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Kindergartener's stripper-mom in church-school flap
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, May 16, 2002

Posted on 05/16/2002 2:29:30 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

A private Christian school and a kindergartener's mother who stripteases for a living are quickly becoming the focus of the latest debate on religious freedom.

Officials of Capital Christian School in Sacramento, Calif., discovered that what they thought had been a private meeting with a mother of a kindergartner who violated her commitment to school policy had become a news story on the local CBS affiliate KOVR.

The story first came to the attention of WorldNetDaily when WND columnist Rebecca Hagelin was invited Wednesday morning to discuss the issue on CNN's popular afternoon talk show "Talk Back Live." The only information circulating at the time was a brief description of a broadcast report filed by KOVR-TV which broke the story late Tuesday evening.

The summary blurb summed up the story this way: "A mother says her daughter is getting expelled from kindergarten because mom is a part-time stripper. This is about a five-year-old girl who attends Capital Christian School in Sacramento. But her mother says when the school found out she was an exotic dancer they told her she had one week to get her daughter out of their school."

Since the school's position was entirely absent from the report, Hagelin contacted the pastor of Capital Christian Church, the sponsoring church of the school. Senior Pastor Rick Cole was clearly disturbed by the events and reluctant to discuss details. Cole did, however, agree to provide certain facts about the case that had not been disclosed by the mother when she contacted the local television station about the situation.

Although Cole did not reveal the identity of the mother or child, WND subsequently learned their identities from KOVR-TV reporter George Franco, but has opted not to disclose the names to protect the child's privacy.

Hagelin reported the other side of the story during her appearance on CNN yesterday.

"By air time Wednesday afternoon, I had secured two interviews with pastor Cole from my car phone," she said. "His greatest concern and reluctance to speak came from his desire to protect the mother and her daughter." Given that only part of the story had become national news, she added, Cole thought it important provide the rest of the story.

Cole explained that recently school officials had become aware that the mother in question works as a part-time strip-teaser dancer at a local club. Since her occupation is in violation of an agreement with and commitment to the school philosophy that parents must sign before the children are admitted to school, school officials, including Cole met the mother.

Not wanting to divulge the personal and confidential details of the conversation with the mother, Cole only briefly outlined the details of the offer officials had made the mother -- which had been left out of previous news stories.

"The school offered to waive the last month's tuition for the student so the young girl could remain in school to the end of the year if the mother would quit her job as a strip-tease dancer. They also offered to support the mother and walk 'hand in hand' with her as she worked through the spiritual issues involved and sought to better her life," said Hagelin. "The pastor believed that the meeting had been well-received by the mother, but the next thing he knew he was getting calls from the local media. I found Pastor Cole to be clearly upset that his efforts to help a woman in a very bad situation were not successful."

As a requirement for admission, parents of prospective students must sign a "commitment" to support the philosophy of the school. That philosophy, in part, reads: "Emphasis is placed on learning about God and the truths of God's Word in relationship to man and his world; recognizing that the way to God comes through personal faith in Jesus Christ; and Christian maturity comes by application of the truths of the Bible in all areas of life." In signing the document, parents agree to maintain a "partnership" with the school "regarding the standards and criteria of a Christian learning structure that involves the entire family."

"Although school officials see the mother's job as a stripper as a clear violation of her signed commitment, automatic termination of the relationship was not an option for them," said Hagelin. "The pastor and school attempted to help the mother better her life, and offered her both financial, spiritual and emotional support."

In Hagelin's interview with the pastor, he described how the role of the school differed somewhat from that of the church. While the church has open arms to all who wish to attend, he discussed how essential parental commitment is to the success of a school of 1,200 students that seeks to provide both high academic and spiritual standards for each and every student, noted Hagelin.

Reporter George Franco of KOVR told Hagelin that the mother has retained legal counsel and is considering filing a motion for an immediate injunction to have the child remain in school while the mother continues to work as a stripper.


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Thursday, May 16, 2002

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1 posted on 05/16/2002 2:29:30 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
It is a private school that is allowed – and expected – to set its own rules.
What's the problem?
2 posted on 05/16/2002 3:16:41 AM PDT by R. Scott
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To: R. Scott
Agreed. Not only that, but they didn't just bounce the little girl out of the school...........they counseled the mom, offered a month's free tuition (NOT cheap), etc., etc. Seems to me they bent over backward to help here.........yet the press is trying to crucify 'em. Typical.
3 posted on 05/16/2002 3:39:54 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: R. Scott
What's the problem?

