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LIMBAUGH RIPS BUSH WHITE HOUSE OVER GLOBAL WARMING 'FLIP-FLOP'
Drudge Report ^ | 6/3/02 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 06/03/2002 10:04:46 AM PDT by hchutch

Just the headline


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; drudge; limbaugh
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To: christine11
Bush plays the Clinton game. He tries to be on both sides of any tough issue. If he disagrees with this report he should not have let it out as is. His blaming of the bureaucracy smells of his excuses for not connecting the dots on 911.
1,281 posted on 06/04/2002 2:31:19 PM PDT by johnnyb93
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To: johnnyb93; christine11
The gist of this reply probably has been posted elsewhere, but I can't weigh through 1200+ posts.

What really galls me is the way he distanced himself from the issue by blaming it on some nameless bureaucracy. That is called quibbling where I come from, and it stinks. He had no problem naming Iran, Iraq, and N. Korea as the axis of evil. Why can't he be as specific about domestic issues.

It's way past time to name names and kick ass.

1,282 posted on 06/04/2002 2:43:13 PM PDT by VMI70
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To: johnnyb93
You will be happy to hand over your freedom

Right............whatever you say, johnny. I can just feel my freedom flying out the window. No freedom to speak. No freedom to worship. No freedom at all........and all because George W. Bush is my President.

Sheeeeeeshhhh!!! This guy belongs in the tinfoil Hall of Fame!!

1,283 posted on 06/04/2002 2:44:49 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: VMI70
It's way past time to name names and kick ass.

yes, it is way past time.

this is a quote from sabertooth on another thread which i think cuts through the bull and is the bottom line:

"I'm taking this one at face value unless I see specific info otherwise. Which means Bush needs to get watchdogs in place at the bureaucracies so that situations like this don't happen."

1,284 posted on 06/04/2002 2:54:52 PM PDT by christine
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
I listened to Rush today because I had a flu bug and was unable to move anyway. lol Today, he was making logical points instead of acting like Bush did something to him personally. Maybe the steroids have given him mood swings and when he's having one, he rants without thinking first.

I support President Bush because he is a Christian man, he's an objective man. It's the wrong time to say that Bush has flipped flopped. I don't see that he has on the big issues. Let's face it. We have this war on terrorism and he "hasn't sold out" as he's been accused of.

He doesn't have high approval ratings because he's a bad president. For the big picture, I think he's got that covered. Of course, real right wingers will never be satisfied. By the way, we can't forget that the armed services respect this Commander In Chief too.

I don't understand what the Farm Bill was about at all but, so what about global warming. Don't scientists always agree to disagree? Whenever Dubya agrees to disagree, he gets flamed. Makes no sense to me. Is he not allowed to change his mind - ever? Regards, FV

1,285 posted on 06/04/2002 3:40:32 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: Howlin
don't you just hate this "the sky is falling crowd?"
1,286 posted on 06/04/2002 4:02:39 PM PDT by ruoflaw
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To: Sci Fi Guy
He has committed himself to advancing major parts of the conservative agenda i.e. tax cuts, conservative judges, missle defense, privatize Social Security, etc.

His tax cuts were a pittance in relation to the major spending programs he has signed onto.

As for appointing conservative judges and privatizing social security, how many conservative judges have been confirmed, and what concrete steps have been taken toward privatizing social security? Talk is cheap. Doing the legwork to see both become reality requires commitment and stamina.

As far as missile defense is concerned, pulling out of the ABM treaty was a step in the right direction. Now let’s watch and see how many more steps in the right direction he takes, post ABM. The senate armed forces committee is determined to cut missile defense funding for 2003. Bush cannot capitulate on this. The PAC-3 antimissile system, and the sea-based and ground-based missile intercept programs desperately require additional funding and need to be continued (especially in light of Iran and North Korea spending billions every year developing long-range weapons). This is not the time to cut funding for such programs (as if there ever were such a time). Bush has never been in a better position to press for a well-funded missile defense program (and his new pact with Russia should silence those poised to label him a hawk). If the President doesn’t make the most of his current popularity in order to sufficiently fund missile defense (senate foot-draggers notwithstanding), he has betrayed his conservative base in the worst way possible….where national security is at risk.

