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Woolsey: Foiling the Next Attack
Opinion Journal ^ | 05/21/2002 | R. JAMES WOOLSEY

Posted on 05/20/2002 9:06:48 PM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:04:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It might be useful to call a truce, step back from the finger-pointing about who in the government made what mistakes before Sept. 11, and look for a moment at who was doing things right.

Much of the information upon which these men reached their conclusions was available to the rest of us. Why weren't we as perceptive as Rick Rescorla et al.?


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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 05/20/2002 9:06:48 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Miss Marple
Your thoughts? I'm outta here for the night...
2 posted on 05/20/2002 9:09:27 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma
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To: Pokey78
The way to foil the next attack is the exact same as the Allies did to the Germans, Italians and the Japanese in World War II.

Completely destroy their ability and desire to make war. Bomb them and their cities into smithereens until they come begging for unconditional surrender.

Hopefully the sleeping giant (USA) won't hit the snooze button and will wake up and come out swinging.
3 posted on 05/20/2002 9:11:18 PM PDT by xrp
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To: All
"One major reason is that much of the terrorists' plotting may be done here in the U.S.,
as terrorist expert Steven Emerson has been saying for years. "

It's your choice, sit at home OR actually get out and help defend America.

How YOU can assist fighting terrorist cells in the United Sates.
17yrs old and up, no upper age limit. Something for everyone to do




Jihad in America: Author Steve Emerson explains how he made video, lived to tell about it

4 posted on 05/20/2002 9:20:00 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Pokey78
Gee a Manhatten Project!

Please, dont put Condi on it.

Let her go play her piano.

Put her on her oil tanker.

Get her a library card.

Buy her a puter and teach her to google, but please,please dont let her on this new team!

5 posted on 05/20/2002 9:29:11 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Pokey78;Reformjoy;Snow Bunny;Fred Mertz;Joe Montana;ChaseR;VOA;RonDog;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub...
NEVER FORGET

...For more on the LifeSaving U.S. 7th Cavalry Hero of the Battle of IA DRANG-1965, the Bombing of the World Trade Center-1993 and the Airstrikes on the World Trade Center-2001...

...please see my Bookmarked...

RICK RESCORLA/"WE WERE SOLDIERS"/IA DRANG-1965

.. www.Freerepublic.com ..Threads...

...simply by accessing the.. ALOHA RONNIE ..on this Post.

...May I suggest first checking out my last Bookmarked Thread titled:

.. 'The bravest man I ever knew'..

...And above all ..-THANK YOU JAMES WOOLSEY-.. for following in the true LifeSaving foosteps of one ..RICK RESCORLA.. in a new -Time of War- in a new Century ..with an Enemy that is now Within.

Signed:..ALOHA RONNIE / Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 / www.LxRay.com

NEVER FORGET

6 posted on 05/20/2002 9:36:13 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: ALOHA RONNIE;All
ALOHA RONNIE Guyer-Vet/Battle of IA DRANG-1965
asks that we sign this Petition for Tower 2 Lifesaver ..RICK RESCORLA


RICK RESCORLA's Picture graces the Cover of ALOHA RONNIE's Commanding Officer
Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE's Bestselling Book about the Battle of IA DRANG-1965
where RICK's heroism is highlighted on -35- different pages..!


Click Here to sign the petition.

Petition to the President of the United States to bestow America's Medal of Freedom Award on New York City's Tower 2 Lifesaver Hero ..RICK RESCORLA..
ON SEPT 11TH IN SPITE OF BEING TOLD HIS BUILDING WAS NOT IN DANGER, HE IMPLEMENTED THE EVACUATION PLAN HE HAD DEVELOPED FOR HIS FIRM, MORGAN STANLEY. AS A DIRECT RESULT OF HIS EFFORTS THAT DAY AND HIS QUICK ACTION, OVER 2,600 EMPLOYEES WERE SAVED. MR. RESCORLA WAS LAST SEEN GOING UP TO RESCUE PEOPLE WHO WERE UNABLE TO GET DOWN. HIS ACTIONS REFLECT THE VERY BEST ABOUT AMERICA,
ITS CITIZENS AND ITS DREAMS.

7 posted on 05/20/2002 9:40:20 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Pokey78
A ***PART**** of the answer is in his doc.

