'Pride' of suicide attacker's mother

BBC ^ | 6/18/02 | Orla Guerin

[MVV]

Tuesday, 18 June, 2002, 10:15 GMT 11:15 UK

'Pride' of suicide attacker's mother

Naima: "This is the best day of my life"

By Orla Guerin BBC Middle East correspondent

In Gaza, the mother of a Palestinian suicide attacker who killed two Israelis before being shot dead has spoken of her feelings about her son's actions.

A video released by Hamas shows a proud mother taking up arms beside her favourite son.

We believe our sons go to heaven when they are martyred... when [Jewish] sons die they go to hell

Naima al-Obeid

First a warm embrace, then a loving kiss.

Naima al-Obeid was saying goodbye to her 23-year-old Mahmoud, a college student on his way to carry out a suicide attack.

"God willing you will succeed," she says.

"May every bullet hit its target, and may God give you martyrdom. This is the best day of my life."

Mahmoud says: "Thank you for raising me."

Naima got her wish.

Mahmoud was shot dead attacking the Jewish settlement of Dugit in the Gaza Strip on Saturday.

Deaths celebrated

Two Israeli soldiers were killed in the ambush.

Their deaths are being celebrated near Mahmoud's home.

Obeid killed two Israelis before being shot dead

We found crowds coming to the mourning tent - and not just because of him.

People here aren't just remembering Mahmoud - they are honouring his mother.

She has become a heroine, being talked about on the streets, praised in the local papers.

Some Palestinians are taking a great deal of pride in a mother who saw her son go to kill and die without shedding a tear.

They are already saying she will inspire other women to do the same.

Heaven and hell

In her home, in Gaza, she showed me pictures of the son she calls "my heart".

She had no sympathy for the dead Israelis, no regrets over the loss of her own son.

"Nobody wants their son to be killed. I always wanted him to have a good life.

"But our land is occupied by the Israelis. We're sacrificing our sons to get our freedom," she told me.

I asked her if it mattered whether her son killed women and children.

"The women and children are also Jews," she said, "They're all the same for me.

"And I want to tell Jewish mothers - take your children and run from here because you will never be safe. We believe our sons go to heaven when they are martyred. When your sons die they go to hell."

Naima is surrounded by well-wishers, no one asking why she gave her son a licence to kill.

She has nine more children, whom, she says, all have a duty to fight the Israeli occupation.

[MVV]

This is unbelievable but not surprising at all. These people bred hated! I can't believe her brazenness!

My heart goes out to all the innocent Israelis that were yet again murdered, I hear there were school children on their way to school and people on their way to work.

[Bommer]

Israel needs to nuke that b!tchs' house!

[ladtx]

...23-year-old Mahmoud, a college student ...

A college student? Why bother going to college? Being a martyr doesn't take much education.

[StriperSniper]

How many times must it be said, if there is nothing better than being killed by ones enemies, let's make them ALL very happy.

[ladtx]

Naima al-Obeid...

Oh yeah, the breeder for murderers.

[DoughtyOne]

I saw one of the bombers families on television today. All the relatives and friends were mourning the bomber and celebrating the deaths. All I could think of was a five hundred pound bomb and how to get it there the quickest. These are sick _____ people.

[Semper Paratus]

She's hoping for a big payday but word is Arafat's pocketing all the martyr money coming in.

[My Identity]

Sow the Wind; Reap the Whirlwind!

Thanks to TomGuy for much of the above.

MORAL CLARITY
An honorable, moral solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Isn't the only honorable way to "solve" the Arab-Israeli conflict through the use "ethnic cleansing?" (And by that term I mean the polite, but forceful removal of all 3 million Pali from Eretz Yisrael -- which is not "genocide", as some on the Left misuse the term.) Let me explain.

The current wave of "suicide" bombers (a misnomer, since their primary goal is not suicide but the mass murder of civilians) is unprecedented and unrelenting. But it should not be unexpected. It is the direct (and obviously planned) result of brainwashing that started with Pali children as young as kindergarteners. Look at the faces of the babies in the pictures above. What vomitous horror - visiting this upon their heads. What unspeakable evil.