Bush is so desperate to regain control of the senate that he is willing to sign many bad bills, in order to deny the democrats issues.

A certain amount of compromise is necessary in order to be an effective leader, but not when compromise includes signing bad legislation so as to deny public opinion ammunition to one’s ideological enemies. That is called surrendering (no matter how temporarily, or seemingly insignificantly) to the political and media information manipulators/propagandists. It amounts to allowing himself (and the people who elected him) to fall victim to ideological extortion. Not the kind of strength of character one seeks in the leader of the free world. (When he was in kindergarten, do you suppose he maintained a steady diet of insects because the playground bullies warned him, ‘Eat that bug or I’ll tell everyone your mother wears army boots.’?) I, for one, am not into insect eating….especially when those seeking to feed them to me are leftists.

Bush is trying so hard to set a high standard of Presidential behavior (to repair the damage that Clinton has done) that he is failing to engage in the politics necessary to advance the conservative agenda.

I’m scratchin’ my head here. Are you offering this explanation in the President’s defense? Do you think a President should devote one iota of his time or energy making mental comparisons (and hoping that others will, as well) between himself and his predecessor (no matter the vermin-like nature of the man who occupied the oval office before him)? A man of character will be recognized as such without having to focus on exhibiting it for public consumption. Among a myriad of other things, Ronald Reagan taught us that.

1,287 posted on 06/04/2002 6:30:10 PM PDT by joanie-f
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To: floriduh voter
For someone with the flu-you make a lot of sense ! Of course,someone will say your support of Bush is because you are delirious with fever-LOL!!
1,288 posted on 06/04/2002 6:36:40 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: fightinJAG
Rush could have made one phone call yesterday and the whole blow up, would have been quelled. A man of decency and honor, would have apologized to the wartime Commander in Chief for equating him to Algore and making a buffonish caricature of the President on his website. During wartime, when many are putting their lives at risk, in ways that will never be known,when thousands are already dead,to ridicule the Commander in Chief in such a way,speaks volumes about the character of Rush Limbaugh.
1,289 posted on 06/04/2002 6:58:15 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: ruoflaw
I'm rather enjoying them today, friend. :-)
1,290 posted on 06/04/2002 7:24:55 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
During wartime, when many are putting their lives at risk, in ways that will never be known,when thousands are already dead,to ridicule the Commander in Chief in such a way,speaks volumes about the character of Rush Limbaugh.

Using your logic, the best way for any President to avoid criticism is to make sure the country is always at war. Without opposition/criticism, they can have dictatorial power. You might like that with Bush in the White House, but you won't like with Hillary or her ilk in power. You may want to reconsider your position about when citizens are allowed to criticize their President.

1,291 posted on 06/04/2002 7:34:13 PM PDT by BillofRights
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Well, I'm no bull rider so I got thrown off a while back on the trail with CFR. But like today, the President coming out and disassociating himself as he ridiculed the EPA's assessment that we the little people are responsible for the global warming, his administration is also suing CFR.

So who knows what the heck is going on. I always thought Clinton tried to ride his horse in two different directions but President Bush clearly has shown he is quite adept at this maneuver and seems the American people like his fancy horsemanship.

I am one of them. I do support our President, I genuinely like, trust and respect him. I find his very broad and encompassing political posture extremely interesting as he seems to get a lot of people on both sides really stymied, including me. Perhaps, that is good strategery.

1,292 posted on 06/04/2002 7:37:18 PM PDT by harpo11
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To: fightinJAG
"...if Rush let that characterization slip without commenting that saying Bush is like Algore is ridiculous, you can see why people are attributing the comment to him. That's not an innocuous statement, one a person just overlooks or allows to stand unless one agrees with it."