LIBRARIANS are used to handling massive amounts of information and filtering it out for users--especially REFERENCE LIBRARIANS.

Some super sharp such should be enlisted in this war. . . and paid well for it.

8 posted on 05/20/2002 9:41:09 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Pokey78
The only true answer to this is for the Gov't to spy on in's people and racial profiling !

The Right will freek out about the first and the left will freek about the second !

It will happen and it's just a matter of when?

I bet right after the next major attack !

9 posted on 05/20/2002 9:42:53 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: Betty Jo
Why keep Condi off the team?
10 posted on 05/20/2002 9:43:40 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
Rice's job pre 9-11 had nothing to do with security inside the US ! That's never been the role of her position ! It's always been foreign affairs/security but I'm sure that's changed now?
11 posted on 05/20/2002 9:46:42 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: All
NEVER FORGET

...For more on just WHO did all this to LifeSaving Hero ..RICK RESCORLA.. at Tower 2 on Sept 11th may I also suggest checking out the following Threads:

'September 11, 2001--Another Day That Will Live in Infamy'

...in the.. www.WeWereSodliersFILM.com ..-Off Topic- General Discussion Forum.

'Guilty CLINTON: "It ain't my Fault" (9-11-01)' -&-

'WE are ALL SOLDIERS Now'

...in the.. www.Newsmax.com ..-Operation Enduring Freedom- Forum.

Thank You ALL Very Much.

NEVER FORGET

12 posted on 05/20/2002 9:49:59 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: america-rules
OK, SO her past brief has been outside CONUS.

Howsomever . . . uhhhhh. . . . given her manner, cleverness and raw mental horsepower . . . it seems foolish to leave her off an important team unless higher priority demands require it.

13 posted on 05/20/2002 9:51:15 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
Because she's the twit that is the NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER!

When told to get a report she didnt have the brains to make it real!

14 posted on 05/20/2002 10:01:01 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Betty Jo
Betty Jo, please elaborate. What is it makes her unfit for inclusion?
15 posted on 05/20/2002 10:06:57 PM PDT by Eugene Tackleberry
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To: All
NEVER FORGET

...May I also suggest checking out the ..RICK RESCORLA.. Story on our U.S. 7th Cavalry ..'WE WERE SOLDIERS ONCE and YOUNG'.. website..

.. www.LzXray.com ..

...Also get a hold of ..-Dateline NBC's-.. outstanding ..RICK RESCORLA.. Story that aired in March 2002 that starts out with we IA DRANG-1965 Veterans -&- a newly widowed ..SUSAN RESCORLA.. at dawn on Veterans Day Sunday at Washington D.C.'s Vietnam Wall in honor of our 1965, and now 2001, Fallen Brothers.

Thank You ALL Very Much.

NEVER FORGET

16 posted on 05/20/2002 10:11:47 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: Eugene Tackleberry
Go read what her duties are.

She obviously didnt take them seriously.

17 posted on 05/20/2002 10:15:26 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Betty Jo
Guess I missed that one. What are you referring to?
18 posted on 05/20/2002 10:25:03 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Betty Jo
You know, I just have to comment on what seem to me grossly unfair remarks made over and over about this administration. Do you even realize that this new administration have had their hands full trying to plug all the holes left by 8 long sorry pathetic years of treasonous acts by the previous administration?

Give W and his team a break, for crying out loud! I'm constantly impressed by what they're accomplishing. Maybe they're not perfect, but it's a darn sight better than what we had to endure before.

19 posted on 05/20/2002 10:44:27 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Pokey78
Find the missing 9 tons of sodium cyanide taken gunpoint and you'll stop the next attack. That's about 8 million lethal doses. The papers aren't even talking about it.
20 posted on 05/20/2002 10:46:13 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: John Jamieson
Is that the cyanide from the truck in Mexico? I was wondering what's become of that.
21 posted on 05/20/2002 10:49:13 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Pokey78
Intercepted communications could be a more promising source of intelligence if it weren't for our national tendency to logorrhea about the subject. U.S. intelligence figured out in the late 1990s how to intercept bin Laden's satellite telephone conversations, and then someone talked to the press about it; the source of course dried up. Recently there have been periodic press reports about how we have been able to intercept al Qaeda e-mail and other communications. (Hint to the blabbermouths in the government who have access to intercepts of terrorist communications: Members of al Qaeda read newspapers.)

