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"Today, those who stand for freedom, justice, the rule of law, self-government and the moral principles of the Bible are not part of "the establishment." We're the rebels. By the world's standards, we're the renegades."

i could add a few names that we've been called: whackos, malcontents, disrupters, tinfoilers, conspiracy theorists, bushbashers, blame america firsters....

1 posted on 06/13/2002 8:27:39 AM PDT by christine
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i could add a few names that we've been called: whackos, malcontents, disrupters, tinfoilers, conspiracy theorists, bushbashers, blame america firsters...."

I've been called most of those names, but based on your profile page, I'd say that that puts me in good company.

57 posted on 06/13/2002 11:55:03 AM PDT by Badray
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When leaders, given limited power and specific authority to conduct public affairs according to a morally and ethically based, religiously inspired foundational document (the US Constitution), utterly abandon it and exercise unlimted power and general authority withour regard to the very laws by which they derive their authority; the social contract between the citizens and their "representatives" prohibiting political change via force of arms and popular revolution is severed. In short, when political change has been made impossible through the ballot box, the only recourse for political redress is by direct means and methods not unlike what Colonial America was forced to turn to in the first place. With the state of the nation now so fractured and chaotic, and the rule of law so meaningless and twisted, I see no alternative option to restoring the original intent of the government than to force its reformation by direct means.
63 posted on 06/13/2002 12:39:38 PM PDT by rebelsoldier
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71 posted on 06/13/2002 6:17:10 PM PDT by WIMom
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To practice self-government again, we must have a people capable of self-government.

Bump

73 posted on 06/14/2002 6:18:52 PM PDT by JZoback
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Why I'm not a conservative...

Now you've gone and done it, you rebel rouser.

75 posted on 06/14/2002 6:26:47 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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For the most part, I agree with what he is saying. However, he is certainly not the first to say it. In fact, Whittaker Chambers said much of the same thing in his autobiography, Witness. They are good words, but they need to be applied carefully.

Specifically, I don't think that slowing the destruction of our society is always a bad thing. If we can't turn the tide in the right direction, slowing the descent is not a bad thing. The typical mindless argument against it is the boiling frog analogy, but this argument is silly. People are not frogs. Their political choices are not based on reflex but on evaluation of their situation. The problem we have is that they are evaluating the situation wrongly. I expand this idea at We Are Not Frogs.

An example of a great American president who typified this approach was Abe Lincoln and his approach to slavery. President Lincoln was a full-fledged moderate on slavery. He thought that it would be better to buy the slaves and free them than to go to war over the issue. He promised that slavery would not be hindered in the South in any way while he was president. His only action against slavery was that he wouldn't let it expand into the territories.

As a result of this stance, Mr. Lincoln was disliked by most of the anti-slavery movement. They thought that he wasn't sufficiently committed to the cause. They thought he was weak and indecisive. However, John Brown didn't free any slaves, and most people have never heard of most of the other members of this movement. In fact, neither Brown nor most of the others could have held the country together and ended slavery as well as Mr. Lincoln did.

I'm the first to criticize President Bush when he says or does something stupid. There's nothing wrong with criticizing an idea or action because it is the wrong action to take. However, the generalization that he (or anyone else) won't accomplish good things because he is "conservative" in the sense of not being radical enough is wrong.

WFTR
Bill

80 posted on 06/14/2002 9:34:37 PM PDT by WFTR
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Excellent article!!!

redrock--Radical Constitutionalist

81 posted on 06/14/2002 9:53:57 PM PDT by redrock
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It takes more than a "conservative" vision to lead the way back to freedom.

How true that is, Joseph Farah hit it on the head. That's why I call myself a "Constitutionalist" not a conservative.

85 posted on 06/14/2002 10:20:43 PM PDT by danmar
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It was posted here first.
96 posted on 06/15/2002 1:00:57 PM PDT by Boxsford
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Farah is onto something here but since he doesn't go far enough to articulate it, let me do it for him (You're welcome.)

He hits on the paralyzing paradox of today's conservatives. Revolutionaries, yes. Reluctant ones. But at the same time conservative, abhoring revolutionary change. The end effect is the paralysis and the absurdity he notes of wanting to preserve something that's already lost. Time to wake up and smell the latte FReepers. We are all, or most of us, old fashioned dissidents longing for truly revolutionary change.

The political sides in this conflict have long assumed comfortable positions, the Left are the revolutionaries and the Right are the guardians of the old. Except that as Farah notes there is no old to guard and the reveolution is now the Establishment. Note the poses of the Clintonites when in power. They were the establishment and yet they were posing, quite successfully at that, as dissidents. And we, many of us, played along. It's time to subvert the dominant paradigm, I say.

101 posted on 06/15/2002 8:11:19 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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Great post and too true.
105 posted on 06/15/2002 9:35:17 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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Good points but, what to do?
120 posted on 06/16/2002 7:05:13 AM PDT by thepitts
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If thousands and thousands of us would join the Constitutional Party, do you think the current administration would get the message and try to win us back by implementing more conservative policies?
121 posted on 06/16/2002 8:06:10 AM PDT by Lucky
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Cross linking to Farah's followup, "Why I'm Not A Libertarian"
148 posted on 06/18/2002 8:19:40 AM PDT by Dales
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