The Palestinian descent into barbarism does not have some dimly-lit origin. These suicidal homicidal-bombers are not some unforseen phenomenom that sprung forth from the "hopelessness" of the populace (as the PA "leaders" would have us believe). They are part and parcel of the war machine created by the PA to wreak systematic havoc on Israel. Someone paid to have the Pali youth trained -- or more accurately, brainwashed -- in "martyrdom". Someone paid to have the explosives acquired and the bombs made. Someone paid to have surveillance put on weak spots in Israeli defenses. Someone paid to have these weapons stored and then distributed to the homicidal-bombers. Someone paid to have videotapes made of the bombers' farewell messages. Someone paid to have these homicidal-bombers transported across security lines. Someone paid to have the deeds of the homicidal-bombers favorably publicized. Someone paid the family tens of thousands of dollars specifically for the "martyrdom" of their children. And, as we are now learning, those paymasters include Yassir Arafat, Saddam Hussein and the Saudi elite.

The PA has not been preparing its people for peace, but radicalizing them for the sole purpose of destroying Israel. The PA has appointed militant clerics who preach hate and "martyrdom". By doing so, they have knowingly turned this into a religious war, one in which compromise is heretical. And in doing so, the Palestinians have rejected the Oslo premise that the conflict is about borders, about which compromise is required. Indeed, as Henry Kissinger has noted:

In reality, the number of Palestinian leaders... who want peace in the Western sense -- as a point after which the world lives free of tensions with a consciousness of reconciliation -- is minuscule. The fundamental schism is between those who want to bring about the destruction of Israel by continuing the present struggle, and those who believe that an agreement now would be a better strategy to rally forces for the ultimate showdown later on.

The result of Arafat's strategy of hatred is now known: Pali society cannot co-exist in peace with Israel. Recent polls tell the story clearly. Over 87% of the Palis support the murder of Israeli men, women, and children, even babies. Given these numbers and the underlying religious fervor, there is NO POSSIBILITY of a negotiated settlement that would be honored by the Palis within their lifetime. Arafat has filled the Palis with visceral hate to prepare them for unrelenting war. He has brainwashed an entire generation of youngsters to become terror-bombers. He has unleashed almost 10 years of official "judeo-nazi" indoctrination on the Pali people. Arafat has committed crimes not only against the entire populace of Israel, but against Palestinians and their children as well. Truly, these are Crimes against Humanity.

Current conditions make ethnic cleansing not only justified, but morally required. As antithetical as it sounds to liberal ears, ethnic cleansing is literally the only humane solution. To pursue a negotiated settlement is akin to locking a tiger and a human with a gun in the same cage. Assign the roles to whomever you wish, but the result is the same. Someone in the cage is eventually going to be killed, maybe both.

The world community's role in this to date has been to create this inhumane spectacle, this caged, semitic death match. The world community's response going forward ought to be the equivalent of an "Allied invasion of Nazi Germany" because nothing less will suffice to rid the world of this monstrosity. Eject all Arab peoples from Gaza and the West Bank (because once you remove the terrorists, their supporters and their families, virtually nobody is left). Then round up the PA "leaders" (including "clerics" and "teachers"), and put them on trial for their Crimes against Humanity. If they are found guilty, hang them in public.

And to the extent that this PA policy was conducted, funded, supported, promoted, or otherwise enabled by their Arab bretheren (notably Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia) then it is incumbent upon these countries to pay for their sins by taking in the Palis. Arabs created this mess. Let Arabs bear the toll for the human misery they created.

Even Tom Friedman of the New York Times has come around, finally grasping the global ramifications of Arafat's evil:

"...all they [the Palestinian leaders] can agree on is what they want to destroy, not what they want to build... Let's be very clear: Palestinians have adopted suicide bombing as a strategic choice... This threatens all civilization because if suicide bombing is allowed to work in Israel, then, like hijacking and airplane bombing, it will be copied and will eventually lead to a bomber... with a nuclear device threatening entire nations."

What is needed is the elimination of this cancer on humanity. End it quickly before more innocent lives are lost. End it now or it will escalate to Weapons of Mass Destruction. End it clearly and with finality so that there is absolutely NO ambiguity that Western civilization finds this abhorent. If nothing else, as a sop to liberal sensibilities, end it for the children. Moral clarity demands nothing less.


Ruh Roh!
It looks like this idea is picking up some steam!

GOP leader: Palis should move to unsettled Arab lands http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/676826/posts Dick Armey: Israel should expel West Bank Palis

Human Rights Watch http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/677338/posts Calls suicide attacks a Crime Against Humanity

I know! Instead of "Ethnic Cleansing" let's call it "Repatriation".
Doesn't that sound better? Let's help the Palis go home, back to Egypt and Jordan.

