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Let Us Pray: A Call for More Orthodoxy, and Latin Mass, for the Troubled Church
The New York Times, New Jersey section (not published online) | May 26, 2002 | Benedicta Cipolla

Posted on 05/26/2002 7:05:39 PM PDT by ELS

Let Us Pray

A Call for More Orthodoxy, and Latin Mass, for the Troubled Church

Jersey City
There was a time in the Roman Catholic Church, a generation ago, when codified rituals and whispered prayers embraced the mysterious power of God. In more recent days, the whispers have been of a more profane nature as Catholics from the occasional congregant to the Pope have wrestled with the painful issue of priests who sexually abuse children.

The ensuing scandal - which is roiling the American Catholic Church as nothing else in its history - has prompted many to call for liberal reform in the church. Yet odd as it may seem on the surface, there is another group of people within the church who are intent on reform of a very different nature, and they recently gathered in Jersey City to participate in a Mass that once united Catholics across the globe.

Traditionalists, as they call themselves, are seeking not less but more orthodoxy in issues of morality and adherence to church doctrine, and are passionate about a liturgy that all but disappeared after the Second Vatican Council.

"The old Latin Mass" said Judith Markenstein, whose husband is a deacon at Holy Rosary Parish here, "gives you a mystical sense of the greatness of God and the smallness of us."

The Tridentine Mass fell by the wayside in the 1960's when the Vatican updated the liturgy - abandoning Latin in favor of the vernacular, encouraging more lay involvement on the altar and turning the priest around to face the congregation.

In 1984 Pope John Paul II allowed the Tridentine Mass to be celebrated, but only under strict conditions. Then in 1988 he issued Ecclesia Dei, which allowed the old rite as long as local bishops gave their permission. Since then, Tridentine Masses have been increasing steadily, if not flourishing. According to the Coalition in Support of Ecclesia Dei, an Illinois-based organization that provides help to parishes interested in starting up a Tridentine Mass, 150 traditional Masses are celebrated each Sunday in the United States and dozens more once or twice a month, up from 60 a week and 40 a month in 1991.

As recently as a week ago, a spokeswoman for the coalition said, 117 of the 201 Catholic dioceses in the United States offered a traditional Latin Mass. One week ago, the Newark Archdiocese became No. 118.

The first Tridentine Mass at Holy Rosary Parish in more than 30 years attracted about 100 people from all over North Jersey. What drew them, many said, was the old rite's sense of transcendence and mystery, contemplative silence mixed with the unison voices of Gregorian chant, the pungent smell of incense and the sprinkling of holy water.

For Ron Colombo, a Hoboken resident, May 19 was a long time coming. Since moving from New York City in 1999, he and his wife, Kim, had traveled 40 minutes each way on Sundays to attend a Tridentine Mass, either back to Manhattan or to Pequannock. When Mr. Colombo heard last summer that the Rev. Kenneth Baker was mulling over the possibility of bringing Latin back to Holy Rosary, he helped the church's pastor, Msgr. Joseph Chiang, to circulate a petition, which eventually made its way to the desk of Archbishop John J. Myers of Newark, whose jurisdiction includes Jersey City.

Nine months later, with the archbishop's permission in hand, new vestments hanging in the sacristy and Latin-English missals, purchased in part with money donated by the Colombos, his legwork came to fruition.

The 30-year-old Mr. Colombo grew up in Queens, a "typical American Catholic," he said. He attended catechism classes, where he learned to "color, share and be nice to people," but little about Catholic dogma, and dutifully attended the post-Vatican II Mass. In 1997, as a law student at New York University, he stumbled by chance upon a Tridentine Mass.

"I could not believe this was my religion," he said. "For all practical purposes, it wasn't."

Crediting the old rite with making him a "true Catholic," he possesses something like the zeal of a convert, pressing to recapture "traditional Catholic culture."

