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Firestorm -- A Review of the 1996 Church Fire Scare
original opinion piece | 12/96 | Interesting Times

Posted on 05/29/2002 6:17:11 PM PDT by Interesting Times

During the summer of 1996, Americans were deluged with thousands of newspaper, magazine and television reports that racists were torching black churches* throughout the South. This article traces the origins and events of what appears to have been a remarkably effective campaign of disinformation.

*Since few churches have completely white or black memberships, references to 'white' or 'black' churches identify the predominant race of their members.

The Activists

In late March, The Center for Democratic Renewal (CDR) and the National Council of Churches (NCC) held a press conference to announce a huge increase in arsons against black churches. The Rev. Mac Charles Jones, a CDR board member, categorized the wave of arsons as the result of "a well-organized white-supremacist movement." The CDR released a preliminary report showing an increase in the number of such arsons every year since 1990, and said that all suspects arrested for these crimes have been white.

Though most media reports referred to the CDR as 'an independent group that monitors hate crimes', the organization, whose stated agenda is to work with other 'progressive' groups to "counter right-wing rhetoric and public policy initiatives," is in fact part of the political far left. It has issued a steady stream of statements, reports and interviews over the years claiming that racial terrorism by whites against blacks is on the rise.

In 1989, for example, a Washington Post article entitled "Bombings Called Latest of Racial Crimes," reported that the CDR had detected a sharp increase in racial violence and other crimes by hate groups over the previous few years -- a conclusion not shared by most other observers. In 1994, CDR Program Research Director Loretta J. Ross issued a report called "State of the White Supremacist," which argued that "white supremacy is an ideology that manipulates U.S. politics and affects all relations in American society." That paper also referred to an "increase in violent hate crimes across the nation."

Given the track record and hard ideological edge of the CDR, one might have expected the mainstream media to respond to this latest round of accusations with a grain of salt and some fact checking. With a very few exceptions, this was not to be the case.

The Church Council

The second major player in the church fire campaign was the National Council of Churches, which had been seeking to widen the scope of its political operations. In December of 1995, concerned with the increasing influence of the religious right, the head of the NCC and the heads of six church denominations met in Washington D.C. to map out a counterattack. Also in late 1995, the NCC hired CDR board member Mac Charles Jones as part of an increased organizational emphasis on "racial justice in public life." It was Jones who suggested investigating the topic of black church fires.

The relationship between the NCC churches and CDR predated Jones – for example, the United Methodist Church Board of Church and Society had been involved with the CDR for several years. In July of 1995, a church-wide Methodist conference was held on "Christian Ministry in the Midst of Hate and Violence." 'State of the White Supremacist' author Loretta Ross was a featured speaker. According to a Methodist report, Ross "drew parallels between the political agendas of hate groups and 'far right politics'" and proposed action strategies including "leadership development, research, cultivation of the media, and the building of networks that can respond immediately to care for victims and launch educational efforts."

The President

After meeting with two black ministers at the request of NCC general secretary Joan Campbell, President Clinton focused on the church burnings in his June 8 radio address. He proposed a new federal task force to investigate the arsons, and recalled "vivid and painful memories of black churches being burned in my own state when I was a child." The president also stated that "racial hostility is the driving force" behind the fires, and pledged that the federal government would respond with its full power.

A burst of presidential activity followed. On June 14, Clinton invited Southern governors to a White House summit on the church fires. The next day, the BATF and FBI assigned 200 federal agents to the investigation. On June 17, the president assigned James Witt, head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to head a multi-agency effort aimed at prevention. On July 11, Clinton told delegates to the NAACP's annual convention that America must stop "the fires of hatred and bigotry." On July 13, Clinton signed into law the 'Church Fire Prevention Act of 1996', which added church arsons to the more than 3,000 types of federal crime already on the books. On August 7, the president signed a spending bill that included $12 million to combat fires at churches with black congregations. Clinton toured the ruins of burned-out black churches on two occasions, including his 50th birthday on Aug 19. On August 29, while accepting his party's nomination to a second term as president, Clinton again referred to the fires, and also condemned the painting of swastikas on the doors of Special Forces troops at Fort Bragg in North Carolina as racially motivated.