[ppaul]

That AK-toting half-wit (the son) probably beat the hell out of her everyday.
She was glad to get rid of him, and get a little spending money from the Saudis and Saddam to boot.

[xJones]

They're crazy and evil. If the mother thought the cause was so right, why didn't she strap on a bomb and do it herself, before sending her son out? This is not a conventional war, she could have. This is the spirit of Molech, the god of child sacrifice. They have no love for their children.

[KC_Conspirator]

The only education this filthy animal got was when he went to bomb making school.

[MJM59]

These are one bunch of effed-up people.

[texasbluebell]

This is the result of his disgusting act. It's just so heartbreaking. Their brother was 22 years old. And now 17 more funerals today.

Siblings of Israeli soldier Yehezkel Haim Gutman mourn during his funeral in the military cemetery in Beit El June 16, 2002. Gutman was one of two soldiers killed yesterday near the Jewish settlement of Dugit during an encounter with armed Palestinians. REUTERS/Gil Cohen Magen

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Appy, you called it:

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To: goldstategop

Just remember. Right now, Palestinians are celebrating and telling the mother of the bomber that her child is a hero. They are now making a replica of the bomber's face to go on a "necklace of martyrs". A picture of the bomber is going up in Palestinian homes.

6 posted on 6/18/02 7:24 AM Eastern by AppyPappy
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[Constitutional Patriot]

These miscreants must all be killed. All of them.

[NilesJo]

"But our land is occupied by the Israelis. We're sacrificing our sons to get our freedom," she told me.

Stated in a slightly different manner, "Given a choice of a couple of square meters of dirt OR my son alive, I'll go with the dirt!"

I have nothing but contempt for such despicable human beings.

[DoughtyOne]

These bombings will continue until Israel starts killing all known family members of the attackers. I hate to say this, but since the families celebrate their attrocities, I guess they're nothing less than accomplices.

When the Hezballah state that they did it, I'd take out known leaders of their org as well. When some idiot praises the suicide bombers in public, I'd take them out too.

All sympathizers of this type of activity would become live targets until the bombing stopped.

I'd also set a deadline. After X date, every leader on the West Bank will be considered a valid target after suicide bombings.

Enough is enough!

[antivenom]

The bombing of Japan "straightened" out the Japanese...just take out Mecca...you will have their undivided attention...the PEACEFUL Islamists will take care of the radical murderers.

[TexasRepublic]

Why the grieving public in Israel doesn't declare open season on the Pali's and their culture of murder is beyond me -- how many more innocent civilians must die before there is an overwhelming backlash? If such bombings happened here, the trees would soon bear strange fruit.

[Isadora Duncan]

These bombings will continue until Israel starts killing all known family members of the attackers. I hate to say this, but since the families celebrate their attrocities, I guess they're nothing less than accomplices.

They're cowards. Listening to Fox the other night with the interview of the Arab psychiatrist talking about the rapture these young people were told they would attain at the moment of explosion, I could only marvel at how cowardly these people are. If it's such a wonderful experience, if it's the epiphany of their life, then why aren't they out there clamoring to strap TNT around their own waists? In fact, why have any of them managed to live past 21, in their zeal for serving Allah? Are they Allah unbelievers who don't want to attain this "wonderful" experience but only desire it for these young people they've conned?

They're evil, craven, dastardly, yellowbellied cowards.

[Dogbert41]

These same Palestinians for days after 9-11, were celebrating in the streets. I personally felt satisfaction and joy when the Israelis went into their towns and made them cry. I certainly will look forward to seeing more of their crocidile tears in front of the cameras the upcoming days when Israel takes her revenge.

[yianni]

...greedy, stupid, homely, delusional brood mare (note equine dentition/mandible).

[DoughtyOne]

When the Palis gave the Jordanian government problems, they kicked their asses out of Jordan. Israel, what's holding you back?

[DoughtyOne]

Well, we knew that when they started bombing innocent civilians, especially the old ladies and kids. These are the behaviors of lower life forms.

[EdoTerglav]

What makes me angry is that Bush and the State Department still don't get it. They want to give in to these savage subhuman beasts and grant them the eastern half of Israel as a "state". Total war to destroy the Palestinian people is the only solution. Anything less will lead to more of the same. I don't understand how Israeli's continue to do NOTHING in response to thousands of terror attacks.

[Mat_Helm]

Kick all of the palestinians out of Israel and into Syria.