The problem is that there aren't any of the required photos to document the thread. ;-)

4 posted on 05/16/2002 3:52:25 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: one_particular_harbour
It could take her 40 hours in another career to earn what she can earn stripping "part-time" in a week.
9 posted on 05/16/2002 4:22:44 AM PDT by weegee
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To: one_particular_harbour; hobbes1
sorry, baby. i have no problem here with what the school did. it is a private school and her profession violated the principles upon which the school was founded. believe me, i send my kids to catholic school, i would fully expect them to do the same thing, and justifiably so. THAT is what i am PAYING for, a school that shares my values and will uphold those values on their end, instead of diminish them. She does not have a constitutional right to attend a CHRISTIAN school, if she can't live her life according to their principles, she should send her kid to the gov't school. heck they would organize a field trip for TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER TO WORK day!
11 posted on 05/16/2002 4:30:10 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: one_particular_harbour
you know, they may have been willing to offer her a job in the school, in the office or elsewhere, maybe with free tuition for her child. but maybe she just likes her work...
12 posted on 05/16/2002 4:36:56 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: one_particular_harbour
You are basing your opinions on what you DON'T know. She CHOSE to strip for a living. She made the choice and she must live with the consequences of that choice. The school does not have to accept what she does, whether she be a stripper or an abortionist.
13 posted on 05/16/2002 4:42:11 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: one_particular_harbour
Look at it this way, the kid learns before first grade what some people never figure out.
14 posted on 05/16/2002 4:42:34 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: JohnHuang2
Freedom of association - plain and simple.
15 posted on 05/16/2002 4:43:20 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan
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To: one_particular_harbour
I agree. Love the Sinner. Hate the Sin. The Child wasn;t hurting anyone.

This reeks of the same kind of attitude, that moron Betsy Hart displayed in her column the other day re: Hooters Waitresses....

Especially, considering one month left of school, they could have let the kidlet finish out......Just to avoid controversy. Curious to see how the signed agreement reads....

16 posted on 05/16/2002 4:43:54 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: hobbes1
Mom could have kept her clothes on rather than subject her child to the inevitable. It's not the school's fault that mom decided to be a stripper.
19 posted on 05/16/2002 4:49:34 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: one_particular_harbour
I know 2 young women of similar circumstances. They work in the sexual entertainment business (lap dancing clubs) and both have young daughters. Both would be diagnosed with bipolar disorder if they sought help. Although they are able to maintain what looks like a fairly stable social/economic level to the casual observer their lives are chaotic and chilling. Both are obsessed with some aspect of religiosity. Lap dancers for God I guess you could call them. They can talk and give a manipulative performance of what "good" mothers they are, but this only works on people who spend a limited amount of time with them. Bravo for the courage of those who attempted to counsel this young woman. Any human working in the soul and spirit demeaning world of sex for money needs counseling and meds.
20 posted on 05/16/2002 4:50:30 AM PDT by not-an-ostrich
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To: one_particular_harbour
Why doesn't mom provide a stable environment? Why blame the school for something that mom does? Mom became a stripper KNOWING it would affect her daughter. She CHOSE that path.

Jesus would tell the mom to stop stripping "Go and sin no more".

21 posted on 05/16/2002 4:51:23 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: hobbes1
......Just to avoid controversy

but that is what we're fighting against every day of our lives. Our public schools "tolerate" everything just to avoid controversy.

What the heck is wrong with controversy? Do we want to teach our kids that controversy is wrong? How 'bout doing the right thing? How 'bout the fact that this is a private school and this mom knew darn well what she was doing. Talk about being a hypocrite...she's the one that signed an agreement that she would uphold the school's values....and unless she is a complete moron, she could probably figure out that taking her clothes off for money just might not be one of those values.

Does she want Christian values taught to her child or not? Stick her in a public school.....then she can strip all she wants and no one will care. Instead...she put her child in a school that does care....and now she has a problem with that. What an idiot.

23 posted on 05/16/2002 4:53:37 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: weegee
It could take her 40 hours in another career to earn what she can earn stripping "part-time" in a week.

Yup, and she might earn more money in even fewer hours than that by becoming a prostitute. Your argument does not wash. The moral upbringing of a child is just as important. Most people do honest jobs that pay less because they want to set a good example for their kids and because they have morals themselves.

25 posted on 05/16/2002 4:55:44 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: ZinGirl
Does she want Christian values taught to her child or not? Stick her in a public school.....then she can strip all she wants and no one will care. Instead...she put her child in a school that does care....and now she has a problem with that. What an idiot

ITA, there is no one saying that the kid should be denied an education, just that there are rules that were agreed to and if you can't abide by them, you go. to public school. where the mom would be deified for her job.

27 posted on 05/16/2002 4:56:59 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: one_particular_harbour
how is she being harmed, OPH? she can be educated anywhere. why a christian school? to teach her christian values? when her mother is undermining those values daily when she goes to work? honey, i strip so you can go to Christian school. i could work at home depot, but then you would have to go to public school. i care about your morals, so i strip to make it possible.
28 posted on 05/16/2002 4:58:28 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: one_particular_harbour
Would Jesus run a private school? The mother has rejected the counsel of the school. Jesus had great patience when dealing with people who would listen but little with people who rejected His message.

If the school really wanted to help the child, they would keep the child in school but take the child from the mother. Is that what you want? The mother has chosen this path for her and her daughter and the daughter will have to live with her mother's choices.

29 posted on 05/16/2002 5:00:23 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: one_particular_harbour
You are being judgmental when you call them "ham-handed, amateurish, and judgmental".