Publicity Firestorm

Media coverage of the church fires exploded after the President's radio speech. By June 8, over 2,200 newspaper articles on the topic had been printed. Magazine and television reports proclaimed that a new campaign of terror was occurring in the South, comparable to the wave of church burnings and bombings by segregationists during the 1950's and early 1960's. The Los Angeles Sentinel printed an article on June 13 typical of the tone of the coverage entitled "Madmen Setting Fires Of Hatred In South." USA Today ran huge articles on three consecutive days. In pulpits across the country, ministers raised their voices against racial terrorism and took up collections to rebuild the churches.

The vast majority of news accounts reported as a fact that burnings of black churches had dramatically increased. Many also raised the issue of whether conservative politics had helped to create a 'climate of intolerance' conducive to racial terrorism. The Rev. C.T. Vivian, chairman of the CDR, helpfully suggested that "There's only a slippery slope between conservative religious persons and those that are really doing the burning."

Other Voices

Not everyone accepted the claims made by the CDR, NCC, and President Clinton at face value. The day after President Clinton's radio address, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette and others reported that no church burning had occurred in Arkansas during Mr. Clinton's childhood, the president's "vivid and painful" memories notwithstanding.

On July 8, writing in the Wall Street Journal, Michael Fumento analyzed the CDR report state by state, and found that it "regularly ignored fires set by blacks and those that occurred in the early part of the decade, and labeled fires as arson that were not -- all in an apparent effort to make black church torchings appear to be escalating." Fumento also reviewed USA Today statistics purporting to show a sharp rise in black church arsons starting in 1994, and pointed out that two of the Southern states USA Today listed hadn't started reporting data until 1993, and a third hadn't until 1995. Naturally, he said, when they did, the number went up. Eliminating these states, the USA Today statistics showed no increase from 1990 to 1995 (numbers for 1996 are skewed by copycat crimes that followed the massive publicity). For 1995, USA Today reported 45 arsons against white churches in the states surveyed in the South, and 27 against black churches, compared to a 4:1 ratio of whites to blacks in the region. Fumento noted that Southern black churches tend to be smaller than white churches, and are therefore proportionally more numerous. They are also more likely to be located in economically depressed areas, older, and made of wood – all factors in arson.

In an August 2 letter to the Wall Street Journal, CDR Board President Joann Watson responded to the Fumento article, insisting that "80 black churches were burned between January 1990 and May 1996". Watson did not address Fumento's numerous and specific claims that the CDR had falsified its data, and concluded with the remark, "We think that epidemic or not, even one church torched because of racial hatred is one too many."

On August 14, the Institute on Religion and Democracy (IRD) wrote the NCC a public letter accusing it of promoting "a great church-fire hoax." NCC general secretary Joan Campbell expressed "stunned disbelief" at the accusation, and said that since "roughly the same number" of white and black churches had been burned, racism was evident.

On August 27, James K.Glassman wrote in a Washington Post editorial that President Clinton had "obscured the scandal of the FBI files by promoting the phony tale of a wave of racist church burnings."

In mid-September, the Army officially confirmed that the painting of swastikas denounced as racist by President Clinton August 29th at the Democratic Convention had actually been done by a black soldier. Television and newspaper accounts had reported that the primary suspect was black as far back as late June.

Following the Money

Clinton's June 8 radio address also marked the turning point for the fund-raising effort. On June 10, after flying 38 pastors to Washington, the NCC held a news conference to distribute a revised and updated CDR study on the burnings. Eight charitable foundations, including the Ford Foundation, pledged contributions within 24 hours.

In mid-June, the National Council of Churches ran full-page advertisements in the New York Times, Washington Post, and other papers soliciting contributions for the newly created Burned Churches Fund. Readers were invited to "stand up against racism and help rebuild the burned churches." Though not mentioned in the ads, the spokesman and administrator for the fund was reported to be one Don Rojas, formerly employed as Director of Communications for the People's Revolutionary Government of Grenada.

I called the Burned Churches Fund hotline in mid-July, to ask for a written breakdown of how the money would be used, and was told that "we're just set up to take donations." The woman I spoke to was unable to tell me whom to contact for information or written materials, but assured me that "all the money is going directly to the churches."

On August 9, a front-page article in the Wall Street Journal entitled "Burning Need" reported that a year before, the NCC had been "struggling to raise money to fund ambitious programs designed to combat racism." In the past year the NCC had submitted "at least three 'racial justice' proposals seeking $1.9 million in funding from nonprofit groups including the Ford Foundation. Ford and the others turned the proposals down." Now, the Journal reported, the NCC "has managed to raise nearly $9 million in a major fund drive, and contributions continue to pour in at about $100,000 a day". The Journal also noted that "by couching the burnings as a 'national disaster' orchestrated by 'organized white-supremacist groups' and by buying provocative full-page advertisements in four major newspapers, the NCC has raised more money more quickly than it has for any previous cause."