This is one of my pet peeves. If some Army PFC somewhere were to sell to the Russians what the pinheads in routinely tell the Washington Compost on background, he would go to jail for a long time. Yet we do nothing about Congressmen, staffers, and others who leak vital secrets related to sources and methods of intelligence collection.

22 posted on 05/20/2002 10:49:14 PM PDT by LouD
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To: texasbluebell
18 wheeler found almost empty. Probably in 9 pickup trucks headed throughout the country by now. Sports drinks, watersoftners, swimming pools, salt shakers, coffee makers, and local water companies all great targets. Looks just like table salt. Tastes salty, smells like almonds.

Wrap some around a bomb and get hydrogen cyanide gas with your explosion.

23 posted on 05/20/2002 10:57:32 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: Pokey78
NEVER FORGET

...While the CLINTON Administration used the capturing of the Blind Muslim Cleric as the Mastermind of the Bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 as its primary example that it was not soft on Terrorism during the 1990's...

...it was ..RICK RESCORLA.. and his old Army Buddy and Terrorism Expert / Convert to Islam ..DAN HILL.. that actually brought this Terrorist to Justice...

...while the CLINTONS just sat on their hands.

NEVER FORGE

24 posted on 05/20/2002 11:17:43 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: Pokey78
It is probably in part because in order to make decisions about what we need to do to thwart terrorist attacks in this country we've been relying too much upon the prospect of obtaining foreign intelligence. For a number of reasons this source of information--stealing secrets abroad by, principally, recruiting spies and intercepting communications--will only rarely be able to give us advance warning about terrorist attacks.

The reason it will only rarely give us advance warning is because - as Mr. Woolsey made clear - in 1995 Bill Clinton ordered the CIA to stop collecting any "human intelligence" from anyone that might be considered a "human rights violator." In other words, because the Taliban treated women like dirt, we had to sever all undercover ties to them, as well as completely abandon out HUMINT networks in untold dozens of countries around the world. Thus, by 2001, when Bush took office, there WAS NO FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE LEFT TO GET. An outfit like Al-Qaida that only occasionally uses computers to communicate can only be infiltrated by other humans. Bill Clinton - and Woolsey - ruled that unacceptable for reasons of political correctness. Thousands died as a result.

26 posted on 05/20/2002 11:31:38 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: xrp; Quix; america-rules; Timesink; ALOHA RONNIE
The question is how to replicate such insights across the spectrum of government.

The answer is that you can't replicate a gifted ability.

But it was well known that Kenneth Williams in Phoenix had an uncanny ability to see through the fog of information "noise." So did Rick Rescorla. After two major attacks on this nation, WTC 1993 and OKC in 1995, as well as the repeated successes on U.S. overseas targets, some thinking outside the box should have taken place.

I believe that it is institutional jealousy, as much as anything, which prohibits organizations from identifying the above-noted "stars" and assembling a team to brainstorm what the terrorists' next operation might look like.

This article points out very clearly the follies and calcification of institutional thinking.

27 posted on 05/21/2002 12:36:06 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: John Jamieson
The papers aren't even talking about it.

It's like it's no big deal now, isn't it? If you do a search for cyanide here on FR it becomes clear that islamic terrorists value cyanide.

28 posted on 05/21/2002 1:41:23 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
thanks for the ping...and bump.
Kinda' scary to see the map on post #4; seems like most places I've lived, the terrorists
want to be.
29 posted on 05/21/2002 7:24:53 AM PDT by VOA
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
thanks for the ping...and bump.
Kinda' scary to see the map on post #4; seems like most places I've lived, the terrorists
want to be.
30 posted on 05/21/2002 7:24:54 AM PDT by VOA
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To: happygrl
I believe that it is institutional jealousy, as much as anything, which prohibits organizations from identifying the above-noted "stars" and assembling a team to brainstorm what the terrorists' next operation might look like. This article points out very clearly the follies and calcification of institutional thinking.