Being a traditionalist, he said, "is not just Mass. It's a mind-set. It's orthodoxy plus culture, an entire milieu of Catholic living."

That milieu includes shunning meat on Fridays even though the church prescribes abstinence only during Lent, praying the rosary and saying grace before every meal.

Robert Phillips, a professor of philosophy at the University of Connecticut at Hartford, said that traditionalists feel that as Catholic liturgy has gone downhill, so have the moral standards of American Catholics, both laity and clergy. "True devotees of the Old Mass are super-orthodox," said Professor Phillips, who places himself in the traditionalist camp, but does not advocate a full-fledged restoration of the Tridentine Rite. Traditionalists "go against many aspects of American Catholicism," he said.

As Kevin Flynn, the 40-year-old master of ceremonies at Holy Rosary's first Mass, put it, "I hope an attachment to the Old Mass also means an attachment to a traditional interpretation of Catholicism. Mass should be the center of your life."

Mr. Flynn, like Mr. Colombo, is uncomfortable with the dilution of the solemnity of the Mass over the past 30 years or so, and feels that it has been overshadowed by debates on church positions like abortion and contraception, which he does not believe are open for discussion.

In the newer Mass, Mr. Flynn and others said, the crucial sense of the sacred, the idea that something central to the faith takes place on the altar, has given way to a more casual approach. The priest facing the congregation "encourages improvisation," said Professor Phillips, relating an anecdote about a priest who interrupted a Mass to inform the congregation that it was his birthday. The New Mass, he said, encourages such ad-libbing because it is celebrated in English, and also because the priest is "looking at the people, and wants to tell them something."

But others find fault with blaming the English-language Mass for moral and liturgical laxity. While the Rev. Neil J. Roy, a theology professor at the Catholic University of America in Washington, acknowledged that improvisation happened more frequently today, he would like to see more reverence in the newer rite, rather than a return to the old one.

Since for most Catholics, Sunday Mass is the first, and often the most constant, component of their faith, traditionalists see the old rite as a first step on the road to a deeper understanding of Catholicism and stricter adherence to its tenets.

"If you can get people into church, and say this is what liturgy is supposed to be, this is about worshipping God, and then we can get them into moral law, abortion, homosexuality, contraception," said Mr. Phillips.

Mr. Colombo agreed. Asking rhetorically how many Catholics use birth control, he said, " I'd like to see those same numbers at a traditional Latin Mass. If we return to the traditional Latin Mass, you are going to have a change in people."



TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholicchurch; hoboken; holyrosary; holyrosarychurch; hudsoncounty; jerseycity; latinmass; tradition
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To: ELS
Good post, and I think you are on the right track.
Keep working and good luck!
41 posted on 05/26/2002 9:31:40 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: ELS;Goldhammer
Thank you both for the info. My church is going to be priestless on one Sunday morning in a couple of weeks. I might take that as an opportunity to experience the traditional Mass.
43 posted on 05/26/2002 9:47:25 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: ELS
If the RCC had not sacked tradition, my wife and I would probably be RCs now instead of Missouri Synod Lutherans. We left the Episcopal Church because it sacked tradition. I met with the local RC priest. After listening to my views on things, he told me that I should not bother joinging the RCC because it was going down the same road as the Episcopal Church. How right he was! I really appreciated his candor and vision--I can only believe that he did not want a couple more unhappy, maybe rabblerousing communicants on his hands.
44 posted on 05/26/2002 9:52:32 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: ELS
Yes, let's go back to the good old days, before my time, but I heard they were good :)

We need to go back to a time when we were taught that there were consequences for our indiscretions and sins, that fear of the Lord was a gift of the Holy Spirit.

45 posted on 05/26/2002 9:52:50 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: MarMema
Thanks.

It is what we believe - what you do, say, and how you act externally is a lead to your (internal) piety, as well as expressive of it.

The Latin phrase lex orandi, lex credendi says basically the same thing - the rule of prayer dictates the rule of belief or what you exhibit externally reflects what you believe internally. The inimitable Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, "If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave."