The total value of funds, materials, and insurance available to rebuild the churches at the time of the Journal article exceeded $18 million, not including the value of services and labor pledged by the United Way, Promise Keepers, Habitat for Humanity, unions, students, and others. The NCC itself estimated that for about $8.5 million each of the 43 churches on its list could be rebuilt and upgraded with improvements such as day-care centers and recreation rooms.

The Journal reported that at least $3.5 million of the excess funds would be "earmarked for what Mac Charles Jones, a NCC official calls 'program advocacy' -- seminars and other forums that will not only address racism but matters of 'economic justice' and 'interlocking oppressions from gender to homophobia.'" Other sources had previously indicated that large sums of money would also be given directly to the CDR and other leftist groups. The Journal article went on to question the appropriateness of the NCC's use of funds collected from donors who thought they were helping to rebuild churches.

Cooling Down

New fires made headlines across the country in June and July, and the recently dispatched army of federal agents began to arrest suspects. One was a 13-year old white girl who claimed to be a Satanist. Another was a black man who had hoped to generate business for his brother's construction company. As it became clear to investigators that no widespread conspiracy connected the fires, the intensity of the media coverage began to lessen, and its tone became a shade more moderate. Most of the later reports suggested that those who burned churches appeared to have a variety of motives. In mid-August, two former Klansmen were convicted of two 1995 arsons. This revelation made national news for two or three days, but by September the media firestorm was essentially over.

By September 20, federal officials were able to report that 44 individuals had been charged with setting fire to black churches in the South, of whom 16 were themselves, black. Some, but by no means all of the 28 white suspects were believed to have been racially motivated. Nearly half of all the suspects were under the age of 18.

Conclusions

The truth of the matter appears to be that a very small number of black churches are burned each year by white racists, and that the rate has been relatively static. Prior to the publicity campaign, the number of racially motivated church arsons in the South, a region with a population of over 90 million, was probably less than 10 per year. By comparison, more than 620 buildings were burned during the 1992 Rodney King riots in Los Angeles alone. After those riots, in which over 50 people died, many on the political left had avoided placing blame on the rioters. The Rev. Jesse Jackson, for example, responded that America "must invest in hope, or pay the price of despair." In contrast, the church arsons were condemned without qualification or excuse all across the political spectrum.

So where does this leave us today? Since the overwhelming majority of news accounts presented the “wave of racist terror” as a fact, public belief is almost certainly high. The CDR, the NCC, and President Clinton have benefited politically, and the CDR and NCC have also reaped enormous financial rewards. The media has shown little interest in reviewing its handling of this topic. Overall, the church fire campaign was by any measure a success.

There is no shortage of groups willing to engage in scare campaigns, or of politicians willing to exploit them. We can expect to see more sensational claims, some of which will inevitably be picked up and amplified by the media. Their destructive impact can be limited if we take the following steps -- first, identify the bias of the source. Second, seek out the underlying facts. Third, stop supporting those who deal in disinformation.

Until these things are done, our differences and our fears will continue to be used against us.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Free Republic
KEYWORDS: cdr; churchfires; clinton; mediabias; ncc; race
This was my first FR post back in '98 -- in fact, I ran across FR while looking for a good place for this article -- but that thread has long since been devoured by the Troll of Inaccessibility.

Nearly six years later, the church fires disinformation campaign stands as an excellent example of leftist media tactics.

1 posted on 05/29/2002 6:17:12 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
Well done. And quite revealing re Gramscian/Leftist tactics.
2 posted on 05/29/2002 6:39:53 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Interesting Times
Didn't XLINTON also say that as a boy he would go and watch the black churches burn when it was proved NONE burned in his area at that time???????
3 posted on 05/29/2002 6:46:52 PM PDT by jaz.357
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To: jaz.357
Yep... it's in the article.
4 posted on 05/29/2002 7:09:55 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: BobJ;Diotima;The Shrew;RightOnline;Ms. AntiFeminazi;abner;skeet;ReaganGirl;Nick Danger...
A ping from the past...
5 posted on 05/29/2002 8:01:19 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
Still relevant. Only some of the names have changed.
6 posted on 05/29/2002 8:03:07 PM PDT by LurkerNoMore!
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To: JohnHuang2;Luis Gonzalez;Jeff Head
ping.
7 posted on 05/29/2002 8:03:19 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
Great post IT.