QUITE SO!!! Strongly agree. The only way I've thought of to set things up to routinely get around that is to have small groups of average citizens tasked and paid handsomely to oversee various components of government. They would be selected on a logical basis after thorough research and nominations from anyone.

But any system of man is going to have flaws at the best we can do. We all await The King who demonstrated His Sacrificial Love so finally and selflessly. He alone is the lasting Hope. We have an infinite capacity to screw things up without His help and intervention.

31 posted on 05/21/2002 10:35:11 AM PDT by Quix
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To: MarMema
The '93 WTC bomb contained cyanide, which, however, incinerated in the explosion, so that it did not harm anyone. The Palestinians' bombs in Israel are said to contain rat poison.

Hitler considered Jews vermin, the Zyklon-B cyanide poison used to kill them had previously been used as an insecticide, and the Jews were told they were being deloused.

The Islamofascists, who seem to admire Hitler, may well feel they are ridding the world of vermin by killing infidels with cyanide.

32 posted on 05/21/2002 3:03:19 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Pokey78; Mitchell
Perhaps off-topic, but here are two amusing facts
I learned on the Batchelor-Alexander (WABC) show last night:

1. Louis Freeh did not like computers
and his FBI offices did NOT have computers
OR E-mail
under his administration.
(Mueller presently is having computers installed)

2. The snail-mail service on Capitol hill still is shut down.
Offices are using Federal Express.

33 posted on 05/21/2002 3:13:50 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
Perhaps off-topic, but here are two amusing facts I learned on the Batchelor-Alexander (WABC) show last night:
1. Louis Freeh did not like computers and his FBI offices did NOT have computers OR E-mail under his administration. (Mueller presently is having computers installed)

This is incredible. Can it really be true? This may explain a lot.

2. The snail-mail service on Capitol hill still is shut down. Offices are using Federal Express.

I've been told that grant applications to Federal agencies (like NSF and NIH) now have to be made either through their on-line system or via Federal Express. Apparently you can't even hand-deliver applications to NIH any more, because of security considerations. (People used to use hand delivery sometimes to get an application in just under the deadline.)

34 posted on 05/21/2002 3:20:17 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell
This is incredible. Can it really be true?

Batchelor and Alexander also found it hard to believe.

But the story now has been told
by two different guests
two nights in a row.

What we are learning about Freeh's administration
is incredible in every aspect.
He didn't like bad news
and anyone who gave him any got the axe.

Freeh took personal charge
of all major investigations
including such wonderful successes
such as the Jewell arrest
the Los Alamos problems,
etc. etc.

35 posted on 05/21/2002 3:45:14 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Mitchell; keri; Alamo-Girl; The Great Satan; aristeides; right_to_defend
The sources for the story
(the FBI doesn’t have computers
or e-mail)
were Ronald Kessler
(“The Secret Life of the FBI”)
two nights ago,
and Henry Miller of the Hoover Institute
(last night).

According to Miller,
Mueller is now installing 1000’s
of Dell Computers
but until recently
communications with the CDC in Atlanta
regarding the Anthrax investigation
were done using Federal Express.

Perhaps this explains
why the Anthrax investigation has moved so slowly

36 posted on 05/21/2002 7:13:10 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
Correction: the title of Kessler's book is:

"The Secret History of the FBI"

37 posted on 05/21/2002 7:24:42 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub;generalissimoduane;pokey78
NEVER FORGET

...It's now...

...11,400... RICK RESCORLA ..Medal of Freedom Award Petition Signatures for President BUSH to consider and...

...that's just ...OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!

NEVER FORGET

38 posted on 05/21/2002 7:47:56 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: Nogbad
Jeepers! Thanks for the heads up!
39 posted on 05/21/2002 8:01:57 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Nogbad
According to Miller, Mueller is now installing 1000’s of Dell Computers but until recently communications with the CDC in Atlanta regarding the Anthrax investigation were done using Federal Express.

A very rapid installation of networked computers by people with little experience suggests that security vulnerabilities may result.

40 posted on 05/21/2002 10:14:59 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Pokey78; Mudboy Slim; All

.

9/11...


Lifesaver RICK RESCORLA's statue joyfully unveiled at Ft. Benning GA

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608896/posts

.


41 posted on 04/15/2006 7:46:23 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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