Posted on 05/05/2002 8:14:09 PM PDT by WaterDragon
Do you really think that matters? I'm sure at some point they will. I don't think those members of Tribe Judah that have mixed with non Judah members will lose their heritage.
To claim an inheritance from deceased A, descendant B would first HAVE TO KNOW he WAS so descended, and that test is flunked.
I doubt it. The seed of Abraham is the seed of Abraham. I'm not aware lack of memory of that constitutes disenfranchisement. I'd be willing to look at the law claiming it.
I know what you mean of course, that when Elijah comes he will make these genealogies plain, and many non-Jews and anti-Semites will learn of significant Jewish bloodlines in their past, whether in antiquity, medieval ages, or modernity. Will they then claim something based upon that?
I think you mean significant House of Israel bloodlines. I have no prediction of how this will come about.
I do not know, but it is very, very, likely that the great majority of these have already historically been Christian and thus saved under another method. Those living today may have apostasised like their fellow-former-CINO's-- but they might be just as likely, if they suddenly "got religion," to "get" evangelical Christianity as Judaism, imho.
While I have no prediction, I'm sure that a choice will be given. I don't think that choice has been given to date. Too much ignorance about the nature of things abounds. A true choice can only depend on knowledge.
I am not interested in those views, and I do not expect G-d to do anything in the final ages wrt those nations per se.
I do think that the USA's unhypehenated per se, as the ehrtsot ha-Breet, is/are a sort of second Israel, not according to fleshly descent FTMP, but according to the spirit, and that they/we represent Efraim in the end-time prophecies FWIW.
This is hardly a critical or important matter to me, and I never bother to teach on it.
Ah, too bad. Then I must view those who would steal the name Israelite as no better than common Claim Jumpers, Thieves of the good names of others, and who attempt to justify their greedy, clutching, grasping actions by subverting the word of God. These are the true Cultists, no better than the Jim Jones cults of history.
>I am not interested in those views, and I do not expect G-d to do anything in the final ages wrt
those nations per se.
It IS a pain to have to redo lecture notes. I know from experience teaching Graduate School at two of the nations finest.
After all, retirement is probably less than 20 years away, so why bother? If you put the lecture notes in plastic sheet binders the actual paper may also last until retirement. And with a little luck, new discoveries and ideas will not close in about you so closely that others will note you have become quite stale and obsolete.
>This is hardly a critical or important matter to me, and I never bother to teach on it.
Clearly it is not important to you. It is not important to teach students the truth, only what is in the sullabus. Accuracy in Academia is not important, for in the end only Tenure counts.
Have a nice undistrubed day. Sleep well.
-LT
Who has stolen the name "Israelite?" Who are these Claim Jumpers and Thieves, these Greedy, Clutching Graspers?
Will you plainly tell me to whom you refer?
LostTribe:
Do you believe the people living in Israel today who claim to be Jews are Israelites, descended from Jacob?
LostTribe:
Do you believe the people living in Israel today who claim to be Jews are Israelites, descended from Jacob?
Hosea 1: 10] Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
[11] Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
What I don't understand is why people find it so threatening that there may be more inheritors of Abrham's covenant than previously thought?
I for one would like to see many other countries standing with Israel against those who seek her destruction.
The problem I'm having with the issue of The Lost Tribes is simple: Many who espouse the theories set forth by LostTribe reject the notion that the Jews living in Israel today are true descendants of Jacob. They believe these "Jews" are imposters, laying claim to promises never made to them. A previous post by LostTribe engaged my radar.
Some who espouse these theories (such as Arnold Murray of The Shepherd's Chapel in Gravette Arkansas) go even further...it's my understanding that he believes that Jews are descendants of Satan. He calls them "Kenites," children of Caan, whose father was (according to Murray) the devil himself and who actually impregnated Eve.
I think it's important to know with what and with whom one is dealing when corresponding back-and-forth on a website like this.
I personally believe that Abraham's descendants are far greater in number than is usually supposed, but it's important to remember that his lineage includes Ishmael and Esau.
Whatever God will reveal will be revealed. If The Lost Tribes populated Europe and the Americas we will all know it eventually.
The good Lord reveals His mysteries in His own good time. He knows who is what. We all just have to hang on to whatever rags of sanity we can retain until He does.
You already no doubt know the names of all persons in the USA who have the slightest interest in your theories, so why don't you just email your drivel to THEM?
You are doing your best to prevent any discussion or education of the remaining 99.99% of the population.
Sorry, I don't understand the paragraph above. Can you rephrase it?
You are doing your best to prevent any discussion or education of the remaining 99.99% of the population.
How, specifically?
You interrupt every Mideast thread with your one-note monomaniacal agenda. It doesn't make a particle of difference that various and sundry clans throughout history (the Pashtan, Khazars, Lemba, Melungeons, Comanches, etc. etc.) have some tenuous genetic connections to ancient Israelites. SO WHAT?? Unless they observe the LAW of ISRAEL (the Torah) they have no claim to the INHERITANCE of ISRAEL.
I clicked on your Profile, and it tells me that you are a cultist.
Even if somebody somewhere might be descended from Abraham, that means absolutely nothing until such time as they both know it, admit it, and start living accordingly and outwardly presenting themselves as such.
If and when that ever happens, AND NOT UNTIL, LT and WT may have a point, and such "self-converts" would, at that time, be deserving of my support, for one, for recognition as a part of the Israeli people.
I now call on LT and WT to get off this thread and leave us alone. What Part of GET LOST, DROP DEAD, don't you understand?
If you would actually go and check the Bible instead of carrying on like stuck hogs you might actually learn something new. I know I did, and I'm having fun following his posts. It brought me back to studying the Bible, which is more than anything you have done.
Keep at it Lost Tribe! Don't let the ba$tards grind you down!
But his prior posts don't tell us whom he believes "Judah" to be.
He hasn't answered this question:
"Do you believe the people living in Israel today who claim to be Jews are Israelites, descended from Jacob?"
It's an important question. I await his answer. Thanks.
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