It's been a pleasure working with you and reading your stuff lo these many years.

Regards,

TS

8 posted on 05/29/2002 8:11:19 PM PDT by The Shrew
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To: Interesting Times
Wow. Impressive.

Worth another read. Or, in my case, a first read.

9 posted on 05/29/2002 8:17:50 PM PDT by abner
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To: The Shrew;abner
Thanks, guys.

I gave this to my minister, curious to see if he was at all bothered by the NCC bearing false witness for political and financial gain. He wasn't interested, except to caution me against posting it on the bulletin board. That, you see, would be 'divisive'.

10 posted on 05/29/2002 8:55:03 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
The relationship between the NCC churches and CDR predated Jones – for example, the United Methodist Church Board of Church and Society had been involved with the CDR for several years

Seems every time I read about the United Methodist Church anymore, they are embracing more and more liberal ideology. I'm about ready to drop UMC and become a Catholic. If my grandmother hadn't been such a rebel and left the Catholic church, I would be one now, I reckon.

11 posted on 05/29/2002 9:39:41 PM PDT by 3catsanadog
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To: Interesting Times
...caution me against posting it on the bulletin board. That, you see, would be 'divisive'...hmmm - I would have thought "divisive" was when you promulgated lies about groups having no involvement in outrageous activities and spread suspicion and fear where none was warranted; posting an article setting the record straight would be better described as "charitable" and "healing", it seems to me. This minister should return to the seminary for some brushup work.......
12 posted on 05/29/2002 10:04:47 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Intolerant in NJ
This minister should return to the seminary for some brushup work...

No help there.

Where do you think he learned that 'divisive' means 'opinions liberals dislike'?

13 posted on 05/29/2002 10:09:16 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
As a way of bumping this- and everyone should read it- I'll just mention that I really believe the 1990's will be remembered as "The Decade of Frauds..."
14 posted on 05/30/2002 2:22:03 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
I'll just mention that I really believe the 1990's will be remembered as "The Decade of Frauds..."

That's if we win.

Otherwise it'll be "The Decade of Enlightenment."

15 posted on 05/30/2002 6:32:14 AM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
Good point- some Editor at the Washington Times dubbed it "The Golden Age of Clinton..."
16 posted on 05/30/2002 6:39:36 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Good point- some Editor at the Washington Times dubbed it "The Golden Age of Clinton..."

The Times or the Post?

The Washington Times is conservative -- I'd expect to see that heading in the Post, aka "Pravda on the Potomac."

17 posted on 05/30/2002 7:59:14 AM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
It was written with bitter, acidic sarcasm... I actually have a piece of it saved in my "anti-clinton" scrapbook and it seems to be from the WSJ, and is a reprint from the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.... Excerpt:

...in the clintonoids' version of history, the .... economy was the worst in half a century till Bill and the FOB came to our rescue...

18 posted on 05/30/2002 9:01:54 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Sultan88
A bump to my friend in VA. Why can't our side tell the truth as well as the other side can tell a lie?
19 posted on 05/30/2002 9:12:42 AM PDT by AdSimp
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To: Administrative Simplification
Why can't our side tell the truth as well as the other side can tell a lie?

The bad guys own most of the opinion-forming apparatus: TV, movies, newspapers, education, church leadership, musicians, even cartoonists.

This is slowly changing (Rush, Fox News, the Net) but it takes time and effort to reverse decades of relentless propaganda.

20 posted on 05/30/2002 9:22:33 AM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: 3catsanadog
I'm about ready to drop UMC and become a Catholic

We opted out of the Lutheran Church to join the Roman Catholic Church. It was a radical decision as my family had been devout Lutherans for many generations. However, I could no longer tolerate the moral relativism infecting the Lutheran leadership. I think that much of it is being resisted by Lutheran congregations at the local level, but the ones in decision-making positions are continuously placing gay marriage, abortion, gay ordination, etc. on their agendas.

Even after the priest pederasty scandal, I am sure we made the right decision and pray that the Pope and leaders in the Vatican will demonstrate strength in opposing the attack by the left on The Church following the scandal.

Attend a mass, you will be glad you did. Catholicism holds all the spiritual, ritual, and symbolic beauty we longed and hoped for.

