would you say EXACTLY? How would you, as a mother (I assume) explain to your 3 year old child that some mommies are so bad that they kill their babies and NOT harm their innocence and trust with that explanation?

Understanding that murder is wrong is basic to human understanding. ON the other hand, the idea of rape is not basic, but has to later be learned. That is, from early childhood, one knows that murder happens. On the other hand, rape is often not known about until nine to eleven years old.

I agree that most young children would say murder is wrong IF they had any idea what you actually meant and 3 year olds don't have a clue. From early childhood children DO NOT know that murder happens, unless of course, some insensitive adult has thrust it into their lives.

As a teacher, I know what goes on in the classroom. I know what kind of humanistic garbage that's being taught. I tell my students the truth, and set them straight if I see any conflicting statements within the textbooks. You underestimate their reasoning capability.

Oh, are you a PRESCHOOL teacher? With that mention of textbooks, I would assume not. I am also a teacher, of preschool, and am well educated in child development. There is NO possible way to truly explain abortion to a 3 year old child in a way that he/she will understand which will not be confusing and upsetting.

My own son was 8 when I explained it to him. As the parent, I knew what he could understand. And it is MY right to explain such things.

289 posted on 04/28/2002 9:08:11 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: sweetliberty
For example, when she was 2 years old and we attended a showing of the movie "Jesus" I did not try to shield her from the brutality of the crucifixion.

I know you love your child. But please concider the effect of showing something so disturbing to a child who cannot communicate well.

When most of us encounter something frightening or confusing, the first thing we do is find someone to talk it over with. And children especially need extra processing and help dealing with strong emotions.

290 posted on 04/28/2002 9:24:06 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: erizona
They don't want small children learning about the evils these same adults partake in yet they have no problems killing small children.

If you don't want the world to see that you're a freaking nut case, close your curtains.

291 posted on 04/28/2002 9:27:10 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: TopQuark
might I remind you that hangings were once done in public?
292 posted on 04/28/2002 9:29:57 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000
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To: Dianna
She actually communicated quite well and we did talk about it. She was probably closer to 3 and was very verbal and inquisitive. If I had it to do over I would do the same thing. The world doesn't tiptoe around the innocence of children anymore so we may have to prepare them to cope with things that they really shouldn't have to at such an early age. but that's the way it is and it is what we have to work with and unless or until we change it, it will just continue to get worse.
293 posted on 04/28/2002 9:33:09 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: TopQuark
selling pornography, urinating in the street, swearing, etc, (all of which in the context you used, were unacceptable behavior, IE: against the law) the pictures I speak of show a TOTALLY LAWFUL AND LEGAL ACT.
294 posted on 04/28/2002 9:41:13 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000
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To: TaxPayer2000
I am not sure our discussion leads anywhere: you expand the scope of examples and place the burden on me to show their irrelevance. As I said earlier, I think you can do that yourself:

might I remind you that hangings were once done in public?

So, do I need to tell you that this was not done by surprise? That these events were preannounced, so that the parent could make his own decision whether allow the child should see that. Should I point out that this is different from the parent driving by and seeing pictures of death on the sidewalk, which necessitates unexpectedly the need to deal with the issue right then and there.

I am sorry, I mean no offense, but if you yourself are so morally confuse that you do not see the difference between these circumstances, there is nothing helpful I can say further.

Have a good night, and thank you for writing. , and the parent

295 posted on 04/28/2002 9:48:44 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
The last line should have read:

Have a good night, and thank you for writing.

Sorry for not deleting the extra words from a draft of a previous sentence.

296 posted on 04/28/2002 9:54:48 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: dheretic
I was not commenting on the merits of displaying these graphic images. Read the quoted text. The idea of advocates of baby-killing telling me what's good for children is what is stupid. I'm not necessarily on board with these signs. I would not want "peace" activists putting up signs of bloody war casualties to prove their point. When I was a child we drove past the scene of a bad motorcycle accident on a visit to California. It was haunting. I have a four-year old daughter, a two and one-half year old daughter and a one year old son. They do not miss a thing when we are driving. Childhood is a time of innocence and it must be magically wonderful to be a child and have no idea of the human carnage that is going on in the name of "choice." At this point I want to teach my kids to respect life but to defer graphic lessons about human reproduction and feticide for another day.
297 posted on 04/28/2002 10:07:20 PM PDT by Atticus
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To: Dianna
There are quite a few posters on this thread insisting it is no big deal at all to explain to a 3 year old that mommies sometimes kill their babies.

Well parental guidance and all.

298 posted on 04/28/2002 10:12:19 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: Jeff Gordon
Child abusers often make the same arguement: "It is not the abuse that traumatizes the child. It is the reactions of the adults who care for the child that traumatizes the child."

AHh there is a difference between the abuse that the child actually experiences and a picture unrelated to the child. So no, child abusers are not making the same argument. I think you would kick a kid out of school for drawing a picture of a gun.

299 posted on 04/28/2002 10:18:00 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: TopQuark
I am sorry, I mean no offense, but if you yourself are so morally confuse that you do not see the difference between these circumstances, there is nothing helpful I can say further.

I see you took my advice and decided to get some blinders

300 posted on 04/28/2002 11:29:27 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000
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