[VOA]

I personally felt satisfaction and joy when the Israelis went into their towns and made them cry.

The crying is OK...as long as they soon attain a body temperature matching ambient temperature.

I keep trying to find the "good Palestinians"...but it's a search in vain...just like
for "moderate Muslims" (except in a few pockets like Turkey)

[VOA]

We believe our sons go to heaven when they are martyred...
when [Jewish] sons die they go to hell

If they have "hate speech" codes in Palestine...they must be something like
"If you don't have something hateful to say about Jews, make something up!"

[VOA]

Israel needs to nuke that b!tchs' house!

At this moment I have absolutely no problem with my tax dollars being used
to assist the IDF in purchase of aerial surveillance drones and Hellfire missles.

And for any new advanced surgical-strike weapons in the future, such as the
smart bombs that claim we'll soon have a 200 pound bomb that can do just about
as much damage as our current 2,000 pound bombs.

Technology...sometimes it's a VERY GOOD THING.
As we found out on two occassions in August of 1945.

[kstewskis]

Their deaths are being celebrated near Mahmoud's home.

And Satan is very pleased.

These Palestine women must be sterilized. Lives depend on it.

[1Old Pro]

Hmmmm, once again I wonder if killing the families of suicide bombers would be a deterrent.

[1Old Pro]

These bombings will continue until Israel starts killing all known family members of the attackers. I hate to say this, but since the families celebrate their attrocities, I guess they're nothing less than accomplices.

Yep, if they are paid, and they usually are, they are accomplices. At the very least they should be jailed for life.

[AmericanInTokyo]

The American people (based to some extent on seeing the growing sentiments here on FR) are waking up to the true face of Our Enemy of the 21st Century.

It is not 'terrorism' per se (that is too vague and subjective of a politically correct, acceptable and harmless term that avoids 'offending' our sense of 'diversity'). No, the Enemy is :

RADICAL FUNDAMENTAL ISLAMISTS

(Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaida, al-Quinoon.... you name it)

Now that we know who they are and what their unyielding intent is, we need to go on the offensive and annihilate not negotiate. Any and all who support their barbarian actions should likewise we put down.

[rageaholic]

What a pity that Sharon is not the Hitler the arabs try to make him out to be. Gassing this subhumanoid female and her Pali ilk would be a service to humanity. Turning the entire Middle east into Israeli Lebensraum would end poverty there and save the USA billions in economic aid that we foolishly give to this worthless scum.

The Palis can thank their pathetic little god allah that I am not the Fuhrer of Israel. No one would speak of Hitler anymore because he would look like a boy scout compared to me.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Annihilating the FAMILIES of Radical Islamist Terrorists and leveling their Arabic hometowns, is probably the ONLY tactic that will yank their chains, that will freeze their nuts, that will grind their gears. Then, perhaps, they will back off and stop.

In their suicidal psychosis, either their threatened arrest or death is STILL not a deterrent. Sad to say but I am coming to this conclusion.

Gee, now I know how Truman must have felt about having to involve the civilians down in Hiroshima and Nagasaki just to deliver the death knell to the Japanese Military. But he had little choice. Sad it has to come to this perhaps.

[KentuckyWoman]

We're sacrificing our sons to get our freedom,

Quit honestly, words fail me. I cannot imagine how any woman, after having carried a life inside of her and raising it to manhood could conceivably condone, let alone promote, this type of action. If she cares nothing for the Israelis, you'd at least think about losing her own son. She is lower-than-dirt. A filthy woman that makes me ashamed to be a woman. A filthy pond-scum excuse for a human. A no-good breeder of murders that should have been sterilized at birth! -- gee, maybe words don't fail me after all. All who think/believe as this 'woman' does should be immediatly incinerated in a real (nuclear) holocaust before they have a chance to breed and raise more murders.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Or, we or Israel can continue to take the 'Guantanamo Bay-ACLU' approach.

We lost Vietnam because we failed to fight our enemy as they fought us. We are making the same mistake. Call it our Western, Judeo-Christian benevolent naivety. But it may well be the downfall for Israel and ourselves, considering the immoral, totally worthless scum we are up all against now.

[mc5cents]

the PEACEFUL Islamists

That sir, is an oxymoron.

[rageaholic]

A college student?

Islamic studies. Not a real college but a human bomb factory.

[philosofy123]

We have a big problem on our hand. Too much emotion, and hate prevents us from seeing clear as what we can do to combat this lunacy.