I cannot recall exactly how Rush responded to the e-mail, but I know for a fact that Rush doesn't equate Dubyuh with Algore. Still, this Triangulation Strategy does make one wonder how much more spending Algore would have gotten away with than Dubyuh has. Federal spending is projected to increase 15% over Dubyuh's two years in office...that, IMHO, is indefensible!! If Algore had won and proposed the same increase, the GOP would rightfully be up in arms over the irresponsible expenditures...shouldn't conservatives demand some accountability from our own as well?!

FReegards...MUD

1,293 posted on 06/04/2002 8:43:13 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: eureka!
No mid-course correction to date on amnesty for illegals.
1,294 posted on 06/04/2002 8:48:11 PM PDT by gabby hayes
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To: Landru
"The man has 4 years to show us what he's got; period. MY next vote will be based on the sum of the (his) parts; &, not some instantaneous value."

I agree wholeheartedly; however, how will we stop the bleeding in the Fall of '04 if all we have to defend is record Federal expansion? We're supposed to be the Party of limited Federal Guv'ment, but Dubyuh's seemingly ready to sign off on every spending boondoggle that comes down the pike!! Sure, I like Dubyuh and still somehow believe he's innately conservative, but his willingness to buy into the Left's agenda doesn't warrant the 90% approval rating he's getting from the GOP these days. It's high time a few more of our voices on the Right were heard in opposition to this approach before it's too late to change course. The Right will never win a spending contest with the Left and to consider even trying is pure folly on our part, IMHO.

"I'll just bide my time & see what this man Bush is really up to. I shall make my judgement based upon the results *I* can actually measure for myself. Certainly not what some sleezy, slimey Liberal-Socialist 'Rat sycophant bloodsucker who's embedded at an even more dispicable Liberal-Socialist RAG like the Slimes tells me is going on, thank you."

Fair 'nuff, my FRiend, and I certainly wouldn't believe the NY Slimes as far as I could throw their fat-assed editorial board. Still, the concerns Rush and other conservatives are raising about Dubyuh's willingness to abandon conservative principles in favor of ethereal mid-term polling popularity need proper airing and consideration. The Fall's campaign should be based on telling the American people how the GOP's winning back the Senate and increasing our lead in the House will reign in the Federal Leviathan and return us to a form of Federal government more in keeping of that which our Founding Father's envisioned when they penned the Constitution. Otherwise, I fear Dubyuh and the GOP will learn all too late that the enthusiasm of the Right's base will have been dampened irreparably come November '02 and '04.

That would be an unforgivable shame...MUD

1,295 posted on 06/04/2002 8:58:24 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: BillofRights
I am an avid reader. I read lots of Ayn Rand books and because I deal with lots of case law and I'm familar with how the IRS operates as I do understand many issues pertaining to their unlawful existence. Note that at the time the Federal Reserve was created around 1913, our federal courts were created in 1909 which makes the federal reserve and the federal courts private enclaves because neither entities are constitutional. Our true constitutional courts exist in the State Supreme Courts and the U.S. Supreme Courts.

I think the next thing that ought to be challenged for the sake of true common law practice in the Supreme Courts is the flag with the yellow fringe. Because of this flag, the constitution is exercised at the courts discretion as people are now finding out. This flag is a commander in chief flag and actually symbolizes an army on the march. Next time you visit any federal court house, look outside and observe the plate designs as one reads "War Office" which is above the entrance door. BTW, the military flag has been seen in Catholic churches and in the local courts as well. We are enemies of the court. That is a true fact that all federal judges know and they also know the true meaning of the flag with the fringe as they are taught such symbols in judge school in Reno Nevada.

1,296 posted on 06/04/2002 9:01:29 PM PDT by goldilucky
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To: joanie-f
"It's about time we all started whining (and preferably loudly and long), because those who hold the federal (executive, legislative, and judicial) reins in this country are not listening to those of us who know what their power is supposed to entail (and where it should end). Not only are they not performing that relatively small list of services which they are called to do, but they are, instead, doing all manner of things which they are forbidden to do by the very document which serves as their blueprint."

