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Home Depot stops doing business with federal government (even cash!)
Saint Louis Today ^ | June 16, 2002

Posted on 06/16/2002 11:29:08 AM PDT by John Jorsett

Edited on 05/11/2004 5:33:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: anniegetyourgun
States do set their own speed limits and blood alcohol limits, but they do so with great coercion from the federal government. If the states do not agree with the feds demands, they will lose a lot of federal highway money.
261 posted on 06/17/2002 8:27:04 AM PDT by TheCPA
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To: Lessismore
Home Depot can't afford to sell a $15 hammer to the USG for $15. USG hammers cost $100s or $1000s once the paperwork is done.

When the US Gov uses an IMPAC card to buy a $15 dollar hammer from anyone, it costs $15. Period. The vendor processes the IMPAC card the same as it would any other Visa.

262 posted on 06/17/2002 8:30:43 AM PDT by TankerKC
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To: hopespringseternal
It is an accounting gimmick

Not at all. They're using your money for free instead of paying interest charges. The business world is full of SOB's like this if you let them get away with it.

263 posted on 06/17/2002 8:35:49 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: JBCiejka
The strange part about it is they won't even take cash.

So, who are the owners of home depot? Has the ownership changed recently? Who else are they doing business with? Where does their merchandise come from?

"Focus" is one thing, but to refuse to sell a hammer or a bucket of paint to customers outside of "focus" is plain bizarre - they can't even sell an item to a private citizen if they suspect it would be used by the feds. Something is going on here.

264 posted on 06/17/2002 8:39:46 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Joe Hadenuf
re: your post #254

Great post.

I am with Home Depot all the way here. If they have the guts to tell big government to go drop dead, I gotta love it. It sounds like they are pre-emptively stopping all the "Civil Rights Division" mice from getting into mischief at their expense. Think I'll go over to Home Depot today and buy a few things.

265 posted on 06/17/2002 8:43:51 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: CJ Wolf
Oh yes! My hubby said that the 14.4 is very powerful, and enough to twist any screw in half very easily.
266 posted on 06/17/2002 8:49:20 AM PDT by Barbara14
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To: Cachelot
"Focus" is one thing, but to refuse to sell a hammer or a bucket of paint to customers outside of "focus" is plain bizarre - they can't even sell an item to a private citizen if they suspect it would be used by the feds. Something is going on here.

Nah, they just want to be sure that their show is fully staged. They need to be able to say in court that they did all they reasonably could in order to NOT do business with the federal government. They aren't going to worry about "suspecting" what somebody does - - the guidelines keep things pretty simple and straightforward. No government credit cards, no delivery to government addresses, and no written records which would indicate government addresses, payments, or uses of purchased materials.

267 posted on 06/17/2002 8:49:31 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: glm
"I will be reminded of the nasty citizens we have had to smile at and speak politely too. I will have the last laugh. "

and all of it paid for by taxes on your fellow Americans. I hope you're kids are proud of you.

268 posted on 06/17/2002 8:49:42 AM PDT by Lloyd227
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To: TankerKC; Lessismore
When the US Gov uses an IMPAC card to buy a $15 dollar hammer from anyone, it costs $15. Period. The vendor processes the IMPAC card the same as it would any other Visa.

The ignorance of many is coming through on this. TankerKC you are exactly correct - the IMPAC card looks just like any other VISA and is processed exactly the same. If Home Despot is not going to take that VISA than why should they take mine? They won't because as a Vietnam Veteran I will go to Lowes or better yet take my business to a locally owned "mom and pop" store.

269 posted on 06/17/2002 8:50:44 AM PDT by SLB
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To: handk
By the way, it's "rententive".

Actually, it's "retentive":

1) anal-retentive. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
...Psychology Indicating personality traits, such as meticulousness, avarice, and obstinacy, originating in habits, attitudes, or values associated with infantile pleasure...

2) retentive. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
...2. Having the ability or capacity to retain knowledge or information with ease: a retentive memory. re·tentive·ly -ADVERBre·tentive·ness -NOUN...

3) retentivity. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
...1a. The quality or state of being retentive. b. Capacity or power of retaining. 2. Physics The capacity for a body to remain magnetized after the magnetizing field...

PS: In a battle of wits, don't show up unarmed. Moron.

Ahem.... ;)).

270 posted on 06/17/2002 8:55:17 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Alissa
Your argument doesn't hold water! They said they are not taking gov't credit cards. The vendor is paid immediately by the credit card company, there is no waiting involved.

I wasn't talking about Home Depot's policy.