21 posted on 05/30/2002 11:04:38 AM PDT by PLK
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To: Interesting Times
...Where do you think he learned that 'divisive' means 'opinions liberals dislike'?...it's a topsy-turvy world for sure.....
22 posted on 05/30/2002 12:54:46 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Administrative Simplification
Why can't our side tell the truth as well as the other side can tell a lie?

Are you saying our side supports the burning of churches??

23 posted on 05/30/2002 6:22:43 PM PDT by sultan88
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24 posted on 05/30/2002 6:23:09 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: sultan88
Are you saying our side supports the burning of churches??

Can you say "bizarre and unjustified inductive leap"??

Knew you could.

25 posted on 05/31/2002 6:22:49 AM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
Actually I was asking if Administrative Simplification in Post 19 was making that "leap".
26 posted on 05/31/2002 7:34:15 AM PDT by sultan88
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To: sultan88; interesting times
Dear Friend Sultan;

I'll be kind and say that all I meant was, the conservatives act as though the truth can speak for itself, when really nowadays it needs the clearest and strongest defenders.

Our tendency to drop jaw when the other side promotes breathtaking and obvious lies is not serving us well.

27 posted on 05/31/2002 8:24:05 AM PDT by AdSimp
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To: Administrative Simplification
Our tendency to drop jaw when the other side promotes breathtaking and obvious lies is not serving us well.

True enough.

You'd think we would be used to it by now.

28 posted on 05/31/2002 8:41:14 AM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Administrative Simplification; interesting times
Our tendency to drop jaw when the other side promotes breathtaking and obvious lies is not serving us well.

Indeed. You are right on the mark there.

29 posted on 05/31/2002 10:26:15 AM PDT by sultan88
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To: Interesting Times
Bump!
30 posted on 05/31/2002 12:41:52 PM PDT by BubbaBasher
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To: BubbaBasher
Counter-bump.
31 posted on 05/31/2002 7:34:00 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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You'd think we would be used to it by now.

What I'll never get used to is the way unthinking leftists eat that stuff up. As Whittaker Chambers said once, "The false was cast in the image of the world's desire." These guys aren't living in the real world, and they seem to think that their mere say-so is enough to substitute their fantasy for reality. They've been fat, happy, and careless for a sight longer than is good for 'em.

9/11 was the wedge which cracked open the shell for many, but the greater number are no less proof against reality than they have always been against rationality. And even though I know it's coming, my jaw still drops when I see it. Wonder if civilization itself could survive the scale of calamity that it would finally take to sweep away such hard-shell obstinacy.

32 posted on 05/31/2002 10:27:46 PM PDT by thulldud
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Wonder iof civilization itself could survive the scale of calamity that it would finally take to sweep away such hard-shell obstinancy...

According to Scriptures, no...

the infowarrior

33 posted on 06/01/2002 10:52:15 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: 3catsanadog
Seems every time I read about the United Methodist Church anymore, they are embracing more and more liberal ideology.

Here's another good reason to leave the UMC:

11 October 1999



United Methodist General Board of Church and Society Opposes
Boy Scouts Anti-gay Policy


This is a statement of the General Board of Church and Society of The United Methodist Church, adopted by the Board October 10, 1999. The general board is directed to "speak its convictions, interpretation, and concerns to the Church and to the World."

Since its inception in 1910, over eighty-seven million youth and adults have joined the Boy Scouts of America. Churches sponsor 62 percent of Boy Scout troops, or 55 percent of all boys in scouting at all age levels. The United Methodist Church sponsors 11,738 units, accounting for 421,579 boys in scouting.

While the General Board of Church and Society would like to enthusiastically affirm and encourage this continuing partnership of the church and scouting, we cannot due to the Boy Scouts of America’s discrimination against gays. This discrimination conflicts with our Social Principles.

Link

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34 posted on 06/01/2002 3:20:46 PM PDT by JCG
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To: Interesting Times
Thanks for your great posts over the years.

The problem is that 95% of the mass media reports Democratic National Committee faxed press releases as breaking news. Fox News and the alternate media like Free Republic provide a balanced news outlet to an amazing small, albeit growing audience of individuals capable of independent thinking.

The the 1996 Church Fire Scare is one of many, many hoaxes and pseudo-crises from the left.

These hoaxes also include day care center abuse and Satanism charges, Alar-poisoned apples, the amazing disappearing (1992-2000) homeless crisis, and the current orchestrated campaign to destroy the Catholic priesthood.