Hear hear!! Very well said, my FRiend.

"This country is desperately in need of Reagan-esque leadership (the kind that places America first, and governs based on right rather than politically correct, or politically expedient, decision making). Such leadership is not forthcoming from G. W. Bush."

The pity is I absolutely believe Dubyuh is capable of the kind of leadership we seek. Somehow, though, I sense he's being misled by advisors who would willingly sell conservative principles down the river in exchange for a couple points bump in the polls. Long-term, I think Dubyuh and the GOP could do major damage to their credibility with the Party's base.

"The man is preaching conservative governance, and then supporting or signing every unconstitutional/pork-laden/liberty-destroying/dollar-hungry bill that is brought to his attention or laid upon his desk. Not one veto since taking office a year and a half ago. Not one."

IMHO, Dubyuh is "preaching conservative governance" because deep down he believes in conservative governance. However, perhaps an effort to retain universal support for our War on Terrorism, he seems willing to take the Right's base for granted will attempting to "broaden his support" supporting pork-spending legislation that he never would have supported were we not locked in the battle with Islamic Radicals. Just like when Reagan abandoned domestic fiscal conservatism to obtain the military support to win the Cold War, Dubyuh's deal-making will be used against him by the same RATS he aims to appease.

The "whining" of Fiscal Conservatives needs to be appreciated by the Bush Administration as the CONSTRUCTIVE Criticism it is...we're not trying to undermine Dubyuh's success, we're trying to save him and the GOP from the Milquetoast Moderate wing of the Party that wouldn't know Conservative Principles if they bit them on the behind!!

FReegards...MUD

1,297 posted on 06/04/2002 9:12:24 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: rwfromkansas
"Read the report. Rush is wrong."

Sounds like it was Dubyuh who felt the need to disavow the Report instead of disavowing Rush.

FReegards...MUD

1,298 posted on 06/04/2002 9:13:58 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: rintense
"Dreamin's good, but Action's BETTER!!"

"Oh I've done my share, trust me."

I trust you have and I am sure we will be battling shoulder-to-shoulder in support of shared principles in the future as well.

FReegards...MUD

1,299 posted on 06/04/2002 9:16:05 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: OldFriend
"The entire story of this report is being revealed......may I expect an apology from you?"

Sounds like Dubyuh's distancing himself from this report that was released by "the Bureaucracy." Good for him, and good for Rush for highlighting the inanity of ceding the argument about the very existence of Global Warming to the Leftist Enviro-Nazis. I'm not sure how that would entail my apologizing to you, though, OldFriend.

"BTW, how many times has a story hit the front page about the President, such as BUSH KNEW? How many times has this been proven to be a gross misrepresentation?"

Often.

"How many times will you believe the Washington comPost and the New York Slimes before you admit that they are enjoying our hysterics."

How and when have I believed the Compost or Slimes?! I reject almost everything they print due to their Leftist spin. As for our "hysterics," do you not believe the GOP needs to air these concerns with what Dubyuh's "bureaucracy" puts out?! I have read a whole lot of scientific proof that indicates that Global Warming is not, in fact, occuring...and if any is, human activity is far from the primary cause. It appears that Dubyuh thinks along the same lines, but many below him would have us believe differently.

"I am beginning to suspect that the media's plan is to totally discredit the conservative talk show hosts.......and IMHO they are having great success with the help of those same hosts."

I guess we simply disagree that Rush is discrediting himself in pointing out the Bush Administration's Triangulation Strategy. I believe a limited Federal Government is Right on its own merits and we ought to be making the sale of this philosophy to the Sheeple, not acquiescing to the Left's Agenda in an ill-fated attempt to win over voters who mistakenly believe otherwise.

FReegards...MUD

1,300 posted on 06/04/2002 9:28:38 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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