271 posted on 06/17/2002 9:03:39 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Lancey Howard
The Govt has used IMPAC cards for years now and I certainly haven't seen any instance of attempts to influence a company's policies because of a transaction. I've used Govt cards since 1997 at a variety of stores throughout the US. Maybe we needed a printer and it was cheaper to go to Best Buy rather then through GSA. If so, you take the IMPAC card to Best Buy and save taxpayer's money while getting a good product immediately. You can replay that scenario thousands of times at thousands of local vendors with just the military and our day-to-day needs. READ local vendor here folks supporting local jobs by decentralizing the buying process. We spend those dollars, that will be spent no matter what, and help people keep their jobs. To stiffle that process is beyond common sense. There are strict purchase rules, and we do get audited, but I can say I feel comfortable being a good steward of the taxpayer's dollars. I can't see a valid reason to shut us out of HD. I can only see being discriminated against because we're part of the Government. That could delay purchases and maybe drive prices higher, or worse if homeland security is affected. Count me in for cancelling my personal HD credit card and shopping at Lowes.
272 posted on 06/17/2002 9:12:46 AM PDT by JohnnyPecs
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To: TheCPA
I went to Home Depot to look for light switches that had some pictures/designs on them, for my newly painted rooms, and found the exact same ones I had seen in Walmart's. Home Depot charged $1.00 more! I went back to Walmart's and bought the ones I wanted. So, I check other places first and then go to the big distributors. I did find the porcelain knobs I was looking for at Home Depot and was glad of that. It's always a good idea to check prices. I don't buy a lot of stuff at BJ's wholesale club that I can buy cheaper elsewhere, even if it's a lot of fun to shop there.
273 posted on 06/17/2002 9:18:36 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: SoCal Pubbie
I have a theory about that, people in CA being friendlier. IMHO, and I could be wrong. BUT, I find that the further south one goes, the friendler the people. I think it's because of the warm weather. Up here in the frosty north, people don't tend to be as friendly as those in warmer climates. I know sunshine affects my moods a lot. Around here we're second to Seattle for dark and dreary days.
274 posted on 06/17/2002 9:24:58 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: Paulus Invictus
I am sure it varies from location to location, but here in the Raleigh/Cary/Apex area of NC, HD has far superior lumber compared to Lowes. When ever I need lumber, I go to HD.

I also find the local HD has a far superior gardening and outdoor product selection compared to the local Lowes.

275 posted on 06/17/2002 9:25:21 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Lloyd227
Why don't you go live in Somolia -- I don't believe there are any Government workers there.
276 posted on 06/17/2002 9:47:30 AM PDT by glm
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To: John Jorsett
I wonder if Home Depot is running into the same types of requirements with the government as Home Depot requires its' vendors to do. I know first-hand of a company that is similar to ours that went bankrupt within 1 year of getting into Home Depot in the Northwest. This company was over 90 years old and when they got the Home Depot contract it required so much more investment and production time that this company was unable to keep up with the Home Depot stores while at the same time neglecting its' own customer base. Never mind the fact that Home Depot charges the vendor 110% for defective products. That's why they have such a liberal return policy. They make more money on returns than they do on the sale.

I suspect the federal government probably had a whole list of requirements for Home Depot to meet and they probably decided that they didn't want to meet them (as is their perogative). I have no love lost for Home Depot and I suspect they may have been subject to some of their own medicine. We do business with some federal agencies because we have some products they can't get anywhere else in a timely fashion so we are able to circumvent some of the requirements. But it's nice because they always pay with their credit card. No waiting for the usual 60 day payment term.

277 posted on 06/17/2002 10:09:21 AM PDT by LoneGOPinCT
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To: John Jorsett
WONDERFUL

It's about time big business grew a set and started standing up to the government and making them feel the pain of stupid laws and regulations.

So9

278 posted on 06/17/2002 10:23:49 AM PDT by Servant of the Nine
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To: John Jorsett
From Dow Jones Newswire, 5:43 AM EDT :

Home Depot Clarifies Position On Doing Business With Federal Government

ATLANTA -(Dow Jones)- Home Depot Inc. (HD) issued a press release early Monday morning clarifying its position on doing business with the government, prompted by a newspaper story that said the home improvement retailer won't sell to the government.

Home Depot didn't say the St. Louis Post-Dispatch article was inaccurate, and didn't return phone calls or a page in the early hours of Monday morning. No one could be reached at the newsroom of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch overnight as well.

Home Depot stated that it has always maintained a policy of not being a federal government contractor. The company said it made the decision years ago due to "administrative and systems requirements."

Home Depot said it will continue to monitor the situation and could decide to change its policy at some point in the future.

The newspaper story, picked up by the Associated Press and Dow Jones Business News, said it checked with 38 Home Depot stores in 11 states and all but two said they recently received instructions from corporate headquarters not to take government credit cards, purchase orders or cash if the items are being used by the federal government.

Home Depot spokesman Tom Gray told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch for its story that this policy wasn't new. "Home Depot is not and does not plan to become a federal contractor or subcontractor." he said.

In its press release, Home Depot said it "takes compliance very seriously," said "since we have never been a federally approved contractor, our intent was to re-state our existing policy for our stores and associates and remind them of their responsibilities in complying with related rules."

Home Depot shares, listed on the New York Stock Exchange, closed Friday at $ 36.98, down 92 cents or 2.4%, on volume of 11.8 million shares.

Company Web site http://www.homedepot.com/

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So this appears to be a non-story, in the sense that HD claims to have taken their no-biz-with-the-guvmint position for a long time. HD's internal memos probably came about because of evidence that stores may have inadvertently been doing biz with the feds in violation of previously stated policy, and therefore might get sucked into the regulatory quagmire they are trying to avoid. The St. Louis Compost Dispatch didn't do enough legwork to determine whether the policy was old news or new news (typical).

I AM surprised that HD has been able to have such a policy for years without harrassment from the alphabet soup agencies (OSHA, EPA, EEOC, etc.).

279 posted on 06/17/2002 10:33:42 AM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: Servant of the Nine
I asked my brother, who is in management at HD, about this and here's what he said:

A number of years ago, an associate in an HD store signed a government contract under which HD lost several hundred thousand dollars in complying with. At that time, employees were told not to deal with government purchases. They had to make a bright line rule, so the associates understood that under no circumstances were they authorized to deal with government contracts.

Recently, after the 9/11 attacks occurred, HD became concerned about delivery trucks being sabotaged en route to deliveries at federal facilities (and the incumbent liabilities therefor), hence the prohibition on CASH purchases that require delivery to federal properties. However, HD has a subsidiary company that deals with sensitive deliveries.

280 posted on 06/17/2002 10:38:30 AM PDT by Boatlawyer
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