If you are smart, you will never use the word "judgmental" again. You will only snare yourself in that trap.

30 posted on 05/16/2002 5:02:18 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: one_particular_harbour
You don't know how they acted unless you were present at the meeting(s). Were you?
31 posted on 05/16/2002 5:03:19 AM PDT by not-an-ostrich
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To: one_particular_harbour
Would Jesus expel the child from kindergarten?

Apparently, in your rush-to-hate-anything-Christian, you read right past the part where the pastor said they offered to let the little girl attend the school for free the last month, if the mother would give up the stripping.

When you read the WHOLE story, this looks more like a lawyer-assisted shakedown than a religious freedown story which is how the article's author hyped it in paragraph one.) Maybe this explains your blood-in-the-water reaction. LOL.

32 posted on 05/16/2002 5:05:02 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: one_particular_harbour
Would Jesus have expelled the child?

Boy, they hate it when you ask them WWJD....

33 posted on 05/16/2002 5:05:22 AM PDT by hobbes1
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How is she being harmed, OPH?

BY GETTING BOUNCED WITH A MONTH TO GO. THERE IS NO REASON FOR THAT.

34 posted on 05/16/2002 5:06:24 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: xsmommy
I agree...the mother-stripper knew what the rules of the school were...is she a mole for undermining this private school? Send her back to pubic school, she deserves it.
35 posted on 05/16/2002 5:06:57 AM PDT by iopscusa
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To: hobbes1
public school will take her. maybe the timing is not the best, but i fully support the school's action here. the mother KNEW damn well she was not abiding by the rules, so let's just rely on good ole Christian charity to allow my kid to finish out here, and maybe i can string them along next year as well. WHY does she want a christian education for her child????
36 posted on 05/16/2002 5:08:28 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: AppyPappy;one_particular_harbour
You are being judgmental when you call them "ham-handed, amateurish, and judgmental".

Not really. I would call that observant. With 4 weeks left in the School year to expel a 5 year old is "ham-handed, amateurish, and judgmental"

You let the Child finish, then handle it quietly, with some dignity accorded the flawed person...

37 posted on 05/16/2002 5:08:44 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: one_particular_harbour
Would Jesus have tried to help the mother? Yes. Did the school try to help the mother? Yes. Would Jesus abort babies? Where would you draw the line? As Christians, we have free will....we don't have Jesus just stepping in and fixing all the stupid things we parents do. The school tried to help the mother (which, duh, would have helped the child and she would not be getting expelled....). Mom got snotty and called the media.

Would Jesus not have a problem with a school calling instelf a 'Christian' school and proclaiming 'Christian' values, but then not upholding its 'Christian' standards.....for the sake of avoiding controversy?

Of course it's the child being hurt here....but it's the mother's selfishness that is doing it...not the school. The mother knew the rules....the mother broke the rules....have a problem with the mother...not the school.

38 posted on 05/16/2002 5:09:21 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: xsmommy
WHY does she want a christian education for her child????

maybe so she doesn't end up stripping? Just a guess....

39 posted on 05/16/2002 5:09:34 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: ZinGirl
Would Jesus not have a problem with a school calling instelf a 'Christian' school and proclaiming 'Christian' values, but then not upholding its 'Christian' standards.....for the sake of avoiding controversy?

Of course it's the child being hurt here....but it's the mother's selfishness that is doing it...not the school. The mother knew the rules....the mother broke the rules....have a problem with the mother...not the school.

i agree.

41 posted on 05/16/2002 5:10:29 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: hobbes1
They did exactly what Jesus would do. Tell the mom to stop stripping.
42 posted on 05/16/2002 5:10:37 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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and she will learn that stripping is a less than honorable profession, where? from mommy, who does it so that she can afford christian school for her, instead of public school, where they would have NO PROBLEM WITH IT ? talk about your mixed messages! geez! this is a no-brainer.
43 posted on 05/16/2002 5:12:04 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: one_particular_harbour
You're a lawyer. If I was a lawyer, I would tell my kids I was a stripper.

Heyyyy.....how do we know that the mom isn't really a lawyer?

45 posted on 05/16/2002 5:12:21 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To the Mom. However, they are forcing a situation that exacerbates the Childs awareness of the mothers predicament by bouncing her, with a month to go.

In the best interests of the little girl, and to protect her innocence from the mothers situation, they could have quietly said, "we will not be accepting her back next year...

47 posted on 05/16/2002 5:13:08 AM PDT by hobbes1
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You're a lawyer. If I was a lawyer, I would tell my kids I was a stripper. Heyyyy.....how do we know that the mom isn't really a lawyer?

now, appy, i am on your side here, don't go down that path....

Xsmommy, Esq. ; )

48 posted on 05/16/2002 5:13:30 AM PDT by xsmommy
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geez! this is a no-brainer.

Yes, and all of you fitting that description are apparently of like Rigid minds.

OPH and I will usually differ, on a subject like this, But If He and I see it the same way, you all are wrong.

50 posted on 05/16/2002 5:14:48 AM PDT by hobbes1
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