35 posted on 06/01/2002 3:31:20 PM PDT by friendly
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You know, just imagine if the FBI under Clinton had been as zealous in going after real threats (i.e. Muslim terrorists), the 2,800 people who died in WTC/Pentagon attacks might still be alive.

This is more evidence that it is the left that is the ultimate domestic threat to our national survival. They have created a climate where the only group that can be vilified and "racially profiled" to prevent violence are whites, while potential Muslim terrorists cannot be profiled. Indeed, little in the culture makes it possible to even look with suspicion on anyone other than whites.

We've met the enemy--and we are them.

36 posted on 06/01/2002 3:43:59 PM PDT by twntaipan
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To: twntaipan
"(The Democrats) have created a climate where the only group that can be vilified and "racially profiled" to prevent violence are whites, while potential Muslim terrorists cannot be profiled."

Awesome insight.

37 posted on 06/01/2002 3:48:24 PM PDT by friendly
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To: friendly
Thanks for the kind words -- I see we joined FR just 4 days apart.

It's hard to believe five years ago I'd never heard of this place...

These hoaxes also include day care center abuse and Satanism charges, Alar-poisoned apples, the amazing disappearing (1992-2000) homeless crisis, and the current orchestrated campaign to destroy the Catholic priesthood.

Good list. The Reagan "ketchup as a vegetable" flap could also be added.

38 posted on 06/01/2002 4:20:14 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
"The Reagan "ketchup as a vegetable" flap could also be added."

Having just polished off some delicious soy "chicken" nuggets with some tasty sugar-free pure tomato ketchup, I can assure you that Reagan was on to something. Tomatoes are full of lycopenes, which are significant cancer inhibiting agents.

39 posted on 06/01/2002 4:27:07 PM PDT by friendly
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To: friendly
Having just polished off some delicious soy "chicken" nuggets with some tasty sugar-free pure tomato ketchup, I can assure you that Reagan was on to something. Tomatoes are full of lycopenes, which are significant cancer inhibiting agents.

Hmm. Hadn't thought of that approach.

I usually just ask any lefty who is sputtering with indignity over Reagan's cruelty to children if he or she really thinks Presidents make decisions personally about what goes where in school lunch programs. Then I ask what he thinks happened when the issue came to Reagan's attention. He won't know, so I tell him -- Reagan reversed the policy. So if Reagan didn't set the policy and reversed it when he found out, then what exactly, I ask, did Reagan do wrong? Generally at this point the lefty changes the subject, but if not, I inquire innocently if he knows that salsa was categorized as a vegetable in school lunch programs during the Clinton maladministration...

And of the rare individual who seems intelligent and open-minded, I ask this: how did you come to believe that this incident reflects badly on President Reagan when the facts obviously don't support it? This segues nicely into a discussion of media propaganda techniques...

40 posted on 06/01/2002 4:40:11 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
The Reagan "ketchup is a vegetable" flap is a classic Democrat-controlled media hoax.

Reagan of course had nothing to do with this trivial incident, which was blown up into some kind of crazed assault on children in the press reporting to the sheeple. The decision to classify ketchup as a school lunch vegetable was made by some minor passive-aggressive bureaucrat, most of whom are sc*mb*g beltway democrats anyway.

41 posted on 06/01/2002 4:45:23 PM PDT by friendly
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To: Interesting Times
So, you've tangled with that troll, too? I thought it was only me he enjoyed bedeviling. Thanks for the classic. See also Michael Fumento's great work, at Michael Fumento's Web Site
42 posted on 06/02/2002 12:01:38 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: mrustow
Thanks for the link -- Fumento is a heckuva science writer.

I will admit that for one jarring moment, I misread "Michael Fumento" as "Michael Rivero" but I'm okay now...

43 posted on 06/02/2002 6:49:05 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
Thank you for the research .... (AS I should have said before, has I read it before.) Which again shows why judicial "repeats" of stories the national news media skip are needed.
44 posted on 06/03/2002 1:50:27 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
You're quite welcome. And thanks for your own excellent work on ballot tampering in Florida...
45 posted on 06/03/2002 1:55:14 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
A 'back into time' bump...
46 posted on 12/03/2003 3:38:58 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

I’m bringing this one back in light of the new wave of “racist noose” sightings...


47 posted on 10/17/2007 9:28:48 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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