First, these crazy people keep killing themselves, one after the other. Their families are happy for their death because “our friend”, Saudi Arabia is giving them lots of money!

Second, the hate propaganda machine is going full blast at all Moslem countries. It is fully supported by ALL these Moslem governments! The campaign is very successful in recruiting martyrs. The underground network which is afforded full support from ALL Moslem governments is also very successful in smuggling plastic explosives to the terrorists. The explosive materials purchased from the west under legal governmental contracts. What in the heck are we going to do about that?

We are up against a killer bees nest, that is multiplying faster than we can even detect where they are coming from. In the mean time, we are burdened by our legal system, the liberals, the constitution, the international code of conducts. So is there anything that we can do?

Yes, but it requires honest talk to heads of states. No diplomatic threat! Just plain threat: We catch another terrorist from Saudi Arabia, and we will kill the King and his family! Let the king worry about controlling his subjects, and stop financing cells of terrors around the globe in the name of Islam? Or we catch a terrorist from Egypt, and we will kill the Egyptian president, his defense minister, and the grand mufti of El Azhar?

As you know, little people don’t know crap in these third world countries. It is their western educated intellectuals, and government leaders who are indirectly pulling the strings. Therefore, if we posed the threat directly to the people in control, we may start to get results.

On parallel, we must also give them a carrot, along with the stick. We should offer an immediate recognition of a Palestinian state in the current West Bank, and Gaza. That does not take much! In addition a time-line to dismantling of some of the Jewish settlements. And a promise to discuss returning some of the lands in the near future after this mess is is quieted down!

The longer we look the other way. The longer we think that we are going to bomb these angry people to submission, the more we are going to extend the suffering of the innocent Israeli civilians.

[rageaholic]

Some Palestinians are taking a great deal of pride in a mother who saw her son go to kill and die without shedding a tear.

Subhuman beast as islamic mother figure. I am not surprised. Meanwhile many Euroweenies continue to champion their cause, this surprises me.

[AmericanInTokyo]

It might take a targeted, covert effort such as you suggest. Dangling a few carrots all while hitting mercilessly with sticks after find the best pressure points.

We are kind of tripping around the dark, tripping over our _____s if you ask me, diplomatically and politically speaking.

[rageaholic]

We are kind of tripping around the dark, tripping over our _____s

The Government overvalues relations with the Saudi Royals. Its all about their oil. What the Govt seems to forget is the Saudis need our money more than we need their oil. If we got tough with them, they'd blink first.

[Savage Beast]

"We believe our sons go to heaven when they are martyred. When your sons die they go to hell."

Naima's in for a hell of a surprise.

"may God give you martyrdom"

In the world of Islam, Dr. Kevorkian's time has come.

Judging from Naima and her ambitions, the entire Islamic World is destinied to retire the Darwin Award Trophy.

"This is the best day of my life."

Yes. You people are having a blast.

Keep dishing out this kind of crap, and the rest of the world's gonna give you fools a hell of a lot more martyrdom than you've asked for.

The patience of the people of the world is growing thin--very thin.

[DBtoo]

The Palestinians don't want to go to Syria, Jordon or anywhere else, and the Jordanians and Syrians don't want them either. The Palestinians want to stay in Israel so they can continue killing Jews. That is their sole purpose in life.

[DBtoo]

I don't think killing their families will stop them; as long as they exist, I don't think ANYTHING will stop them!!

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

She acts proud for the media but is really thinking of a now cheaper monthly food bill and $25,000.

[Dajjal]

A note on standard Muslim theology:

When someone dies, the soul is held in abeyance until the Last Day, the Day of Judgment, when the good and evil acts of each man and woman who has ever lived are made known to all, and weighed, to determine whether the individual will enter Paradise of be confined to Hell.

But ... if someone dies a martyr, then there is no waiting. His soul immediately enters Paradise to enjoy the 100 virgins (70 maidens and 30 beautiful boys).

[MVV]

FYI!

[floriduh voter]

Someone please explain to me why we always are told who the "homocide bomber" is but we never know the names of the victims. If our news media would wise up, they'd quit aiding and abetting the bombers by telling us their name and showing us their personal effects and even their bedrooms. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

I'd rather know the names of the victims that I CARE about, not any hamas or hezbullah nut jobs. So mom's little shack was probably paid off and she has a little spending money now. STOP GIVING THE BOMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES PUBLICITY, NEWS MEDIA! IT'S HELPING THEIR CAUSE...