46 posted on 05/26/2002 9:52:56 PM PDT by ELS
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To: Goldhammer
You beat me to the Archbishop Sheen quote!
47 posted on 05/26/2002 9:55:49 PM PDT by ELS
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To: Pushi
After listening to my views on things, he told me that I should not bother joinging the RCC

Well, he is going to have to answer for that. You are always welcome to join us.

48 posted on 05/26/2002 9:59:09 PM PDT by ELS
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To: Goldhammer,arrogant_bustard,siobhan
I am so impressed with the posts on this thread, speaking as an outside cheerleader. This group could save your church single-handed.

Reverence and mystery are important in worship.
If your crisis brings about change as you posters are discussing here, it could be all worth it in the end.

This is a great thread.
GO, Catholics!!!

49 posted on 05/26/2002 9:59:25 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
The traditional liturgy has little appeal to Protestants. They do not understand it and never will. Catholics made the mistake of trying to be more like Protestants. It was a huge mistake.

I am often amazed at the poverty of Protestants when it comes to understanding the significance or forms.

51 posted on 05/26/2002 10:12:45 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Antoninus
"I'm a child of the 1970s and grew up when guitar masses, clown masses, pandering homilies, and liturgical dancing were all the vogue. The result was that us kids had no respect or reverence for the service ... " Groan. I remember all that. Wasn't it awful? Moreover, I am ten years older than you, so I could vaguely remember the graceful older forms, being replaced by a continuous cavalcade of change. Very irreverent, most of it.
52 posted on 05/26/2002 10:16:39 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Goldhammer
fanticize? I am just saying what might have been.
53 posted on 05/26/2002 10:19:43 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: Pushi
If the RCC had not sacked tradition

Without tradition, where would we be?


54 posted on 05/26/2002 10:21:42 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: ELS
Are you saying Catholics can't learn Latin? After trying the Latin Mass, I decided I liked it. In fact, I preferred it.

It can be lovely to worship in another language, especially an older one. My children did fine with Old Church Slavonic for a lot of years.

55 posted on 05/26/2002 10:25:47 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: ELS
The priest facing the congregation "encourages improvisation," said Professor Phillips, relating an anecdote about a priest who interrupted a Mass to inform the congregation that it was his birthday. The New Mass, he said, encourages such ad-libbing because it is celebrated in English, and also because the priest is "looking at the people, and wants to tell them something."

WOW. Now I am really getting excited. Is it true that your priests used to face the altar, as ours still do?

56 posted on 05/26/2002 10:28:39 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: uncbob
You would be very surprised at the high percentage of the attendees at our Tridentine St. Mary's Shrine in Rockford (fully in accord with the leadership of our very Catholic Bishop Thomas Doran) who are young couples with large numbers of children.
57 posted on 05/26/2002 10:34:12 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: stripes1776
You would be surprised at the very substantial percentage of attendees in the Tridentine Rite who are convert/refugees from mainline Protestant Churches and, in the case, of our shrine in Rockford, how many Protestants like them are singing in the choir and attending as well, hopefully on their way to conversion.
58 posted on 05/26/2002 10:37:26 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: MarMema
At every traditional (Tridentine) Roman Catholic Mass, the priest faces the altar with his back to the congregation or main body of it. It is only the new Mass or Novus Ordo that allows for the celebrity style (Hi, my name is Bob and I'll be your presider today) of priest who seems all too often to imagine that he, not Christ, is the focus of the Mass.

BTW, the late Bishop Fulton Sheen used to say that he would never belong to the Catholic Church either if it was what its critics claimed it was.

59 posted on 05/26/2002 10:44:48 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: sinkspur
Let me get this straight.An English mass fosters sins....

Nope...you didn't get this straight. Perhaps you should wear a bigger shoe.

60 posted on 05/26/2002 10:46:03 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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